Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai

[Rt.66]

So many Americans are just too thick to get it.

Look at the post by snail. So someone lurks and finally decides to jump into the conversation just to say they will buy a Hyundai out of spite? Wonderful. And what do you mean “advertise the blog”? We can’t read your mind.

Oni Korsohi, you are just ignorant, period. Probably a staunch import buyer and blinded to reality. All along the BIG 3 US auto makers have made stellar cars. You could have done a little research in any given year and found a great US built car from the big three to meet your needs.

You are right that some US models were better than others, but isn’t the same true for Toyota and Nissan? Duh! Look into the introduction of the Tundra pick-up. Had that been a US truck introduced and sold with such flaws it may have crippled an American company.

But people forgive and forget when it comes to their imports. Search Prius problems and you will discover that Toyota’s flag-ship of the future has some issues, some really serious issues. http://www.google.com/search?q=prius+problems&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYA How many pages are there?

Do you hear about those Prius problems? Now that you know (assuming you clicked the link) do you wonder why such things are not commonly talked about?

Unintended Acceleration killed Audi in this country for 20 years, Toyota seems to be blessed with a nationwide forgiveness policy. http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/problems-with-prius.aspx?googleid=263684

It was national news with Audi, why not with Toyota?

Oh, and our car manufacturing industry is not “ flawed system” as you call it. Again advertising your ignorance or spite. Read the thread maybe you’ll notice links and tests and comparisons and nationally respected quality surveys that prove your ignorance.

We build great cars and trucks. Your irrational hatred for American vehicles does not change that fact.

[blahblahblah]

Rt.66 I’m afraid you’re not going to change any minds here. This country is toast. The tent cities in my neighborhood grow by the day and now there are children in them (I’ve lived here 8 years and never seen that before). The people here will blame George Bush, they’ll blame Al Gore, they’ll blame Republicans and Democrats and conservatives and liberals and illegal immigrants and hippies and anyone else they can think of, but they will never blame the man in the mirror… (A little shout out to our fallen homie MJ there. Hee heeeeee!)

We are heading straight to the bottom. The lifeboats left some time ago and only us numbskulls are left on the tilting deck, arguing about who’s stateroom is better and who got the best price on the ticket.

[blahblahblah]

Rt.66 I’m afraid you’re not going to change any minds here. This country is toast. The tent cities in my neighborhood grow by the day and now there are children in them (I’ve lived here 8 years and never seen that before). The people here will blame George Bush, they’ll blame Al Gore, they’ll blame Republicans and Democrats and conservatives and liberals and illegal immigrants and hippies and anyone else they can think of, but they will never blame the man in the mirror… (A little shout out to our fallen homie MJ there. Hee heeeeee!)

We are heading straight to the bottom. The lifeboats left some time ago and only us numbskulls are left on the tilting deck, arguing about who’s stateroom is better and who got the best price on the ticket.

[blahblahblah]

Rt.66 I’m afraid you’re not going to change any minds here. This country is toast. The tent cities in my neighborhood grow by the day and now there are children in them (I’ve lived here 8 years and never seen that before). The people here will blame George Bush, they’ll blame Al Gore, they’ll blame Republicans and Democrats and conservatives and liberals and illegal immigrants and hippies and anyone else they can think of, but they will never blame the man in the mirror… (A little shout out to our fallen homie MJ there. Hee heeeeee!)

We are heading straight to the bottom. The lifeboats left some time ago and only us numbskulls are left on the tilting deck, arguing about who’s stateroom is better and who got the best price on the ticket.

[blahblahblah]

Rt.66 I’m afraid you’re not going to change any minds here. This country is toast. The tent cities in my neighborhood grow by the day and now there are children in them (I’ve lived here 8 years and never seen that before). The people here will blame George Bush, they’ll blame Al Gore, they’ll blame Republicans and Democrats and conservatives and liberals and illegal immigrants and hippies and anyone else they can think of, but they will never blame the man in the mirror… (A little shout out to our fallen homie MJ there. Hee heeeeee!)

We are heading straight to the bottom. The lifeboats left some time ago and only us numbskulls are left on the tilting deck, arguing about who’s stateroom is better and who got the best price on the ticket.

[blahblahblah]

Rt.66 I’m afraid you’re not going to change any minds here. This country is toast. The tent cities in my neighborhood grow by the day and now there are children in them (I’ve lived here 8 years and never seen that before). The people here will blame George Bush, they’ll blame Al Gore, they’ll blame Republicans and Democrats and conservatives and liberals and illegal immigrants and hippies and anyone else they can think of, but they will never blame the man in the mirror… (A little shout out to our fallen homie MJ there. Hee heeeeee!)

