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June 17, 2008 at 11:08 PM #224680June 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM #224613HarryBoschParticipant
TheBreeze, what disturbed me the most when we first moved here to Temecula was not that we (my wife and my kids) met “gay” teen-agers but it was the backgrounds – almost exclusively broken families – of these “gay” teen-agers.
This one teen-age girl – 14 or 15 years old – who my daughter became friends with through her circle of friends dressed in boy clothes and really tried to walk and talk like a guy. She wanted to be the “boyfriend” of my daughter. But she clearly had large breasts. Later we learned that she really was a girl. We also learned that her father had ditched her family right before she entered her teen-age years. To be honest I felt sorry for the girl.
She would come over to our house and try to talk in a low tone voice. It was right out of the “Boys Dont Cry” movie.
When my daughter has brought her teen-age friends over to our house – some who introduced themselves as “gay” – during the past five years here in Temecula my wife and I would always be pleasant and hopefully we showed acceptance of these young people.
We met and talked with a lot of teenagers who were friends of my son and my daughter. They seemed to like us based on how often they would visit and share their lives with us. Teen-age years can be confusing and a lot of them have pain that they try to keep inside themselves. I like to think that my family was a welcome environment for them.
(BTW, pink ribbons are for breast cancer.)
June 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM #224718HarryBoschParticipantTheBreeze, what disturbed me the most when we first moved here to Temecula was not that we (my wife and my kids) met “gay” teen-agers but it was the backgrounds – almost exclusively broken families – of these “gay” teen-agers.
This one teen-age girl – 14 or 15 years old – who my daughter became friends with through her circle of friends dressed in boy clothes and really tried to walk and talk like a guy. She wanted to be the “boyfriend” of my daughter. But she clearly had large breasts. Later we learned that she really was a girl. We also learned that her father had ditched her family right before she entered her teen-age years. To be honest I felt sorry for the girl.
She would come over to our house and try to talk in a low tone voice. It was right out of the “Boys Dont Cry” movie.
When my daughter has brought her teen-age friends over to our house – some who introduced themselves as “gay” – during the past five years here in Temecula my wife and I would always be pleasant and hopefully we showed acceptance of these young people.
We met and talked with a lot of teenagers who were friends of my son and my daughter. They seemed to like us based on how often they would visit and share their lives with us. Teen-age years can be confusing and a lot of them have pain that they try to keep inside themselves. I like to think that my family was a welcome environment for them.
(BTW, pink ribbons are for breast cancer.)
June 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM #224735HarryBoschParticipantTheBreeze, what disturbed me the most when we first moved here to Temecula was not that we (my wife and my kids) met “gay” teen-agers but it was the backgrounds – almost exclusively broken families – of these “gay” teen-agers.
This one teen-age girl – 14 or 15 years old – who my daughter became friends with through her circle of friends dressed in boy clothes and really tried to walk and talk like a guy. She wanted to be the “boyfriend” of my daughter. But she clearly had large breasts. Later we learned that she really was a girl. We also learned that her father had ditched her family right before she entered her teen-age years. To be honest I felt sorry for the girl.
She would come over to our house and try to talk in a low tone voice. It was right out of the “Boys Dont Cry” movie.
When my daughter has brought her teen-age friends over to our house – some who introduced themselves as “gay” – during the past five years here in Temecula my wife and I would always be pleasant and hopefully we showed acceptance of these young people.
We met and talked with a lot of teenagers who were friends of my son and my daughter. They seemed to like us based on how often they would visit and share their lives with us. Teen-age years can be confusing and a lot of them have pain that they try to keep inside themselves. I like to think that my family was a welcome environment for them.
(BTW, pink ribbons are for breast cancer.)
June 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM #224766HarryBoschParticipantTheBreeze, what disturbed me the most when we first moved here to Temecula was not that we (my wife and my kids) met “gay” teen-agers but it was the backgrounds – almost exclusively broken families – of these “gay” teen-agers.
