Terrorism

[NotCranky]

I pretty much agree with all that you have said there, Arraya. My wife and I have been discussing some of your points. The idea that someone is going to be let out of the military because they are Muslim is unacceptable because it symbolizes a lack of conquest of Muslims. As much as I tend to want to focus on the stealing of resources, the wars(Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan,ect.) has the component/intention of conquering the people as well. We want to know that they are conquered. We want signs that this is going well.Hasan presents the opposite, especially since his outburst occurred close to home.Whether he was crazy or not doesn’t change the implications. We have created “terrorism” by amplifying the national “insecurity” by attacking the middle east over the decades. We wont leave and perhaps can’t successfully “conquer”, including, or because of the religiosity aspects. I really despise the “holy war” aspect but it isn’t going away. Both sides are driven by or using zealotry. We are effectively maintaining the Christian lies in our culture for effect and manipulation as well. We are being terrorized for effect by our own as much as anything, including by some piggs,perhaps inadvertently on their part.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan: I think the word you’re looking for is Hebe, right? Being Catholic sort of eliminates the whole Jewish angle for me.

Pri: I think we’re getting into protocol and punctilio here as far as what constitutes a terrorist. Once you connect all of the dots in Hasan’s personal life, it goes from mass murder to terrorism, or a “terroristic act” (better?). Using hate crime guidelines, we’d certainly have crossed the threshold by now.

Russ: If you need extra money, you should consider writing ad copy for the “al-Qaeda Qourier”. You can rail about “indoctrination” all you want, but you have zero ability to see any viewpoint other than America has victimized the world and all its occupants. Why you continue living in a country that so violates all of your beliefs is beyond me. You might also consider academia. You’d fit right in there. Ferdinand de Saussure, anyone?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan: I think the word you’re looking for is Hebe, right? Being Catholic sort of eliminates the whole Jewish angle for me.

Pri: I think we’re getting into protocol and punctilio here as far as what constitutes a terrorist. Once you connect all of the dots in Hasan’s personal life, it goes from mass murder to terrorism, or a “terroristic act” (better?). Using hate crime guidelines, we’d certainly have crossed the threshold by now.

Russ: If you need extra money, you should consider writing ad copy for the “al-Qaeda Qourier”. You can rail about “indoctrination” all you want, but you have zero ability to see any viewpoint other than America has victimized the world and all its occupants. Why you continue living in a country that so violates all of your beliefs is beyond me. You might also consider academia. You’d fit right in there. Ferdinand de Saussure, anyone?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan: I think the word you’re looking for is Hebe, right? Being Catholic sort of eliminates the whole Jewish angle for me.

Pri: I think we’re getting into protocol and punctilio here as far as what constitutes a terrorist. Once you connect all of the dots in Hasan’s personal life, it goes from mass murder to terrorism, or a “terroristic act” (better?). Using hate crime guidelines, we’d certainly have crossed the threshold by now.

Russ: If you need extra money, you should consider writing ad copy for the “al-Qaeda Qourier”. You can rail about “indoctrination” all you want, but you have zero ability to see any viewpoint other than America has victimized the world and all its occupants. Why you continue living in a country that so violates all of your beliefs is beyond me. You might also consider academia. You’d fit right in there. Ferdinand de Saussure, anyone?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan: I think the word you’re looking for is Hebe, right? Being Catholic sort of eliminates the whole Jewish angle for me.

Pri: I think we’re getting into protocol and punctilio here as far as what constitutes a terrorist. Once you connect all of the dots in Hasan’s personal life, it goes from mass murder to terrorism, or a “terroristic act” (better?). Using hate crime guidelines, we’d certainly have crossed the threshold by now.

Russ: If you need extra money, you should consider writing ad copy for the “al-Qaeda Qourier”. You can rail about “indoctrination” all you want, but you have zero ability to see any viewpoint other than America has victimized the world and all its occupants. Why you continue living in a country that so violates all of your beliefs is beyond me. You might also consider academia. You’d fit right in there. Ferdinand de Saussure, anyone?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan: I think the word you’re looking for is Hebe, right? Being Catholic sort of eliminates the whole Jewish angle for me.

Pri: I think we’re getting into protocol and punctilio here as far as what constitutes a terrorist. Once you connect all of the dots in Hasan’s personal life, it goes from mass murder to terrorism, or a “terroristic act” (better?). Using hate crime guidelines, we’d certainly have crossed the threshold by now.