We are heading straight to the bottom. The lifeboats left some time ago and only us numbskulls are left on the tilting deck, arguing about who’s stateroom is better and who got the best price on the ticket.

[Coronita]

BTW: Camaro’s have only been out for a few months, and they have already been recalled once… It’s not a big deal, but that’s the problem when you end up using parts from different sources…

And probably part of the reason why toyota’s recall count has been going up is for this reason.

[Coronita]

BTW: Camaro’s have only been out for a few months, and they have already been recalled once… It’s not a big deal, but that’s the problem when you end up using parts from different sources…

And probably part of the reason why toyota’s recall count has been going up is for this reason.

[Coronita]

BTW: Camaro’s have only been out for a few months, and they have already been recalled once… It’s not a big deal, but that’s the problem when you end up using parts from different sources…

And probably part of the reason why toyota’s recall count has been going up is for this reason.

[Coronita]

BTW: Camaro’s have only been out for a few months, and they have already been recalled once… It’s not a big deal, but that’s the problem when you end up using parts from different sources…

And probably part of the reason why toyota’s recall count has been going up is for this reason.

[Coronita]

BTW: Camaro’s have only been out for a few months, and they have already been recalled once… It’s not a big deal, but that’s the problem when you end up using parts from different sources…

And probably part of the reason why toyota’s recall count has been going up is for this reason.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]So many Americans are just too thick to get it.

Look at the post by snail. So someone lurks and finally decides to jump into the conversation just to say they will buy a Hyundai out of spite? Wonderful. And what do you mean “advertise the blog”? We can’t read your mind.

Oni Korsohi, you are just ignorant, period. Probably a staunch import buyer and blinded to reality. All along the BIG 3 US auto makers have made stellar cars. You could have done a little research in any given year and found a great US built car from the big three to meet your needs.

You are right that some US models were better than others, but isn’t the same true for Toyota and Nissan? Duh! Look into the introduction of the Tundra pick-up. Had that been a US truck introduced and sold with such flaws it may have crippled an American company.

But people forgive and forget when it comes to their imports. Search Prius problems and you will discover that Toyota’s flag-ship of the future has some issues, some really serious issues. http://www.google.com/search?q=prius+problems&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYA How many pages are there?

Do you hear about those Prius problems? Now that you know (assuming you clicked the link) do you wonder why such things are not commonly talked about?

Unintended Acceleration killed Audi in this country for 20 years, Toyota seems to be blessed with a nationwide forgiveness policy. http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/problems-with-prius.aspx?googleid=263684

It was national news with Audi, why not with Toyota?

Oh, and our car manufacturing industry is not “ flawed system” as you call it. Again advertising your ignorance or spite. Read the thread maybe you’ll notice links and tests and comparisons and nationally respected quality surveys that prove your ignorance.

We build great cars and trucks. Your irrational hatred for American vehicles does not change that fact. [/quote]

Ok, Rt66… You’re really talking out of your ass now, especially about the Audi unintended acceleration issue.

Because the facts are:

THE AUDI UNINTENTED ACCELERATION HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN FABRICATED BY 60 MINUTES..

Let’s not forget, this is also 60 minutes…You know the same “news” that was discredited by the fabricated reporting of Prez Bush’s military service, in which Dan Rather was fired….remember?

Unfortunately, public perception of this scam setup by 60 minutes killed audi sales during the early 80ies…and only until the 90ies have they made a comeback to the US. It was the perfect foreign bashing attempt (who knows, probably funded by the big 3)…

The real problem was fat asses with bulging legs couldn’t distinguish between the brake, clutch, and accelerator pedals because they were placed slightly closer together as they are in european cars, so that foot traversal between the three pedals would happen more succinctly. Unfortunately, some fat asses who can’t drive unintentionally hit the wrong pedal at the wrong time, and blamed the car manufacturer for the “user error”.

Audi’s mistake was not blaming the drivers for the problem, but just sitting there and taking it….Audi almost pulled out of the U.S. market.

Sorry, I’ve owned 3 audis, 2 bimmers, 1 mercedes and like I said, germans have much better fit/finish/driving dynamics than most GM cars that are FWD…Notable exceptions would be the Vette, possibly the Camaro, and the CTS Spec V.

Bimmers by far have the best handling imho, with a near 50/50 weight split and RWD platform. Audi’s have been moving the engine placement closer to the cabin and have since been biasing the AWD system to a 60/40 rear/fwd power distribution.

Though, Nissan’s Z and G35’s are excellent cars

But hey, who cares about the truth when in the spirit of being patriotic, it’s perfectly acceptable to hit below the belt. Just like it’s perfectly fine to trash a kitchen to get back at a bank that “robbed” people by “forcing” people to take exotic loans….That’s the good old american way, right?Why blame yourself when it’s much more convenient to blame everyone else?

