The Ongoing Case-Shiller Fallacy/Shadow Inventory

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]Some look at this as making it as fun as possible for as many kids as possible and others can’t turn off that competitive spigot… I suggest parents find a coach that fits which direction they want to go.[/quote]

CB: I had the opportunity to work with a former college star named Gary Crosswhite, who played LB for Oklahoma for four years. Flat out the best football guy I ever worked with. Tremendous knowledge of the game and a great coach. The problem? A lot of what the college and pro guys know just doesn’t translate back down to the youth level, especially for the little guys, like Mitey Mite and Jr Pee Wee players.

I played as far as high school (could have played collegiate, but that’s another story), but for an excellent SF/Bay Area Catholic HS program (we won back to back CCS Championships and went 28 – 0 my junior and senior years). We were rigorously coached in the fundamentals and everything was anchored on our power running game and our defense (I played MLB).

I used the exact same template starting at Mitey Mite and going all the way up to Pee Wee and it worked like a charm. Power running up the middle (which no one in Pop Warner really defends against because its all edge running in PW) and a simple one gap defense focused on gang tackling and pursuit to the ball. And I fervently preach the “Art of the Hit” to my players: Hit hard or get hit hard, but I used kid-friendly, age-appropriate drills (like “Last Man Standing”, which is our version of “Sharks and Minnows”) to make the point. If the kids aren’t having fun, they won’t play. Period. You have to use constant positive reinforcement and let them know, even if they screw up, that you still love them and to keep trying till they get it right.

I’ve seen former collegiate football guys trying to teach a spread offense or a 3-3-5 defense to 7 and 8 year old kids. Doesn’t translate. I’ve also seen that same intensity (obsession) derail an entire team, especially the younger ones, when coaches try to use the discipline they learned in college or the pros on grade school kids.

You have to establish that rapport and the proper environment for them to learn, or all the football knowledge in the world doesn’t matter one iota.

[CardiffBaseball]

Totally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.

Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.

So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.

I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.

[CardiffBaseball]

Totally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.

Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.

So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.

I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.

[CardiffBaseball]

Totally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.

Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.

So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.

I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.

[CardiffBaseball]

Totally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.

Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.

So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.

I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.

[CardiffBaseball]

Totally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.

Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.

So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.

I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CB: I had two year scholarships to Oregon State and Wisconsin – Madison and decided that punching a cop at a party was a really bright idea. Hello, US Army; goodbye, college football.

I played for a really good Catholic school in the Bay Area (I was recruited to play from grade school; you gotta love Catholic football) and went to varsity as a sophomore. I was 5’10” and 180 at the time and went to just under 6′ and 215 by my junior year. You’re right, there is no experience like HS football, but I would have enjoyed at least playing a year or two of college ball, especially for a program like Wisconsin. I doubt I would have started, but even playing second string against schools like Michigan, Illinois, OSU, etc, would have been a blast.

The one thing that stuck with me relative to coaching kids, was not to repeat some of the coaching I got as a kid. Most of my coaches were like my dad: Former WWII and/or Korean War vets and pretty hard bitten and Old School in their approach (lots of in-your-face yelling). I’m a yeller, but my players know its mostly for show and I have never humiliated or demeaned a kid in front of his teammates (or anywhere else for that matter).

That being said, I see a lot of coddling going on, too, and kids that can’t handle discipline or raised voices and that shit drives me just as crazy as those guys who yell too much and think PW is the NFL (think Temecula, Murrieta, Menifee PW). Have fun, but instruct them in the sport, as well as teaching them the good life lessons that football gives: Character through adversity, team work and team play, and the esteem that comes through hard work and discipline.

I played a double overtime playoff game in San Francisco during a driving rain storm and had bronchitis at the time. I was actually hallucinating periodically I was so sick. I know certain folks get horrified when you bring things like this up, but, for me, I learned more about myself and what I could do in that game than at any point before in my life. We won at the end of 2OT by a score of 10 – 7. I may have played one of my best games at linebacker ever, and I was sick as a friggin’ dog.

Sadly, I think the warrior ethos is dying in this country and a football field is one of the last places that exalts it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CB: I had two year scholarships to Oregon State and Wisconsin – Madison and decided that punching a cop at a party was a really bright idea. Hello, US Army; goodbye, college football.

