Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

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[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter how many times we quote the CA malpractice statute, no one ever believes it because they have been conditioned to scapegoat easy target – laywers. Some of the reasons for high costs in CA are due to high salaries, high expenses, earthquake retrofit mandate for all older hospitals, and the illegals who don’t pay.

[Ricechex]

Yep, follow the money. No clue how this will pan out, but it is guaranteed to be worse either by quality of service, and/or by increased taxation. It may be worth it sometime soon to risk the $2000 fine, and pay for medical costs out of pocket. Dental “insurance” is really a “dental plan”—pay now or pay as you go….costs the same essentially.

Lots of fuzzy warm feelings to provide medical care for all. It’s nice to be altruistic, but altruism isn’t running the show here. The corporation is and there is no way that this would have gotten passed if SOMEONE wasn’t getting paid.

There is a worm in dat dere apple, we just can’t see it–YET. Partypup and Arraya called it out. Simply put, it is a bait and switch.

[Ricechex]

Yep, follow the money. No clue how this will pan out, but it is guaranteed to be worse either by quality of service, and/or by increased taxation. It may be worth it sometime soon to risk the $2000 fine, and pay for medical costs out of pocket. Dental “insurance” is really a “dental plan”—pay now or pay as you go….costs the same essentially.

Lots of fuzzy warm feelings to provide medical care for all. It’s nice to be altruistic, but altruism isn’t running the show here. The corporation is and there is no way that this would have gotten passed if SOMEONE wasn’t getting paid.

There is a worm in dat dere apple, we just can’t see it–YET. Partypup and Arraya called it out. Simply put, it is a bait and switch.

[Ricechex]

Yep, follow the money. No clue how this will pan out, but it is guaranteed to be worse either by quality of service, and/or by increased taxation. It may be worth it sometime soon to risk the $2000 fine, and pay for medical costs out of pocket. Dental “insurance” is really a “dental plan”—pay now or pay as you go….costs the same essentially.

Lots of fuzzy warm feelings to provide medical care for all. It’s nice to be altruistic, but altruism isn’t running the show here. The corporation is and there is no way that this would have gotten passed if SOMEONE wasn’t getting paid.

There is a worm in dat dere apple, we just can’t see it–YET. Partypup and Arraya called it out. Simply put, it is a bait and switch.

[Ricechex]

Yep, follow the money. No clue how this will pan out, but it is guaranteed to be worse either by quality of service, and/or by increased taxation. It may be worth it sometime soon to risk the $2000 fine, and pay for medical costs out of pocket. Dental “insurance” is really a “dental plan”—pay now or pay as you go….costs the same essentially.

Lots of fuzzy warm feelings to provide medical care for all. It’s nice to be altruistic, but altruism isn’t running the show here. The corporation is and there is no way that this would have gotten passed if SOMEONE wasn’t getting paid.

There is a worm in dat dere apple, we just can’t see it–YET. Partypup and Arraya called it out. Simply put, it is a bait and switch.

[Ricechex]

Yep, follow the money. No clue how this will pan out, but it is guaranteed to be worse either by quality of service, and/or by increased taxation. It may be worth it sometime soon to risk the $2000 fine, and pay for medical costs out of pocket. Dental “insurance” is really a “dental plan”—pay now or pay as you go….costs the same essentially.

Lots of fuzzy warm feelings to provide medical care for all. It’s nice to be altruistic, but altruism isn’t running the show here. The corporation is and there is no way that this would have gotten passed if SOMEONE wasn’t getting paid.

There is a worm in dat dere apple, we just can’t see it–YET. Partypup and Arraya called it out. Simply put, it is a bait and switch.

[Arraya]

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_health_care_hindenburg_has_landed_20100322/
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies. The some 3,000 health care lobbyists in Washington, whose dirty little hands are all over the bill, have once more betrayed the American people for money. The bill is another example of why change will never come from within the Democratic Party. The party is owned and managed by corporations. The five largest private health insurers and their trade group, America’s Health Insurance Plans, spent more than $6 million on lobbying in the first quarter of 2009. Pfizer, the world’s biggest drug maker, spent more than $9 million during the last quarter of 2008 and the first three months of 2009. The Washington Post reported that up to 30 members of Congress from both parties who hold key committee memberships have major investments in health care companies totaling between $11 million and $27 million. President Barack Obama’s director of health care policy, who will not discuss single payer as an option, has served on the boards of several health care corporations. And as salaries for most Americans have stagnated or declined during the past decade, health insurance profits have risen by 480 percent.

