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July 7, 2012 at 6:22 PM #19943July 8, 2012 at 1:47 AM #747455CA renterParticipant
Thank you very much for sharing this, sjk.
It all makes sense, except for the part where he suggests that printing money and inflation are the answer to our problems. I think default and deflation would be preferable in the medium-to-long term, especially to workers, but workers do not have a voice in these matters, unfortunately.
We are certainly not out of the woods, and I find it funny that some think we have avoided catastrophe because of all the bailouts and manipulations. IMHO, those are short-term, temporary solutions to much bigger problems.
July 8, 2012 at 8:53 AM #747461spdrunParticipantYou may still get your chance. Keep in mind that Japan had deflation through the 90s and 2000s, despite the manipulations of the merry banksters there.
July 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM #747499CA renterParticipant[quote=spdrun]You may still get your chance. Keep in mind that Japan had deflation through the 90s and 2000s, despite the manipulations of the merry banksters there.[/quote]
Yes, but I believe it is/was bank intervention that causes the prolonged deflationary environment. If allowed to happen in a swift and severe manner, I believe the deflationary period would be much shorter, and lead to a much healthier recovery.
July 9, 2012 at 6:16 AM #747513The-ShovelerParticipantThe reason Japan had deflation for 20 years it’s that the majority of their citizen were older and or retired and transitioning to fixed income Plus the Japanizes are world class money savers.
The politicians were playing to that base.
Deflation only works for people on fixed income or who have a ton of cash in the bank.July 9, 2012 at 6:16 AM #747514The-ShovelerParticipantIn short Japan did everything they could not to have inflation.
July 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM #747545CA renterParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler]In short Japan did everything they could not to have inflation.[/quote]
Exactly. This is what made the deflationary period last so long, IMHO. If they had let it happen swiftly, all those Japanese savers would be in a better position today, IMO.
They also had deflation because of the enormous debt they carried. Debt is inflationary when it’s being incurred, but it’s deflationary in the future as the carrying costs eat away at the purchasing power of workers in the future.
July 9, 2012 at 6:24 PM #747549The-ShovelerParticipant[quote=CA renter][quote=The-Shoveler]In short Japan did everything they could not to have inflation.[/quote]
Exactly. This is what made the deflationary period last so long, IMHO. If they had let it happen swiftly, all those Japanese savers would be in a better position today, IMO.
They also had deflation because of the enormous debt they carried. Debt is inflationary when it’s being incurred, but it’s deflationary in the future as the carrying costs eat away at the purchasing power of workers in the future.[/quote]
In the case of Japan’s government debt almost all of it is owned by its citizens, so the real carrying cost is almost zero.
It is almost the same with most of the recent U.S.A. debt incurred as almost of it is owned by the Fed. (Almost 6 trillion) and the carrying cost of that is “ZERO”.
Almost all the rest is owned by U.S.A. pension funds (again the real carrying cost of that is almost zero).
China has the most U.S.A. debt of any country at slightly more than one trillion (OK that has a real carrying cost).
July 10, 2012 at 6:03 AM #747581moneymakerParticipantGreat read, until the end. I don’t think energy stocks are nearly as solid as gold, remember Enron?
I personally am going to invest in large cap companies that are paying a dividend above the CPI and in my estimation have a very small chance of going bankrupt. Since China holds so much of our debt, what is their opinion? What is their 5 year plan? I’m pretty sure that while their standard of living may be increasing in general that many of their factory workers probably feel like slaves. I work in the service industry and would love to produce a product but how do you compete against slave labor and a country that would steal your ideas and doesn’t really believe in trademark or patent rights?July 10, 2012 at 6:48 AM #747582The-ShovelerParticipantYes China owns about 7% of all U.S.A. Debt, that is a lot.
Ok if we remove what the Fed owns (which is not really real debt since the service cost is zero), is closer to 10%
But it is growing so it is a problem that really needs to be addressed don’t get me wrong, it’s just not the end of the world just yet.
July 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM #747583The-ShovelerParticipantAlso the labor in China is getting too expensive so from what the experts have been saying it is likely to move a lot closer to home (Mexico).
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