Terrorism

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Which is why you don’t see Protestant pastors, or Catholic priests, or Jewish rabbis flying jets into skyscrapers.[/quote]

No, you have jewish rabbi’s sanctioning genocide via divine right for settlement expansions AS WELL as evangelicals supporting this with funds. Daily!. Because it’s prophecy.

Ethnic cleansing on a daily basis, because of divine right and prophecy. They don’t even hide it.

The jewish extremists in tel aviv do more to radicalize the arab political body that anything else.

Let me repeat.

On a daily basis they drive people from their homes at gun point because of divine right, send them to refugee camps and christian evangelicals help fund this because of prophecy.

This goes on daily.

Here is your typical Jewish settler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykmv7s-Q0J8%5B/quote%5D

Arraya: You’re right, but doesn’t that tie into Afx’s argument about fundamentalist anything? I agree with him and you, but it would seem to underscore the reality that, regardless of faith, the lunatic fringe represents an outsize danger to open, liberal and free-thinking societies.[/quote]

I agree, but how many suicide bombings did we have pre-1980.

There is a reason for this radicalization.

Cause and effect.

[surveyor]

[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.

Try again history buff.[/quote]

You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.

Anyone want a beer?[/quote]

Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.

Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.

Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.

[surveyor]

[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.

Try again history buff.[/quote]

You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.

Anyone want a beer?[/quote]

Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.

Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.

Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.

[surveyor]

[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.

Try again history buff.[/quote]

You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.

Anyone want a beer?[/quote]

Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.

Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.

Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.

[surveyor]

[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.

Try again history buff.[/quote]

You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.

Anyone want a beer?[/quote]

Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.

Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.

Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.

[surveyor]

[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.

Try again history buff.[/quote]

You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.

Anyone want a beer?[/quote]

Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.

Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.

Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Arraya: I would rebut the pre-1980 assertion by clarifying between terrorism in general and suicide bombings in particular.

I would say, specifically, that you’re correct about suicide bombings, pre-1980, but also that suicide bombings are something of a newer phenomenon.

There were significant spasms of terrorism and dating back to the 1960s and 1970s (think PFLP, PLO and Black September and events like Lod Airport and Munich, 1972). I’m focusing on Muslim terrorists, since that’s the topic at hand, but also remember Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction, Brigate Rosse, et al.

In many ways, the 1960s and 1970s were worse, in terms of violence and much of this also happened to be state-sponsored (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) or proxy (Soviets).

I guess my point would be that we’ve had extremist Muslim factions for quite a few years, but that the underlying causes have shifted from political to religious.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Arraya: I would rebut the pre-1980 assertion by clarifying between terrorism in general and suicide bombings in particular.

I would say, specifically, that you’re correct about suicide bombings, pre-1980, but also that suicide bombings are something of a newer phenomenon.

There were significant spasms of terrorism and dating back to the 1960s and 1970s (think PFLP, PLO and Black September and events like Lod Airport and Munich, 1972). I’m focusing on Muslim terrorists, since that’s the topic at hand, but also remember Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction, Brigate Rosse, et al.

In many ways, the 1960s and 1970s were worse, in terms of violence and much of this also happened to be state-sponsored (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) or proxy (Soviets).

I guess my point would be that we’ve had extremist Muslim factions for quite a few years, but that the underlying causes have shifted from political to religious.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Arraya: I would rebut the pre-1980 assertion by clarifying between terrorism in general and suicide bombings in particular.

I would say, specifically, that you’re correct about suicide bombings, pre-1980, but also that suicide bombings are something of a newer phenomenon.

There were significant spasms of terrorism and dating back to the 1960s and 1970s (think PFLP, PLO and Black September and events like Lod Airport and Munich, 1972). I’m focusing on Muslim terrorists, since that’s the topic at hand, but also remember Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction, Brigate Rosse, et al.

In many ways, the 1960s and 1970s were worse, in terms of violence and much of this also happened to be state-sponsored (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) or proxy (Soviets).