We’re doomed…..

————————————————
The dirt on the unintended acceleration “scam”

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/in-defense-of-the-audi-5000/

When I first heard about the Audi “sudden unintended acceleration” segment on CBS’s 60 Minutes in 1986, I knew immediately that they were blowing smoke. Literally.

A few years earlier, I was part of a TV crew shooting an educational program. Legendary race-car driver Parnelli Jones was the guest celebrity. The producer offered to take us to lunch in his 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham. We hopped in. Parnelli took the wheel.

Parnelli fired up the Caddy’s big V8, dropped it in gear and floored it- with his other foot on the brake. The left rear wheel lit up in a screeching howl; the car was soon engulfed in a cloud of acrid smoke. The Caddy didn’t move an inch- obviously. And neither did Parnelli, glancing at the wincing producer with his wicked grin. I had assumed (wrongly) that race-car drivers grew up eventually.

The experience seared in a lesson in basic automobile physics: brakes are always more powerful than engines, even when they have 500 cubic inches (8.2 liters). Too bad we didn’t have our cameras running. We could have made a graphic rebuttal to 60 Minutes’ fraudulent destruction of Audi.

Let’s set the scene. It’s 1984. Audi sales had shot up 48 percent on the strength of their new aero-dynamic 5000, the hot new weapon in the perpetually-escalating suburban driveway status war. It was a stunning piece. Audi was on a roll.

Suddenly, the war turned bloody. Moms in runaway Audi 5000’s were mowing down their little kids in the driveway and pinning granny against the far garage wall.

This hadn’t happened with the Olds Cutlass Supreme Coupe, the “hot” suburban car Mom traded in for her Audi. The German car certainly felt different. Unlike the Olds’ wide push-bar brake pedal– that some Americans still operated with their left feet– the Audi had that weird, small brake pedal, kinda’ close to the gas pedal.

And these Audis had a mind of their own. No matter how hard Mom pushed on the brake pedal, the Audi kept on going, right through the garage door. This despite the fact that the little five-cylinder mill only cranked out 130 horsepower. And the top-notch four-wheel disc brake system probably could generate well over 600 g-force horsepower.

Apparently, the brakes were failing at exactly the same moment that the gas pedal decided it had a mind of its own. Perfectly plausible, at least to the 60 Minutes crew.

About as plausible as ignoring the police report of the most dramatic victim on the show, Kristi Bradosky, who ran over her six year old son. That report said “Bradosky’s foot slipped off the brake pedal onto the gas pedal accelerating the auto.” Denial isn’t just a river.

Ed Bradley’s 17 minute “investigative report” aired on November 23, 1986. Between interviews of the teary-eyed “victims” (drivers) of unintended acceleration swearing their feet were on the brake pedal, CBS showed a clip of a driverless Audi lurching forward on its own.

Viewers didn’t see the canister of compressed air on the passenger-side floor with a hose running to a hole drilled in the transmission. An “expert” had rigged the Rube Goldberg device to shift the big Audi into drive and, like any automatic-equipped car, move forward (unless the brakes are depressed).

The clip was blatantly deceptive AND totally irrelevant. Nobody claimed driverless Audis were taking off and killing kids. Mom was always at the wheel, pushing the 5000’s “brake” pedal with all her might.

In 1989, after three years of studying the blatantly obvious, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued their report on Audi’s “sudden unintended acceleration problem.” NHTA’s findings fully exonerated Audi and some other implicated foreign makes.

The report concluded that the Audi’s pedal placement was different enough from American cars’ normal set-up (closer to each other) to cause some drivers to mistakenly press the gas instead of the brake. 60 Minutes did not retract their piece; they called the NHTSA report “an opinion.”

A flood of lawsuits was already washing over Audi, not to mention a tsunami of bad publicity. Audi took a questionable stance: they didn’t blame the drivers for the problem, even after the NHTSA report came out. Hey, the customer’s always right, and we sure wouldn’t want to make our American customers look stupid. Anything but that.

So the German automaker took it on the chin. Audi sales collapsed, from 74k units in 1984 to 12k by 1991. The timing added insult to injury; sales fell during the same years when Lexus arrived to battle for the hearts and wallets of America’s up-scale consumers. The Japanese autos quickly became the new suburban driveway prestige weapon.

Audi’s wanna-be-Lexus drivers launched a class action suit charging lost resale value. No wonder the brand almost abandoned the U.S. in 1993. It’s a killer market.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]So many Americans are just too thick to get it.

Look at the post by snail. So someone lurks and finally decides to jump into the conversation just to say they will buy a Hyundai out of spite? Wonderful. And what do you mean “advertise the blog”? We can’t read your mind.