I played for a really good Catholic school in the Bay Area (I was recruited to play from grade school; you gotta love Catholic football) and went to varsity as a sophomore. I was 5’10” and 180 at the time and went to just under 6′ and 215 by my junior year. You’re right, there is no experience like HS football, but I would have enjoyed at least playing a year or two of college ball, especially for a program like Wisconsin. I doubt I would have started, but even playing second string against schools like Michigan, Illinois, OSU, etc, would have been a blast.

The one thing that stuck with me relative to coaching kids, was not to repeat some of the coaching I got as a kid. Most of my coaches were like my dad: Former WWII and/or Korean War vets and pretty hard bitten and Old School in their approach (lots of in-your-face yelling). I’m a yeller, but my players know its mostly for show and I have never humiliated or demeaned a kid in front of his teammates (or anywhere else for that matter).

That being said, I see a lot of coddling going on, too, and kids that can’t handle discipline or raised voices and that shit drives me just as crazy as those guys who yell too much and think PW is the NFL (think Temecula, Murrieta, Menifee PW). Have fun, but instruct them in the sport, as well as teaching them the good life lessons that football gives: Character through adversity, team work and team play, and the esteem that comes through hard work and discipline.

I played a double overtime playoff game in San Francisco during a driving rain storm and had bronchitis at the time. I was actually hallucinating periodically I was so sick. I know certain folks get horrified when you bring things like this up, but, for me, I learned more about myself and what I could do in that game than at any point before in my life. We won at the end of 2OT by a score of 10 – 7. I may have played one of my best games at linebacker ever, and I was sick as a friggin’ dog.

Sadly, I think the warrior ethos is dying in this country and a football field is one of the last places that exalts it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CB: I had two year scholarships to Oregon State and Wisconsin – Madison and decided that punching a cop at a party was a really bright idea. Hello, US Army; goodbye, college football.

I played for a really good Catholic school in the Bay Area (I was recruited to play from grade school; you gotta love Catholic football) and went to varsity as a sophomore. I was 5’10” and 180 at the time and went to just under 6′ and 215 by my junior year. You’re right, there is no experience like HS football, but I would have enjoyed at least playing a year or two of college ball, especially for a program like Wisconsin. I doubt I would have started, but even playing second string against schools like Michigan, Illinois, OSU, etc, would have been a blast.

The one thing that stuck with me relative to coaching kids, was not to repeat some of the coaching I got as a kid. Most of my coaches were like my dad: Former WWII and/or Korean War vets and pretty hard bitten and Old School in their approach (lots of in-your-face yelling). I’m a yeller, but my players know its mostly for show and I have never humiliated or demeaned a kid in front of his teammates (or anywhere else for that matter).

That being said, I see a lot of coddling going on, too, and kids that can’t handle discipline or raised voices and that shit drives me just as crazy as those guys who yell too much and think PW is the NFL (think Temecula, Murrieta, Menifee PW). Have fun, but instruct them in the sport, as well as teaching them the good life lessons that football gives: Character through adversity, team work and team play, and the esteem that comes through hard work and discipline.

I played a double overtime playoff game in San Francisco during a driving rain storm and had bronchitis at the time. I was actually hallucinating periodically I was so sick. I know certain folks get horrified when you bring things like this up, but, for me, I learned more about myself and what I could do in that game than at any point before in my life. We won at the end of 2OT by a score of 10 – 7. I may have played one of my best games at linebacker ever, and I was sick as a friggin’ dog.

Sadly, I think the warrior ethos is dying in this country and a football field is one of the last places that exalts it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CB: I had two year scholarships to Oregon State and Wisconsin – Madison and decided that punching a cop at a party was a really bright idea. Hello, US Army; goodbye, college football.

I played for a really good Catholic school in the Bay Area (I was recruited to play from grade school; you gotta love Catholic football) and went to varsity as a sophomore. I was 5’10” and 180 at the time and went to just under 6′ and 215 by my junior year. You’re right, there is no experience like HS football, but I would have enjoyed at least playing a year or two of college ball, especially for a program like Wisconsin. I doubt I would have started, but even playing second string against schools like Michigan, Illinois, OSU, etc, would have been a blast.

