Toyota in the news again

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu][quote=svelte]Toyota has found the source of the breaking springs…contaminants in the metal:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/06/report-lexus-knew-of-valve-spring-defects-three-years-ago/

So the solution they choose? It’s not removing the contaminants from the process…it’s to install bigger springs![/quote]

You know svelte. I’m just going to be like a waiting hawk here. After GM IPO’s, and after GM screws up (again, which they will)… I’m going to be laughing my ass off…. again…..
[/quote]

I never said GM was a golden child, so I’m not sure why you’ll be laughing.

My point has always been that Toyota is not the golden child that so many have believed!

As for the DOT finding that most of the sudden acceleration issues are driver error, well then that begs another question.

Since Toyota’s sudden acceleration rate is higher than many other companies, does that suggest Toyota drivers have, shall we say, poorer motor skills than average?[/quote]

I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.[/quote]

You said it better than I could, flu and this “witch hunt” cost Toyota billions, which they will probably have to end up passing onto the consumer somehow. I DO think they can recover from all this, though.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST and good night!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.[/quote]

You said it better than I could, flu and this “witch hunt” cost Toyota billions, which they will probably have to end up passing onto the consumer somehow. I DO think they can recover from all this, though.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST and good night!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.[/quote]

You said it better than I could, flu and this “witch hunt” cost Toyota billions, which they will probably have to end up passing onto the consumer somehow. I DO think they can recover from all this, though.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST and good night!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.[/quote]

You said it better than I could, flu and this “witch hunt” cost Toyota billions, which they will probably have to end up passing onto the consumer somehow. I DO think they can recover from all this, though.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST and good night!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.[/quote]

You said it better than I could, flu and this “witch hunt” cost Toyota billions, which they will probably have to end up passing onto the consumer somehow. I DO think they can recover from all this, though.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST and good night!

[svelte]

It is not as cut-and-dried as saying the spike in Toyota Unintended Acceleration (UA) is completely due to driver error and ambulance chasers.

Toyota/Lexus UA complaint rate by model year:
1990 0.4
1991 0.4
1992 1.1
1993 1.1
1994 0.7
1995 1.2
1996 1.5
1997 2.1
1998 5.1
1999 4.8
2000 6.8
2001 6.8
2002 15.7
2003 14.9
2004 14.9
2005 12.3
2006 9.7
2007 15.2
2008 6.8
2009 7.5

Clearly Toyota’s UA complaints jumped starting with the 2002 model year. If Toyota UA was totally due to ambulance chasers and driver error, then there should not be the spike beginning in 2002.

Absolutely a few of the current reports are ambulance chasers and probably even more are people who legitimately think it is Toyota’s fault instead of their foot on the wrong pedal.

But Toyota clearly has some sort of problem starting in their 2002 models, according to the above data taken from:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nhtsa-data-dive-2-ua-rates-1990-2009-by-manufacturer-updated-with-new-charts/#more-347666

(ps – read the user comments there…it states Toyota converted to electronic throttle starting in 2002/2003)

[svelte]

It is not as cut-and-dried as saying the spike in Toyota Unintended Acceleration (UA) is completely due to driver error and ambulance chasers.

Toyota/Lexus UA complaint rate by model year:
1990 0.4
1991 0.4
1992 1.1
1993 1.1
1994 0.7
1995 1.2
1996 1.5
1997 2.1
1998 5.1
1999 4.8
2000 6.8
2001 6.8
2002 15.7
2003 14.9
2004 14.9
2005 12.3
2006 9.7
2007 15.2
2008 6.8
2009 7.5

Clearly Toyota’s UA complaints jumped starting with the 2002 model year. If Toyota UA was totally due to ambulance chasers and driver error, then there should not be the spike beginning in 2002.

Absolutely a few of the current reports are ambulance chasers and probably even more are people who legitimately think it is Toyota’s fault instead of their foot on the wrong pedal.

