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October 10, 2008 at 7:08 AM #285287October 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM #285089CascaParticipant
Amen John.
The disconcerting thing with all of these youngster Obamalytes is that we’re reaping the whirlwind of their historical and cultural ignorance planted by forty years of the Left/Democrats controlling education from top to bottom.
It’s not what they don’t know. It’s what they know that just isn’t true
October 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM #285379CascaParticipantAmen John.
The disconcerting thing with all of these youngster Obamalytes is that we’re reaping the whirlwind of their historical and cultural ignorance planted by forty years of the Left/Democrats controlling education from top to bottom.
It’s not what they don’t know. It’s what they know that just isn’t true
October 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM #285401CascaParticipantAmen John.
The disconcerting thing with all of these youngster Obamalytes is that we’re reaping the whirlwind of their historical and cultural ignorance planted by forty years of the Left/Democrats controlling education from top to bottom.
It’s not what they don’t know. It’s what they know that just isn’t true
October 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM #285422CascaParticipantAmen John.
The disconcerting thing with all of these youngster Obamalytes is that we’re reaping the whirlwind of their historical and cultural ignorance planted by forty years of the Left/Democrats controlling education from top to bottom.
It’s not what they don’t know. It’s what they know that just isn’t true
October 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM #285432CascaParticipantAmen John.
The disconcerting thing with all of these youngster Obamalytes is that we’re reaping the whirlwind of their historical and cultural ignorance planted by forty years of the Left/Democrats controlling education from top to bottom.
It’s not what they don’t know. It’s what they know that just isn’t true
October 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM #285109RaybyrnesParticipantMy father is a civil servant. I think the statements being ushered are true of any organization. There are some producers and some lazy farts.
My father struggled when beaurocrats tried to prevent him from doing his job. He already had a pension so he said screw them and went over there heads. Can do that when you are 60 and have climbed to the top of the ladder in one government organization. Net result is he saved the state of New York over a billion dollars. SHould see it in the papers in January 2009.
Not everyone is lazy but the system discourages any sense of entrepreneurialism.
October 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM #285399RaybyrnesParticipantMy father is a civil servant. I think the statements being ushered are true of any organization. There are some producers and some lazy farts.
My father struggled when beaurocrats tried to prevent him from doing his job. He already had a pension so he said screw them and went over there heads. Can do that when you are 60 and have climbed to the top of the ladder in one government organization. Net result is he saved the state of New York over a billion dollars. SHould see it in the papers in January 2009.
Not everyone is lazy but the system discourages any sense of entrepreneurialism.
October 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM #285421RaybyrnesParticipantMy father is a civil servant. I think the statements being ushered are true of any organization. There are some producers and some lazy farts.
My father struggled when beaurocrats tried to prevent him from doing his job. He already had a pension so he said screw them and went over there heads. Can do that when you are 60 and have climbed to the top of the ladder in one government organization. Net result is he saved the state of New York over a billion dollars. SHould see it in the papers in January 2009.
Not everyone is lazy but the system discourages any sense of entrepreneurialism.
October 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM #285443RaybyrnesParticipantMy father is a civil servant. I think the statements being ushered are true of any organization. There are some producers and some lazy farts.
My father struggled when beaurocrats tried to prevent him from doing his job. He already had a pension so he said screw them and went over there heads. Can do that when you are 60 and have climbed to the top of the ladder in one government organization. Net result is he saved the state of New York over a billion dollars. SHould see it in the papers in January 2009.
Not everyone is lazy but the system discourages any sense of entrepreneurialism.
October 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM #285452RaybyrnesParticipantMy father is a civil servant. I think the statements being ushered are true of any organization. There are some producers and some lazy farts.
My father struggled when beaurocrats tried to prevent him from doing his job. He already had a pension so he said screw them and went over there heads. Can do that when you are 60 and have climbed to the top of the ladder in one government organization. Net result is he saved the state of New York over a billion dollars. SHould see it in the papers in January 2009.
Not everyone is lazy but the system discourages any sense of entrepreneurialism.
October 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM #285179DWCAPParticipant[quote=CA renter]
-Oversight of public employees is standardized, more thorough, and has provisions which help minimize nepotism and favoritism, giving superior employees greater ability to move to more responsible positons. Nothing is perfect, and one can certainly take issue with some seniority clauses, but overall, it’s much more likely to reward better and more efficient employees.[/quote]
I am glad you can atleast achnoledge this point. I have a close friend who works in the Bay area in city gov. She is supper smart, very dedicated, and organized to a fault.