Russ: If you need extra money, you should consider writing ad copy for the “al-Qaeda Qourier”. You can rail about “indoctrination” all you want, but you have zero ability to see any viewpoint other than America has victimized the world and all its occupants. Why you continue living in a country that so violates all of your beliefs is beyond me. You might also consider academia. You’d fit right in there. Ferdinand de Saussure, anyone?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=surveyor]oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.[/quote]

The bible suggests that death can be an appropriate remedy for violating the shabbas and likewise that death can be a just punishment for sodomites (though there is dispute as to that definition).

That does not necessarily make Christianity anti-work or anti-gay.

Quran sections 42:39 and 2:190 seem to say a lot about jihad (struggle) as distinct from quital (fighting).

Ash-Shaifi was the first to bless offensive struggle.
That did not occur until over a century after the Quran was completed.
It occurred when Shaifi was looking for a religious justification for expanding an empire.
I don’t really see how this is different from Constantine’s conversion or saying “praise the lord and pass the ammunition”.

Islam only has 5 basic principles:
-Creed/belief
-worship/prayer
-charity for the poor
-fasting/asceticism
-pilgrimage

Blowing shit up is doesn’t really come into play until it starts getting used as an inexpensive form of resistance.

You make it sound as if one must swear an allegiance to violence at the mosque.

Thats no more true of Muslims than it is of Americans.

In that sense there is a grain of truth in that just like most Muslims (or Christians or black people), if you saw your fellow Americans being held down (lets say a Chinese invasion), then you would probably take up arms to help out. At least I would.

Your simplistic monolithic version of Islam sounds like Glenn Beck and http://www.peopleofwalmart.com had a baby.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=surveyor]oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.[/quote]

The bible suggests that death can be an appropriate remedy for violating the shabbas and likewise that death can be a just punishment for sodomites (though there is dispute as to that definition).

That does not necessarily make Christianity anti-work or anti-gay.

Quran sections 42:39 and 2:190 seem to say a lot about jihad (struggle) as distinct from quital (fighting).

Ash-Shaifi was the first to bless offensive struggle.
That did not occur until over a century after the Quran was completed.
It occurred when Shaifi was looking for a religious justification for expanding an empire.
I don’t really see how this is different from Constantine’s conversion or saying “praise the lord and pass the ammunition”.

Islam only has 5 basic principles:
-Creed/belief
-worship/prayer
-charity for the poor
-fasting/asceticism
-pilgrimage

Blowing shit up is doesn’t really come into play until it starts getting used as an inexpensive form of resistance.

You make it sound as if one must swear an allegiance to violence at the mosque.

Thats no more true of Muslims than it is of Americans.

In that sense there is a grain of truth in that just like most Muslims (or Christians or black people), if you saw your fellow Americans being held down (lets say a Chinese invasion), then you would probably take up arms to help out. At least I would.

Your simplistic monolithic version of Islam sounds like Glenn Beck and http://www.peopleofwalmart.com had a baby.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=surveyor]oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.[/quote]

The bible suggests that death can be an appropriate remedy for violating the shabbas and likewise that death can be a just punishment for sodomites (though there is dispute as to that definition).

That does not necessarily make Christianity anti-work or anti-gay.

Quran sections 42:39 and 2:190 seem to say a lot about jihad (struggle) as distinct from quital (fighting).

Ash-Shaifi was the first to bless offensive struggle.
That did not occur until over a century after the Quran was completed.
It occurred when Shaifi was looking for a religious justification for expanding an empire.
I don’t really see how this is different from Constantine’s conversion or saying “praise the lord and pass the ammunition”.

Islam only has 5 basic principles:
-Creed/belief
-worship/prayer
-charity for the poor
-fasting/asceticism
-pilgrimage

Blowing shit up is doesn’t really come into play until it starts getting used as an inexpensive form of resistance.

You make it sound as if one must swear an allegiance to violence at the mosque.

Thats no more true of Muslims than it is of Americans.

In that sense there is a grain of truth in that just like most Muslims (or Christians or black people), if you saw your fellow Americans being held down (lets say a Chinese invasion), then you would probably take up arms to help out. At least I would.

Your simplistic monolithic version of Islam sounds like Glenn Beck and http://www.peopleofwalmart.com had a baby.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=surveyor]oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.[/quote]

The bible suggests that death can be an appropriate remedy for violating the shabbas and likewise that death can be a just punishment for sodomites (though there is dispute as to that definition).