Oni Korsohi, you are just ignorant, period. Probably a staunch import buyer and blinded to reality. All along the BIG 3 US auto makers have made stellar cars. You could have done a little research in any given year and found a great US built car from the big three to meet your needs.

You are right that some US models were better than others, but isn’t the same true for Toyota and Nissan? Duh! Look into the introduction of the Tundra pick-up. Had that been a US truck introduced and sold with such flaws it may have crippled an American company.

But people forgive and forget when it comes to their imports. Search Prius problems and you will discover that Toyota’s flag-ship of the future has some issues, some really serious issues. http://www.google.com/search?q=prius+problems&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYA How many pages are there?

Do you hear about those Prius problems? Now that you know (assuming you clicked the link) do you wonder why such things are not commonly talked about?

Unintended Acceleration killed Audi in this country for 20 years, Toyota seems to be blessed with a nationwide forgiveness policy. http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/problems-with-prius.aspx?googleid=263684

It was national news with Audi, why not with Toyota?

Oh, and our car manufacturing industry is not “ flawed system” as you call it. Again advertising your ignorance or spite. Read the thread maybe you’ll notice links and tests and comparisons and nationally respected quality surveys that prove your ignorance.

We build great cars and trucks. Your irrational hatred for American vehicles does not change that fact. [/quote]

Ok, Rt66… You’re really talking out of your ass now, especially about the Audi unintended acceleration issue.

Because the facts are:

THE AUDI UNINTENTED ACCELERATION HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN FABRICATED BY 60 MINUTES..

Let’s not forget, this is also 60 minutes…You know the same “news” that was discredited by the fabricated reporting of Prez Bush’s military service, in which Dan Rather was fired….remember?

Unfortunately, public perception of this scam setup by 60 minutes killed audi sales during the early 80ies…and only until the 90ies have they made a comeback to the US. It was the perfect foreign bashing attempt (who knows, probably funded by the big 3)…

The real problem was fat asses with bulging legs couldn’t distinguish between the brake, clutch, and accelerator pedals because they were placed slightly closer together as they are in european cars, so that foot traversal between the three pedals would happen more succinctly. Unfortunately, some fat asses who can’t drive unintentionally hit the wrong pedal at the wrong time, and blamed the car manufacturer for the “user error”.

Audi’s mistake was not blaming the drivers for the problem, but just sitting there and taking it….Audi almost pulled out of the U.S. market.

Sorry, I’ve owned 3 audis, 2 bimmers, 1 mercedes and like I said, germans have much better fit/finish/driving dynamics than most GM cars that are FWD…Notable exceptions would be the Vette, possibly the Camaro, and the CTS Spec V.

Bimmers by far have the best handling imho, with a near 50/50 weight split and RWD platform. Audi’s have been moving the engine placement closer to the cabin and have since been biasing the AWD system to a 60/40 rear/fwd power distribution.

Though, Nissan’s Z and G35’s are excellent cars

But hey, who cares about the truth when in the spirit of being patriotic, it’s perfectly acceptable to hit below the belt. Just like it’s perfectly fine to trash a kitchen to get back at a bank that “robbed” people by “forcing” people to take exotic loans….That’s the good old american way, right?Why blame yourself when it’s much more convenient to blame everyone else?

We’re doomed…..

————————————————
The dirt on the unintended acceleration “scam”

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/in-defense-of-the-audi-5000/

When I first heard about the Audi “sudden unintended acceleration” segment on CBS’s 60 Minutes in 1986, I knew immediately that they were blowing smoke. Literally.

A few years earlier, I was part of a TV crew shooting an educational program. Legendary race-car driver Parnelli Jones was the guest celebrity. The producer offered to take us to lunch in his 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham. We hopped in. Parnelli took the wheel.

Parnelli fired up the Caddy’s big V8, dropped it in gear and floored it- with his other foot on the brake. The left rear wheel lit up in a screeching howl; the car was soon engulfed in a cloud of acrid smoke. The Caddy didn’t move an inch- obviously. And neither did Parnelli, glancing at the wincing producer with his wicked grin. I had assumed (wrongly) that race-car drivers grew up eventually.

The experience seared in a lesson in basic automobile physics: brakes are always more powerful than engines, even when they have 500 cubic inches (8.2 liters). Too bad we didn’t have our cameras running. We could have made a graphic rebuttal to 60 Minutes’ fraudulent destruction of Audi.

Let’s set the scene. It’s 1984. Audi sales had shot up 48 percent on the strength of their new aero-dynamic 5000, the hot new weapon in the perpetually-escalating suburban driveway status war. It was a stunning piece. Audi was on a roll.