[Arraya]

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_health_care_hindenburg_has_landed_20100322/
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies. The some 3,000 health care lobbyists in Washington, whose dirty little hands are all over the bill, have once more betrayed the American people for money. The bill is another example of why change will never come from within the Democratic Party. The party is owned and managed by corporations. The five largest private health insurers and their trade group, America’s Health Insurance Plans, spent more than $6 million on lobbying in the first quarter of 2009. Pfizer, the world’s biggest drug maker, spent more than $9 million during the last quarter of 2008 and the first three months of 2009. The Washington Post reported that up to 30 members of Congress from both parties who hold key committee memberships have major investments in health care companies totaling between $11 million and $27 million. President Barack Obama’s director of health care policy, who will not discuss single payer as an option, has served on the boards of several health care corporations. And as salaries for most Americans have stagnated or declined during the past decade, health insurance profits have risen by 480 percent.

[Arraya]

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_health_care_hindenburg_has_landed_20100322/
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies. The some 3,000 health care lobbyists in Washington, whose dirty little hands are all over the bill, have once more betrayed the American people for money. The bill is another example of why change will never come from within the Democratic Party. The party is owned and managed by corporations. The five largest private health insurers and their trade group, America’s Health Insurance Plans, spent more than $6 million on lobbying in the first quarter of 2009. Pfizer, the world’s biggest drug maker, spent more than $9 million during the last quarter of 2008 and the first three months of 2009. The Washington Post reported that up to 30 members of Congress from both parties who hold key committee memberships have major investments in health care companies totaling between $11 million and $27 million. President Barack Obama’s director of health care policy, who will not discuss single payer as an option, has served on the boards of several health care corporations. And as salaries for most Americans have stagnated or declined during the past decade, health insurance profits have risen by 480 percent.

[Arraya]

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_health_care_hindenburg_has_landed_20100322/
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies. The some 3,000 health care lobbyists in Washington, whose dirty little hands are all over the bill, have once more betrayed the American people for money. The bill is another example of why change will never come from within the Democratic Party. The party is owned and managed by corporations. The five largest private health insurers and their trade group, America’s Health Insurance Plans, spent more than $6 million on lobbying in the first quarter of 2009. Pfizer, the world’s biggest drug maker, spent more than $9 million during the last quarter of 2008 and the first three months of 2009. The Washington Post reported that up to 30 members of Congress from both parties who hold key committee memberships have major investments in health care companies totaling between $11 million and $27 million. President Barack Obama’s director of health care policy, who will not discuss single payer as an option, has served on the boards of several health care corporations. And as salaries for most Americans have stagnated or declined during the past decade, health insurance profits have risen by 480 percent.

[Arraya]

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_health_care_hindenburg_has_landed_20100322/
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies. The some 3,000 health care lobbyists in Washington, whose dirty little hands are all over the bill, have once more betrayed the American people for money. The bill is another example of why change will never come from within the Democratic Party. The party is owned and managed by corporations. The five largest private health insurers and their trade group, America’s Health Insurance Plans, spent more than $6 million on lobbying in the first quarter of 2009. Pfizer, the world’s biggest drug maker, spent more than $9 million during the last quarter of 2008 and the first three months of 2009. The Washington Post reported that up to 30 members of Congress from both parties who hold key committee memberships have major investments in health care companies totaling between $11 million and $27 million. President Barack Obama’s director of health care policy, who will not discuss single payer as an option, has served on the boards of several health care corporations. And as salaries for most Americans have stagnated or declined during the past decade, health insurance profits have risen by 480 percent.

[Anonymous]

[quote=bob2007]
In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? [/quote]

Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.

[Anonymous]

[quote=bob2007]
In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? [/quote]

Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.

[Anonymous]

[quote=bob2007]
In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? [/quote]

Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.

[Anonymous]

[quote=bob2007]
In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? [/quote]

Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.

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