Terrorism

[Arraya]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1565941/Muslim-leaders-call-for-peace-in-open-letter.html

Muslim leaders call for peace.

I guess it’s not universal. So your argument falls apart.

Right, it has to be universal?

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.

First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.

Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars

Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.

Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.

It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]

tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.

There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.

No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.

First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.

Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars

Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.

Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.

It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]

tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.

There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.

No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.

First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.

Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars

Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.

Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.

It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]

tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.

There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.

No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.

First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.

Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars

Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.

Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.

It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]

tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.

There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.

No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.

First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.

Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars

Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.

Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.

It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]

tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.

There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.

No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor]

If you read closely, there are significant differences to the things you wrote. Are your Talmud quotes being used as justification for violence? Do the religious authorities acknowledge and agree with the calls to violence? And what have the religious authorities ruled to these verses? Were they abrogated? Are they considered to be the law of the land in Israel?

That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.[/quote]

Ok, lets rehash.

I could paste the thread full of hundreds of verses that promote violence but I won’t do that.

All religions preach violence.

Second, religious scholars in both Judaism and Christianity teach violence according to scripture today.

Here is another.

A Jewish rabbi has issued a book giving Jews permission to murder non-Jews, including babies and children who pose an actual or potential threat to Jews or Israel. Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, head of the Yitzhar settlement in the occupied West Bank, says: “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among non-Jews even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation.” Shapiro writes in his book The King’s Torah: “If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments…there is nothing wrong with the murder.” Shapiro claims his edict “is fully justified by the Torah and the Talmud.” The anti-goyem edict came in response to the arrest by Israeli police of a Jewish terrorist who confessed to murdering two Palestinians in the West Bank. The terrorist, a US-born immigrant named Yaakov Teitel, also confessed to trying to assassinate leftist Jewish figures

Third, violence is being committed on a daily basis in Gaza whether it is from soldiers or the settlers themselves. Daily. Because of religious teachings from scholars.

Fourth, as I said before, there is NO universal call to violence with Islam. That is only in your head.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor]

If you read closely, there are significant differences to the things you wrote. Are your Talmud quotes being used as justification for violence? Do the religious authorities acknowledge and agree with the calls to violence? And what have the religious authorities ruled to these verses? Were they abrogated? Are they considered to be the law of the land in Israel?

That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.[/quote]

Ok, lets rehash.

I could paste the thread full of hundreds of verses that promote violence but I won’t do that.

All religions preach violence.

Second, religious scholars in both Judaism and Christianity teach violence according to scripture today.

Here is another.

A Jewish rabbi has issued a book giving Jews permission to murder non-Jews, including babies and children who pose an actual or potential threat to Jews or Israel. Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, head of the Yitzhar settlement in the occupied West Bank, says: “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among non-Jews even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation.” Shapiro writes in his book The King’s Torah: “If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments…there is nothing wrong with the murder.” Shapiro claims his edict “is fully justified by the Torah and the Talmud.” The anti-goyem edict came in response to the arrest by Israeli police of a Jewish terrorist who confessed to murdering two Palestinians in the West Bank. The terrorist, a US-born immigrant named Yaakov Teitel, also confessed to trying to assassinate leftist Jewish figures

Third, violence is being committed on a daily basis in Gaza whether it is from soldiers or the settlers themselves. Daily. Because of religious teachings from scholars.

Fourth, as I said before, there is NO universal call to violence with Islam. That is only in your head.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor]

If you read closely, there are significant differences to the things you wrote. Are your Talmud quotes being used as justification for violence? Do the religious authorities acknowledge and agree with the calls to violence? And what have the religious authorities ruled to these verses? Were they abrogated? Are they considered to be the law of the land in Israel?

That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.[/quote]

Ok, lets rehash.

I could paste the thread full of hundreds of verses that promote violence but I won’t do that.

All religions preach violence.