But Toyota clearly has some sort of problem starting in their 2002 models, according to the above data taken from:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nhtsa-data-dive-2-ua-rates-1990-2009-by-manufacturer-updated-with-new-charts/#more-347666

(ps – read the user comments there…it states Toyota converted to electronic throttle starting in 2002/2003)

[svelte]

It is not as cut-and-dried as saying the spike in Toyota Unintended Acceleration (UA) is completely due to driver error and ambulance chasers.

Toyota/Lexus UA complaint rate by model year:
1990 0.4
1991 0.4
1992 1.1
1993 1.1
1994 0.7
1995 1.2
1996 1.5
1997 2.1
1998 5.1
1999 4.8
2000 6.8
2001 6.8
2002 15.7
2003 14.9
2004 14.9
2005 12.3
2006 9.7
2007 15.2
2008 6.8
2009 7.5

Clearly Toyota’s UA complaints jumped starting with the 2002 model year. If Toyota UA was totally due to ambulance chasers and driver error, then there should not be the spike beginning in 2002.

Absolutely a few of the current reports are ambulance chasers and probably even more are people who legitimately think it is Toyota’s fault instead of their foot on the wrong pedal.

But Toyota clearly has some sort of problem starting in their 2002 models, according to the above data taken from:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nhtsa-data-dive-2-ua-rates-1990-2009-by-manufacturer-updated-with-new-charts/#more-347666

(ps – read the user comments there…it states Toyota converted to electronic throttle starting in 2002/2003)

[svelte]

It is not as cut-and-dried as saying the spike in Toyota Unintended Acceleration (UA) is completely due to driver error and ambulance chasers.

Toyota/Lexus UA complaint rate by model year:
1990 0.4
1991 0.4
1992 1.1
1993 1.1
1994 0.7
1995 1.2
1996 1.5
1997 2.1
1998 5.1
1999 4.8
2000 6.8
2001 6.8
2002 15.7
2003 14.9
2004 14.9
2005 12.3
2006 9.7
2007 15.2
2008 6.8
2009 7.5

Clearly Toyota’s UA complaints jumped starting with the 2002 model year. If Toyota UA was totally due to ambulance chasers and driver error, then there should not be the spike beginning in 2002.

Absolutely a few of the current reports are ambulance chasers and probably even more are people who legitimately think it is Toyota’s fault instead of their foot on the wrong pedal.

But Toyota clearly has some sort of problem starting in their 2002 models, according to the above data taken from:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nhtsa-data-dive-2-ua-rates-1990-2009-by-manufacturer-updated-with-new-charts/#more-347666

(ps – read the user comments there…it states Toyota converted to electronic throttle starting in 2002/2003)

[svelte]

It is not as cut-and-dried as saying the spike in Toyota Unintended Acceleration (UA) is completely due to driver error and ambulance chasers.

Toyota/Lexus UA complaint rate by model year:
1990 0.4
1991 0.4
1992 1.1
1993 1.1
1994 0.7
1995 1.2
1996 1.5
1997 2.1
1998 5.1
1999 4.8
2000 6.8
2001 6.8
2002 15.7
2003 14.9
2004 14.9
2005 12.3
2006 9.7
2007 15.2
2008 6.8
2009 7.5

Clearly Toyota’s UA complaints jumped starting with the 2002 model year. If Toyota UA was totally due to ambulance chasers and driver error, then there should not be the spike beginning in 2002.

Absolutely a few of the current reports are ambulance chasers and probably even more are people who legitimately think it is Toyota’s fault instead of their foot on the wrong pedal.

But Toyota clearly has some sort of problem starting in their 2002 models, according to the above data taken from:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nhtsa-data-dive-2-ua-rates-1990-2009-by-manufacturer-updated-with-new-charts/#more-347666

(ps – read the user comments there…it states Toyota converted to electronic throttle starting in 2002/2003)

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