Suddenly, the war turned bloody. Moms in runaway Audi 5000’s were mowing down their little kids in the driveway and pinning granny against the far garage wall.

This hadn’t happened with the Olds Cutlass Supreme Coupe, the “hot” suburban car Mom traded in for her Audi. The German car certainly felt different. Unlike the Olds’ wide push-bar brake pedal– that some Americans still operated with their left feet– the Audi had that weird, small brake pedal, kinda’ close to the gas pedal.

And these Audis had a mind of their own. No matter how hard Mom pushed on the brake pedal, the Audi kept on going, right through the garage door. This despite the fact that the little five-cylinder mill only cranked out 130 horsepower. And the top-notch four-wheel disc brake system probably could generate well over 600 g-force horsepower.

Apparently, the brakes were failing at exactly the same moment that the gas pedal decided it had a mind of its own. Perfectly plausible, at least to the 60 Minutes crew.

About as plausible as ignoring the police report of the most dramatic victim on the show, Kristi Bradosky, who ran over her six year old son. That report said “Bradosky’s foot slipped off the brake pedal onto the gas pedal accelerating the auto.” Denial isn’t just a river.

Ed Bradley’s 17 minute “investigative report” aired on November 23, 1986. Between interviews of the teary-eyed “victims” (drivers) of unintended acceleration swearing their feet were on the brake pedal, CBS showed a clip of a driverless Audi lurching forward on its own.

Viewers didn’t see the canister of compressed air on the passenger-side floor with a hose running to a hole drilled in the transmission. An “expert” had rigged the Rube Goldberg device to shift the big Audi into drive and, like any automatic-equipped car, move forward (unless the brakes are depressed).

The clip was blatantly deceptive AND totally irrelevant. Nobody claimed driverless Audis were taking off and killing kids. Mom was always at the wheel, pushing the 5000’s “brake” pedal with all her might.

In 1989, after three years of studying the blatantly obvious, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued their report on Audi’s “sudden unintended acceleration problem.” NHTA’s findings fully exonerated Audi and some other implicated foreign makes.

The report concluded that the Audi’s pedal placement was different enough from American cars’ normal set-up (closer to each other) to cause some drivers to mistakenly press the gas instead of the brake. 60 Minutes did not retract their piece; they called the NHTSA report “an opinion.”

A flood of lawsuits was already washing over Audi, not to mention a tsunami of bad publicity. Audi took a questionable stance: they didn’t blame the drivers for the problem, even after the NHTSA report came out. Hey, the customer’s always right, and we sure wouldn’t want to make our American customers look stupid. Anything but that.

So the German automaker took it on the chin. Audi sales collapsed, from 74k units in 1984 to 12k by 1991. The timing added insult to injury; sales fell during the same years when Lexus arrived to battle for the hearts and wallets of America’s up-scale consumers. The Japanese autos quickly became the new suburban driveway prestige weapon.

Audi’s wanna-be-Lexus drivers launched a class action suit charging lost resale value. No wonder the brand almost abandoned the U.S. in 1993. It’s a killer market.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]So many Americans are just too thick to get it.

Look at the post by snail. So someone lurks and finally decides to jump into the conversation just to say they will buy a Hyundai out of spite? Wonderful. And what do you mean “advertise the blog”? We can’t read your mind.

Oni Korsohi, you are just ignorant, period. Probably a staunch import buyer and blinded to reality. All along the BIG 3 US auto makers have made stellar cars. You could have done a little research in any given year and found a great US built car from the big three to meet your needs.

You are right that some US models were better than others, but isn’t the same true for Toyota and Nissan? Duh! Look into the introduction of the Tundra pick-up. Had that been a US truck introduced and sold with such flaws it may have crippled an American company.

But people forgive and forget when it comes to their imports. Search Prius problems and you will discover that Toyota’s flag-ship of the future has some issues, some really serious issues. http://www.google.com/search?q=prius+problems&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYA How many pages are there?

Do you hear about those Prius problems? Now that you know (assuming you clicked the link) do you wonder why such things are not commonly talked about?

Unintended Acceleration killed Audi in this country for 20 years, Toyota seems to be blessed with a nationwide forgiveness policy. http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/problems-with-prius.aspx?googleid=263684

It was national news with Audi, why not with Toyota?

Oh, and our car manufacturing industry is not “ flawed system” as you call it. Again advertising your ignorance or spite. Read the thread maybe you’ll notice links and tests and comparisons and nationally respected quality surveys that prove your ignorance.

We build great cars and trucks. Your irrational hatred for American vehicles does not change that fact. [/quote]

Ok, Rt66… You’re really talking out of your ass now, especially about the Audi unintended acceleration issue.

Because the facts are:

THE AUDI UNINTENTED ACCELERATION HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN FABRICATED BY 60 MINUTES..