Second, religious scholars in both Judaism and Christianity teach violence according to scripture today.

Here is another.

A Jewish rabbi has issued a book giving Jews permission to murder non-Jews, including babies and children who pose an actual or potential threat to Jews or Israel. Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, head of the Yitzhar settlement in the occupied West Bank, says: “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among non-Jews even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation.” Shapiro writes in his book The King’s Torah: “If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments…there is nothing wrong with the murder.” Shapiro claims his edict “is fully justified by the Torah and the Talmud.” The anti-goyem edict came in response to the arrest by Israeli police of a Jewish terrorist who confessed to murdering two Palestinians in the West Bank. The terrorist, a US-born immigrant named Yaakov Teitel, also confessed to trying to assassinate leftist Jewish figures

Third, violence is being committed on a daily basis in Gaza whether it is from soldiers or the settlers themselves. Daily. Because of religious teachings from scholars.

Fourth, as I said before, there is NO universal call to violence with Islam. That is only in your head.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor]

If you read closely, there are significant differences to the things you wrote. Are your Talmud quotes being used as justification for violence? Do the religious authorities acknowledge and agree with the calls to violence? And what have the religious authorities ruled to these verses? Were they abrogated? Are they considered to be the law of the land in Israel?

That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.[/quote]

Ok, lets rehash.

I could paste the thread full of hundreds of verses that promote violence but I won’t do that.

All religions preach violence.

Second, religious scholars in both Judaism and Christianity teach violence according to scripture today.

Here is another.

A Jewish rabbi has issued a book giving Jews permission to murder non-Jews, including babies and children who pose an actual or potential threat to Jews or Israel. Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, head of the Yitzhar settlement in the occupied West Bank, says: “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among non-Jews even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation.” Shapiro writes in his book The King’s Torah: “If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments…there is nothing wrong with the murder.” Shapiro claims his edict “is fully justified by the Torah and the Talmud.” The anti-goyem edict came in response to the arrest by Israeli police of a Jewish terrorist who confessed to murdering two Palestinians in the West Bank. The terrorist, a US-born immigrant named Yaakov Teitel, also confessed to trying to assassinate leftist Jewish figures

Third, violence is being committed on a daily basis in Gaza whether it is from soldiers or the settlers themselves. Daily. Because of religious teachings from scholars.

Fourth, as I said before, there is NO universal call to violence with Islam. That is only in your head.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor]

If you read closely, there are significant differences to the things you wrote. Are your Talmud quotes being used as justification for violence? Do the religious authorities acknowledge and agree with the calls to violence? And what have the religious authorities ruled to these verses? Were they abrogated? Are they considered to be the law of the land in Israel?

That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.[/quote]

Ok, lets rehash.

I could paste the thread full of hundreds of verses that promote violence but I won’t do that.

All religions preach violence.

Second, religious scholars in both Judaism and Christianity teach violence according to scripture today.

Here is another.

A Jewish rabbi has issued a book giving Jews permission to murder non-Jews, including babies and children who pose an actual or potential threat to Jews or Israel. Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, head of the Yitzhar settlement in the occupied West Bank, says: “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among non-Jews even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation.” Shapiro writes in his book The King’s Torah: “If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments…there is nothing wrong with the murder.” Shapiro claims his edict “is fully justified by the Torah and the Talmud.” The anti-goyem edict came in response to the arrest by Israeli police of a Jewish terrorist who confessed to murdering two Palestinians in the West Bank. The terrorist, a US-born immigrant named Yaakov Teitel, also confessed to trying to assassinate leftist Jewish figures

Third, violence is being committed on a daily basis in Gaza whether it is from soldiers or the settlers themselves. Daily. Because of religious teachings from scholars.

Fourth, as I said before, there is NO universal call to violence with Islam. That is only in your head.

[urbanrealtor]

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[urbanrealtor]

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[urbanrealtor]

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[urbanrealtor]

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

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