Now she works in gov and is moving through the ranks. Problem is, her bosses keep trying to promote her and the union keeps stoping it because she isnt senior enough. They once had to promote someone who wasnt qualified or ready (according to her) because she hadnt been in her current position for over 6 months and so couldnt be promoted. That is pathetic. She is a minority, a she, not really a looker in ANY way, and an introvert more than an extrovert. She isnt charming the pants off anyone with anything other than the quality of her work, but the union doesnt like it because it makes everyone else there feel bad and look bad. THat is pathetic, and not a system where the employees are sure to be the best. Most of the best ones leave because they can make so much more busting their ass for private industry. Unfornatatley for her, Gov controls what she loves to do.
(I cant wait for the “I got promoted out of the Union” party. Gonna be a knockout!)
October 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM #285470DWCAPParticipant[quote=CA renter]
-Oversight of public employees is standardized, more thorough, and has provisions which help minimize nepotism and favoritism, giving superior employees greater ability to move to more responsible positons. Nothing is perfect, and one can certainly take issue with some seniority clauses, but overall, it’s much more likely to reward better and more efficient employees.[/quote]
I am glad you can atleast achnoledge this point. I have a close friend who works in the Bay area in city gov. She is supper smart, very dedicated, and organized to a fault.
Now she works in gov and is moving through the ranks. Problem is, her bosses keep trying to promote her and the union keeps stoping it because she isnt senior enough. They once had to promote someone who wasnt qualified or ready (according to her) because she hadnt been in her current position for over 6 months and so couldnt be promoted. That is pathetic. She is a minority, a she, not really a looker in ANY way, and an introvert more than an extrovert. She isnt charming the pants off anyone with anything other than the quality of her work, but the union doesnt like it because it makes everyone else there feel bad and look bad. THat is pathetic, and not a system where the employees are sure to be the best. Most of the best ones leave because they can make so much more busting their ass for private industry. Unfornatatley for her, Gov controls what she loves to do.
(I cant wait for the “I got promoted out of the Union” party. Gonna be a knockout!)
October 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM #285491DWCAPParticipant[quote=CA renter]
-Oversight of public employees is standardized, more thorough, and has provisions which help minimize nepotism and favoritism, giving superior employees greater ability to move to more responsible positons. Nothing is perfect, and one can certainly take issue with some seniority clauses, but overall, it’s much more likely to reward better and more efficient employees.[/quote]
I am glad you can atleast achnoledge this point. I have a close friend who works in the Bay area in city gov. She is supper smart, very dedicated, and organized to a fault.
Now she works in gov and is moving through the ranks. Problem is, her bosses keep trying to promote her and the union keeps stoping it because she isnt senior enough. They once had to promote someone who wasnt qualified or ready (according to her) because she hadnt been in her current position for over 6 months and so couldnt be promoted. That is pathetic. She is a minority, a she, not really a looker in ANY way, and an introvert more than an extrovert. She isnt charming the pants off anyone with anything other than the quality of her work, but the union doesnt like it because it makes everyone else there feel bad and look bad. THat is pathetic, and not a system where the employees are sure to be the best. Most of the best ones leave because they can make so much more busting their ass for private industry. Unfornatatley for her, Gov controls what she loves to do.
(I cant wait for the “I got promoted out of the Union” party. Gonna be a knockout!)
October 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM #285513DWCAPParticipant[quote=CA renter]
-Oversight of public employees is standardized, more thorough, and has provisions which help minimize nepotism and favoritism, giving superior employees greater ability to move to more responsible positons. Nothing is perfect, and one can certainly take issue with some seniority clauses, but overall, it’s much more likely to reward better and more efficient employees.[/quote]
I am glad you can atleast achnoledge this point. I have a close friend who works in the Bay area in city gov. She is supper smart, very dedicated, and organized to a fault.
Now she works in gov and is moving through the ranks. Problem is, her bosses keep trying to promote her and the union keeps stoping it because she isnt senior enough. They once had to promote someone who wasnt qualified or ready (according to her) because she hadnt been in her current position for over 6 months and so couldnt be promoted. That is pathetic. She is a minority, a she, not really a looker in ANY way, and an introvert more than an extrovert. She isnt charming the pants off anyone with anything other than the quality of her work, but the union doesnt like it because it makes everyone else there feel bad and look bad. THat is pathetic, and not a system where the employees are sure to be the best. Most of the best ones leave because they can make so much more busting their ass for private industry. Unfornatatley for her, Gov controls what she loves to do.
(I cant wait for the “I got promoted out of the Union” party. Gonna be a knockout!)
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