I guess my point would be that we’ve had extremist Muslim factions for quite a few years, but that the underlying causes have shifted from political to religious.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Arraya: I would rebut the pre-1980 assertion by clarifying between terrorism in general and suicide bombings in particular.

I would say, specifically, that you’re correct about suicide bombings, pre-1980, but also that suicide bombings are something of a newer phenomenon.

There were significant spasms of terrorism and dating back to the 1960s and 1970s (think PFLP, PLO and Black September and events like Lod Airport and Munich, 1972). I’m focusing on Muslim terrorists, since that’s the topic at hand, but also remember Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction, Brigate Rosse, et al.

In many ways, the 1960s and 1970s were worse, in terms of violence and much of this also happened to be state-sponsored (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) or proxy (Soviets).

I guess my point would be that we’ve had extremist Muslim factions for quite a few years, but that the underlying causes have shifted from political to religious.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Arraya: I would rebut the pre-1980 assertion by clarifying between terrorism in general and suicide bombings in particular.

I would say, specifically, that you’re correct about suicide bombings, pre-1980, but also that suicide bombings are something of a newer phenomenon.

There were significant spasms of terrorism and dating back to the 1960s and 1970s (think PFLP, PLO and Black September and events like Lod Airport and Munich, 1972). I’m focusing on Muslim terrorists, since that’s the topic at hand, but also remember Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction, Brigate Rosse, et al.

In many ways, the 1960s and 1970s were worse, in terms of violence and much of this also happened to be state-sponsored (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) or proxy (Soviets).

I guess my point would be that we’ve had extremist Muslim factions for quite a few years, but that the underlying causes have shifted from political to religious.

[Arraya]

Truman should have listened to his joint chiefs of staff about creating the state of Israel. It was a bad idea from the start.

Israel Shahak warned that the Talmudic Judaism is totalitarian religion where rabbinical law governs every aspect of Jewish behaviour in Israel. Yes they are liberal socially but still very much dangerous extremists that have a lobby in congress and a bunch of nukes.

And any attempts by Western analysts to explain contemporary Israeli politics in purely secular terms such as imperialism are fundamentally flawed.

You can’t discuss the ME fundamentalism with out discussing the zionists and their views. It’s very central to understanding the radicalization of the islamic political body.

Cause and effect

[Arraya]

Truman should have listened to his joint chiefs of staff about creating the state of Israel. It was a bad idea from the start.

Israel Shahak warned that the Talmudic Judaism is totalitarian religion where rabbinical law governs every aspect of Jewish behaviour in Israel. Yes they are liberal socially but still very much dangerous extremists that have a lobby in congress and a bunch of nukes.

And any attempts by Western analysts to explain contemporary Israeli politics in purely secular terms such as imperialism are fundamentally flawed.

You can’t discuss the ME fundamentalism with out discussing the zionists and their views. It’s very central to understanding the radicalization of the islamic political body.

Cause and effect

[Arraya]

Truman should have listened to his joint chiefs of staff about creating the state of Israel. It was a bad idea from the start.

Israel Shahak warned that the Talmudic Judaism is totalitarian religion where rabbinical law governs every aspect of Jewish behaviour in Israel. Yes they are liberal socially but still very much dangerous extremists that have a lobby in congress and a bunch of nukes.

And any attempts by Western analysts to explain contemporary Israeli politics in purely secular terms such as imperialism are fundamentally flawed.

You can’t discuss the ME fundamentalism with out discussing the zionists and their views. It’s very central to understanding the radicalization of the islamic political body.

Cause and effect

[Arraya]

Truman should have listened to his joint chiefs of staff about creating the state of Israel. It was a bad idea from the start.

Israel Shahak warned that the Talmudic Judaism is totalitarian religion where rabbinical law governs every aspect of Jewish behaviour in Israel. Yes they are liberal socially but still very much dangerous extremists that have a lobby in congress and a bunch of nukes.

And any attempts by Western analysts to explain contemporary Israeli politics in purely secular terms such as imperialism are fundamentally flawed.

You can’t discuss the ME fundamentalism with out discussing the zionists and their views. It’s very central to understanding the radicalization of the islamic political body.

Cause and effect

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