Let’s not forget, this is also 60 minutes…You know the same “news” that was discredited by the fabricated reporting of Prez Bush’s military service, in which Dan Rather was fired….remember?

Unfortunately, public perception of this scam setup by 60 minutes killed audi sales during the early 80ies…and only until the 90ies have they made a comeback to the US. It was the perfect foreign bashing attempt (who knows, probably funded by the big 3)…

The real problem was fat asses with bulging legs couldn’t distinguish between the brake, clutch, and accelerator pedals because they were placed slightly closer together as they are in european cars, so that foot traversal between the three pedals would happen more succinctly. Unfortunately, some fat asses who can’t drive unintentionally hit the wrong pedal at the wrong time, and blamed the car manufacturer for the “user error”.

Audi’s mistake was not blaming the drivers for the problem, but just sitting there and taking it….Audi almost pulled out of the U.S. market.

Sorry, I’ve owned 3 audis, 2 bimmers, 1 mercedes and like I said, germans have much better fit/finish/driving dynamics than most GM cars that are FWD…Notable exceptions would be the Vette, possibly the Camaro, and the CTS Spec V.

Bimmers by far have the best handling imho, with a near 50/50 weight split and RWD platform. Audi’s have been moving the engine placement closer to the cabin and have since been biasing the AWD system to a 60/40 rear/fwd power distribution.

Though, Nissan’s Z and G35’s are excellent cars

But hey, who cares about the truth when in the spirit of being patriotic, it’s perfectly acceptable to hit below the belt. Just like it’s perfectly fine to trash a kitchen to get back at a bank that “robbed” people by “forcing” people to take exotic loans….That’s the good old american way, right?Why blame yourself when it’s much more convenient to blame everyone else?

We’re doomed…..

————————————————
The dirt on the unintended acceleration “scam”

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/in-defense-of-the-audi-5000/

When I first heard about the Audi “sudden unintended acceleration” segment on CBS’s 60 Minutes in 1986, I knew immediately that they were blowing smoke. Literally.

A few years earlier, I was part of a TV crew shooting an educational program. Legendary race-car driver Parnelli Jones was the guest celebrity. The producer offered to take us to lunch in his 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham. We hopped in. Parnelli took the wheel.

Parnelli fired up the Caddy’s big V8, dropped it in gear and floored it- with his other foot on the brake. The left rear wheel lit up in a screeching howl; the car was soon engulfed in a cloud of acrid smoke. The Caddy didn’t move an inch- obviously. And neither did Parnelli, glancing at the wincing producer with his wicked grin. I had assumed (wrongly) that race-car drivers grew up eventually.

The experience seared in a lesson in basic automobile physics: brakes are always more powerful than engines, even when they have 500 cubic inches (8.2 liters). Too bad we didn’t have our cameras running. We could have made a graphic rebuttal to 60 Minutes’ fraudulent destruction of Audi.

Let’s set the scene. It’s 1984. Audi sales had shot up 48 percent on the strength of their new aero-dynamic 5000, the hot new weapon in the perpetually-escalating suburban driveway status war. It was a stunning piece. Audi was on a roll.

Suddenly, the war turned bloody. Moms in runaway Audi 5000’s were mowing down their little kids in the driveway and pinning granny against the far garage wall.

This hadn’t happened with the Olds Cutlass Supreme Coupe, the “hot” suburban car Mom traded in for her Audi. The German car certainly felt different. Unlike the Olds’ wide push-bar brake pedal– that some Americans still operated with their left feet– the Audi had that weird, small brake pedal, kinda’ close to the gas pedal.

And these Audis had a mind of their own. No matter how hard Mom pushed on the brake pedal, the Audi kept on going, right through the garage door. This despite the fact that the little five-cylinder mill only cranked out 130 horsepower. And the top-notch four-wheel disc brake system probably could generate well over 600 g-force horsepower.

Apparently, the brakes were failing at exactly the same moment that the gas pedal decided it had a mind of its own. Perfectly plausible, at least to the 60 Minutes crew.

About as plausible as ignoring the police report of the most dramatic victim on the show, Kristi Bradosky, who ran over her six year old son. That report said “Bradosky’s foot slipped off the brake pedal onto the gas pedal accelerating the auto.” Denial isn’t just a river.

Ed Bradley’s 17 minute “investigative report” aired on November 23, 1986. Between interviews of the teary-eyed “victims” (drivers) of unintended acceleration swearing their feet were on the brake pedal, CBS showed a clip of a driverless Audi lurching forward on its own.

Viewers didn’t see the canister of compressed air on the passenger-side floor with a hose running to a hole drilled in the transmission. An “expert” had rigged the Rube Goldberg device to shift the big Audi into drive and, like any automatic-equipped car, move forward (unless the brakes are depressed).