That does not necessarily make Christianity anti-work or anti-gay.

Quran sections 42:39 and 2:190 seem to say a lot about jihad (struggle) as distinct from quital (fighting).

Ash-Shaifi was the first to bless offensive struggle.
That did not occur until over a century after the Quran was completed.
It occurred when Shaifi was looking for a religious justification for expanding an empire.
I don’t really see how this is different from Constantine’s conversion or saying “praise the lord and pass the ammunition”.

Islam only has 5 basic principles:
-Creed/belief
-worship/prayer
-charity for the poor
-fasting/asceticism
-pilgrimage

Blowing shit up is doesn’t really come into play until it starts getting used as an inexpensive form of resistance.

You make it sound as if one must swear an allegiance to violence at the mosque.

Thats no more true of Muslims than it is of Americans.

In that sense there is a grain of truth in that just like most Muslims (or Christians or black people), if you saw your fellow Americans being held down (lets say a Chinese invasion), then you would probably take up arms to help out. At least I would.

Your simplistic monolithic version of Islam sounds like Glenn Beck and http://www.peopleofwalmart.com had a baby.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=surveyor]oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.[/quote]

The bible suggests that death can be an appropriate remedy for violating the shabbas and likewise that death can be a just punishment for sodomites (though there is dispute as to that definition).

That does not necessarily make Christianity anti-work or anti-gay.

Quran sections 42:39 and 2:190 seem to say a lot about jihad (struggle) as distinct from quital (fighting).

Ash-Shaifi was the first to bless offensive struggle.
That did not occur until over a century after the Quran was completed.
It occurred when Shaifi was looking for a religious justification for expanding an empire.
I don’t really see how this is different from Constantine’s conversion or saying “praise the lord and pass the ammunition”.

Islam only has 5 basic principles:
-Creed/belief
-worship/prayer
-charity for the poor
-fasting/asceticism
-pilgrimage

Blowing shit up is doesn’t really come into play until it starts getting used as an inexpensive form of resistance.

You make it sound as if one must swear an allegiance to violence at the mosque.

Thats no more true of Muslims than it is of Americans.

In that sense there is a grain of truth in that just like most Muslims (or Christians or black people), if you saw your fellow Americans being held down (lets say a Chinese invasion), then you would probably take up arms to help out. At least I would.

Your simplistic monolithic version of Islam sounds like Glenn Beck and http://www.peopleofwalmart.com had a baby.

[all]

[quote]JERUSALEM — A Jewish-American extremist charged Thursday with shooting to death two Palestinians and trying to kill others with explosive devices and poison said he had no regrets and was sure God approved of his actions. [/quote]
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/nov/12/jewish-american-charged-with-killing-palestinians/

“there are no atheists in foxholes” – I like that. When people are scared by things they don’t understand or can’t control they need to find some order and stability. It comes from the same place where all the conspiracy theories are coming from. Then some people take it a step further and sh*t happens.

[all]

[quote]JERUSALEM — A Jewish-American extremist charged Thursday with shooting to death two Palestinians and trying to kill others with explosive devices and poison said he had no regrets and was sure God approved of his actions. [/quote]
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/nov/12/jewish-american-charged-with-killing-palestinians/

“there are no atheists in foxholes” – I like that. When people are scared by things they don’t understand or can’t control they need to find some order and stability. It comes from the same place where all the conspiracy theories are coming from. Then some people take it a step further and sh*t happens.

[all]

[quote]JERUSALEM — A Jewish-American extremist charged Thursday with shooting to death two Palestinians and trying to kill others with explosive devices and poison said he had no regrets and was sure God approved of his actions. [/quote]
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/nov/12/jewish-american-charged-with-killing-palestinians/

“there are no atheists in foxholes” – I like that. When people are scared by things they don’t understand or can’t control they need to find some order and stability. It comes from the same place where all the conspiracy theories are coming from. Then some people take it a step further and sh*t happens.

[all]

[quote]JERUSALEM — A Jewish-American extremist charged Thursday with shooting to death two Palestinians and trying to kill others with explosive devices and poison said he had no regrets and was sure God approved of his actions. [/quote]
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/nov/12/jewish-american-charged-with-killing-palestinians/

“there are no atheists in foxholes” – I like that. When people are scared by things they don’t understand or can’t control they need to find some order and stability. It comes from the same place where all the conspiracy theories are coming from. Then some people take it a step further and sh*t happens.

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