The one thing that stuck with me relative to coaching kids, was not to repeat some of the coaching I got as a kid. Most of my coaches were like my dad: Former WWII and/or Korean War vets and pretty hard bitten and Old School in their approach (lots of in-your-face yelling). I’m a yeller, but my players know its mostly for show and I have never humiliated or demeaned a kid in front of his teammates (or anywhere else for that matter).

That being said, I see a lot of coddling going on, too, and kids that can’t handle discipline or raised voices and that shit drives me just as crazy as those guys who yell too much and think PW is the NFL (think Temecula, Murrieta, Menifee PW). Have fun, but instruct them in the sport, as well as teaching them the good life lessons that football gives: Character through adversity, team work and team play, and the esteem that comes through hard work and discipline.

I played a double overtime playoff game in San Francisco during a driving rain storm and had bronchitis at the time. I was actually hallucinating periodically I was so sick. I know certain folks get horrified when you bring things like this up, but, for me, I learned more about myself and what I could do in that game than at any point before in my life. We won at the end of 2OT by a score of 10 – 7. I may have played one of my best games at linebacker ever, and I was sick as a friggin’ dog.

Sadly, I think the warrior ethos is dying in this country and a football field is one of the last places that exalts it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CB: I had two year scholarships to Oregon State and Wisconsin – Madison and decided that punching a cop at a party was a really bright idea. Hello, US Army; goodbye, college football.

I played for a really good Catholic school in the Bay Area (I was recruited to play from grade school; you gotta love Catholic football) and went to varsity as a sophomore. I was 5’10” and 180 at the time and went to just under 6′ and 215 by my junior year. You’re right, there is no experience like HS football, but I would have enjoyed at least playing a year or two of college ball, especially for a program like Wisconsin. I doubt I would have started, but even playing second string against schools like Michigan, Illinois, OSU, etc, would have been a blast.

The one thing that stuck with me relative to coaching kids, was not to repeat some of the coaching I got as a kid. Most of my coaches were like my dad: Former WWII and/or Korean War vets and pretty hard bitten and Old School in their approach (lots of in-your-face yelling). I’m a yeller, but my players know its mostly for show and I have never humiliated or demeaned a kid in front of his teammates (or anywhere else for that matter).

That being said, I see a lot of coddling going on, too, and kids that can’t handle discipline or raised voices and that shit drives me just as crazy as those guys who yell too much and think PW is the NFL (think Temecula, Murrieta, Menifee PW). Have fun, but instruct them in the sport, as well as teaching them the good life lessons that football gives: Character through adversity, team work and team play, and the esteem that comes through hard work and discipline.

I played a double overtime playoff game in San Francisco during a driving rain storm and had bronchitis at the time. I was actually hallucinating periodically I was so sick. I know certain folks get horrified when you bring things like this up, but, for me, I learned more about myself and what I could do in that game than at any point before in my life. We won at the end of 2OT by a score of 10 – 7. I may have played one of my best games at linebacker ever, and I was sick as a friggin’ dog.

Sadly, I think the warrior ethos is dying in this country and a football field is one of the last places that exalts it.

[sd_matt]

I make the regular drive around 92115, 91941 and 91942. It seems there are more properties for sale than are on Realtor.com.

I’m seeing a few properties that were for sale six months to a year ago still for sale but not online.

Just my two cents. Wait and see I guess.

[sd_matt]

I make the regular drive around 92115, 91941 and 91942. It seems there are more properties for sale than are on Realtor.com.

I’m seeing a few properties that were for sale six months to a year ago still for sale but not online.

Just my two cents. Wait and see I guess.

[sd_matt]

I make the regular drive around 92115, 91941 and 91942. It seems there are more properties for sale than are on Realtor.com.

I’m seeing a few properties that were for sale six months to a year ago still for sale but not online.

Just my two cents. Wait and see I guess.

[sd_matt]

I make the regular drive around 92115, 91941 and 91942. It seems there are more properties for sale than are on Realtor.com.

I’m seeing a few properties that were for sale six months to a year ago still for sale but not online.

Just my two cents. Wait and see I guess.

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