The clip was blatantly deceptive AND totally irrelevant. Nobody claimed driverless Audis were taking off and killing kids. Mom was always at the wheel, pushing the 5000’s “brake” pedal with all her might.

In 1989, after three years of studying the blatantly obvious, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued their report on Audi’s “sudden unintended acceleration problem.” NHTA’s findings fully exonerated Audi and some other implicated foreign makes.

The report concluded that the Audi’s pedal placement was different enough from American cars’ normal set-up (closer to each other) to cause some drivers to mistakenly press the gas instead of the brake. 60 Minutes did not retract their piece; they called the NHTSA report “an opinion.”

A flood of lawsuits was already washing over Audi, not to mention a tsunami of bad publicity. Audi took a questionable stance: they didn’t blame the drivers for the problem, even after the NHTSA report came out. Hey, the customer’s always right, and we sure wouldn’t want to make our American customers look stupid. Anything but that.

So the German automaker took it on the chin. Audi sales collapsed, from 74k units in 1984 to 12k by 1991. The timing added insult to injury; sales fell during the same years when Lexus arrived to battle for the hearts and wallets of America’s up-scale consumers. The Japanese autos quickly became the new suburban driveway prestige weapon.

Audi’s wanna-be-Lexus drivers launched a class action suit charging lost resale value. No wonder the brand almost abandoned the U.S. in 1993. It’s a killer market.

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[quote=Rt.66]So many Americans are just too thick to get it.

Look at the post by snail. So someone lurks and finally decides to jump into the conversation just to say they will buy a Hyundai out of spite? Wonderful. And what do you mean “advertise the blog”? We can’t read your mind.

Oni Korsohi, you are just ignorant, period. Probably a staunch import buyer and blinded to reality. All along the BIG 3 US auto makers have made stellar cars. You could have done a little research in any given year and found a great US built car from the big three to meet your needs.

You are right that some US models were better than others, but isn’t the same true for Toyota and Nissan? Duh! Look into the introduction of the Tundra pick-up. Had that been a US truck introduced and sold with such flaws it may have crippled an American company.

But people forgive and forget when it comes to their imports. Search Prius problems and you will discover that Toyota’s flag-ship of the future has some issues, some really serious issues. http://www.google.com/search?q=prius+problems&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYA How many pages are there?

Do you hear about those Prius problems? Now that you know (assuming you clicked the link) do you wonder why such things are not commonly talked about?

Unintended Acceleration killed Audi in this country for 20 years, Toyota seems to be blessed with a nationwide forgiveness policy. http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/problems-with-prius.aspx?googleid=263684

It was national news with Audi, why not with Toyota?

Oh, and our car manufacturing industry is not “ flawed system” as you call it. Again advertising your ignorance or spite. Read the thread maybe you’ll notice links and tests and comparisons and nationally respected quality surveys that prove your ignorance.

We build great cars and trucks. Your irrational hatred for American vehicles does not change that fact. [/quote]

Ok, Rt66… You’re really talking out of your ass now, especially about the Audi unintended acceleration issue.

Because the facts are:

THE AUDI UNINTENTED ACCELERATION HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN FABRICATED BY 60 MINUTES..

Let’s not forget, this is also 60 minutes…You know the same “news” that was discredited by the fabricated reporting of Prez Bush’s military service, in which Dan Rather was fired….remember?

Unfortunately, public perception of this scam setup by 60 minutes killed audi sales during the early 80ies…and only until the 90ies have they made a comeback to the US. It was the perfect foreign bashing attempt (who knows, probably funded by the big 3)…

The real problem was fat asses with bulging legs couldn’t distinguish between the brake, clutch, and accelerator pedals because they were placed slightly closer together as they are in european cars, so that foot traversal between the three pedals would happen more succinctly. Unfortunately, some fat asses who can’t drive unintentionally hit the wrong pedal at the wrong time, and blamed the car manufacturer for the “user error”.

Audi’s mistake was not blaming the drivers for the problem, but just sitting there and taking it….Audi almost pulled out of the U.S. market.

Sorry, I’ve owned 3 audis, 2 bimmers, 1 mercedes and like I said, germans have much better fit/finish/driving dynamics than most GM cars that are FWD…Notable exceptions would be the Vette, possibly the Camaro, and the CTS Spec V.

Bimmers by far have the best handling imho, with a near 50/50 weight split and RWD platform. Audi’s have been moving the engine placement closer to the cabin and have since been biasing the AWD system to a 60/40 rear/fwd power distribution.

Though, Nissan’s Z and G35’s are excellent cars

But hey, who cares about the truth when in the spirit of being patriotic, it’s perfectly acceptable to hit below the belt. Just like it’s perfectly fine to trash a kitchen to get back at a bank that “robbed” people by “forcing” people to take exotic loans….That’s the good old american way, right?Why blame yourself when it’s much more convenient to blame everyone else?

We’re doomed…..

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The dirt on the unintended acceleration “scam”

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/in-defense-of-the-audi-5000/

When I first heard about the Audi “sudden unintended acceleration” segment on CBS’s 60 Minutes in 1986, I knew immediately that they were blowing smoke. Literally.

A few years earlier, I was part of a TV crew shooting an educational program. Legendary race-car driver Parnelli Jones was the guest celebrity. The producer offered to take us to lunch in his 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham. We hopped in. Parnelli took the wheel.

Parnelli fired up the Caddy’s big V8, dropped it in gear and floored it- with his other foot on the brake. The left rear wheel lit up in a screeching howl; the car was soon engulfed in a cloud of acrid smoke. The Caddy didn’t move an inch- obviously. And neither did Parnelli, glancing at the wincing producer with his wicked grin. I had assumed (wrongly) that race-car drivers grew up eventually.

The experience seared in a lesson in basic automobile physics: brakes are always more powerful than engines, even when they have 500 cubic inches (8.2 liters). Too bad we didn’t have our cameras running. We could have made a graphic rebuttal to 60 Minutes’ fraudulent destruction of Audi.

Let’s set the scene. It’s 1984. Audi sales had shot up 48 percent on the strength of their new aero-dynamic 5000, the hot new weapon in the perpetually-escalating suburban driveway status war. It was a stunning piece. Audi was on a roll.

Suddenly, the war turned bloody. Moms in runaway Audi 5000’s were mowing down their little kids in the driveway and pinning granny against the far garage wall.

This hadn’t happened with the Olds Cutlass Supreme Coupe, the “hot” suburban car Mom traded in for her Audi. The German car certainly felt different. Unlike the Olds’ wide push-bar brake pedal– that some Americans still operated with their left feet– the Audi had that weird, small brake pedal, kinda’ close to the gas pedal.

And these Audis had a mind of their own. No matter how hard Mom pushed on the brake pedal, the Audi kept on going, right through the garage door. This despite the fact that the little five-cylinder mill only cranked out 130 horsepower. And the top-notch four-wheel disc brake system probably could generate well over 600 g-force horsepower.

Apparently, the brakes were failing at exactly the same moment that the gas pedal decided it had a mind of its own. Perfectly plausible, at least to the 60 Minutes crew.

About as plausible as ignoring the police report of the most dramatic victim on the show, Kristi Bradosky, who ran over her six year old son. That report said “Bradosky’s foot slipped off the brake pedal onto the gas pedal accelerating the auto.” Denial isn’t just a river.

Ed Bradley’s 17 minute “investigative report” aired on November 23, 1986. Between interviews of the teary-eyed “victims” (drivers) of unintended acceleration swearing their feet were on the brake pedal, CBS showed a clip of a driverless Audi lurching forward on its own.

Viewers didn’t see the canister of compressed air on the passenger-side floor with a hose running to a hole drilled in the transmission. An “expert” had rigged the Rube Goldberg device to shift the big Audi into drive and, like any automatic-equipped car, move forward (unless the brakes are depressed).

The clip was blatantly deceptive AND totally irrelevant. Nobody claimed driverless Audis were taking off and killing kids. Mom was always at the wheel, pushing the 5000’s “brake” pedal with all her might.

In 1989, after three years of studying the blatantly obvious, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued their report on Audi’s “sudden unintended acceleration problem.” NHTA’s findings fully exonerated Audi and some other implicated foreign makes.

The report concluded that the Audi’s pedal placement was different enough from American cars’ normal set-up (closer to each other) to cause some drivers to mistakenly press the gas instead of the brake. 60 Minutes did not retract their piece; they called the NHTSA report “an opinion.”

A flood of lawsuits was already washing over Audi, not to mention a tsunami of bad publicity. Audi took a questionable stance: they didn’t blame the drivers for the problem, even after the NHTSA report came out. Hey, the customer’s always right, and we sure wouldn’t want to make our American customers look stupid. Anything but that.

So the German automaker took it on the chin. Audi sales collapsed, from 74k units in 1984 to 12k by 1991. The timing added insult to injury; sales fell during the same years when Lexus arrived to battle for the hearts and wallets of America’s up-scale consumers. The Japanese autos quickly became the new suburban driveway prestige weapon.

Audi’s wanna-be-Lexus drivers launched a class action suit charging lost resale value. No wonder the brand almost abandoned the U.S. in 1993. It’s a killer market.

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