This one teen-age girl – 14 or 15 years old – who my daughter became friends with through her circle of friends dressed in boy clothes and really tried to walk and talk like a guy. She wanted to be the “boyfriend” of my daughter. But she clearly had large breasts. Later we learned that she really was a girl. We also learned that her father had ditched her family right before she entered her teen-age years. To be honest I felt sorry for the girl.
She would come over to our house and try to talk in a low tone voice. It was right out of the “Boys Dont Cry” movie.
When my daughter has brought her teen-age friends over to our house – some who introduced themselves as “gay” – during the past five years here in Temecula my wife and I would always be pleasant and hopefully we showed acceptance of these young people.
We met and talked with a lot of teenagers who were friends of my son and my daughter. They seemed to like us based on how often they would visit and share their lives with us. Teen-age years can be confusing and a lot of them have pain that they try to keep inside themselves. I like to think that my family was a welcome environment for them.
(BTW, pink ribbons are for breast cancer.)
June 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM #224780HarryBoschParticipantTheBreeze, what disturbed me the most when we first moved here to Temecula was not that we (my wife and my kids) met “gay” teen-agers but it was the backgrounds – almost exclusively broken families – of these “gay” teen-agers.
This one teen-age girl – 14 or 15 years old – who my daughter became friends with through her circle of friends dressed in boy clothes and really tried to walk and talk like a guy. She wanted to be the “boyfriend” of my daughter. But she clearly had large breasts. Later we learned that she really was a girl. We also learned that her father had ditched her family right before she entered her teen-age years. To be honest I felt sorry for the girl.
She would come over to our house and try to talk in a low tone voice. It was right out of the “Boys Dont Cry” movie.
When my daughter has brought her teen-age friends over to our house – some who introduced themselves as “gay” – during the past five years here in Temecula my wife and I would always be pleasant and hopefully we showed acceptance of these young people.
We met and talked with a lot of teenagers who were friends of my son and my daughter. They seemed to like us based on how often they would visit and share their lives with us. Teen-age years can be confusing and a lot of them have pain that they try to keep inside themselves. I like to think that my family was a welcome environment for them.
(BTW, pink ribbons are for breast cancer.)
June 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM #224664temeculaguyParticipantHarry, I know you mean well so I’ll try to put this in a nice way, actually I can’t think of a nice way, you are so completely lost with regards to gay people it borders on being cute. Many negative things can increase as a result of broken families or the lack of a stable home but homosexuality isn’t one of them (that is where strippers come from). I’ve never thought about it but there may be an increase in divorce amongst parents of homosexuals, especially in the past when it was not as accepted. I also have teenagers in this valley and I have met many of their friends, yet I haven’t met any openly gay ones. That doesn’t mean there aren’t gay kids, nor does it mean that because your kids have lots of gay friends that they are all gay, it’s the reason pollsters and studies look at more than a handfull of people, small studies are inaccurate. Because they have a number of gay friends, one of two things are at play, they may be gay themselves and just haven’t gotten around to tell you or they are just extremely balanced kids and something like a persons sexuality is not taken into account when choosing friends. If either turn out to be gay, it isn’t anything you did right or wrong, it is all nature and no nurture, just accept them and love them, they were just wired that way.
This also has nothing to do with Temecula or suburbs or inner cities, many studies have been done and there is not one shred of proof that environment has anything to do with it. Neither of us are in high school so we cannot fully comprehend what it is like today, but if the acceptance of gays into straight circles of freinds is something that scares you about Temecula, I think you are looking at it wrong, it is actually a positive thing.I think has more to do with the calendar than the location, 2008 is not 2003, so comparing your other community in 2003 to your current one in 2008 is not a fair comparison, Temecula didn’t change, society did.
The only reason I didn’t rip into you was that despite being naive, you and your wife make attempts to spread a little love to wayward souls, so you get a pass, however this is not a lifetime pass, and the last time your “divorce leads to gay kids” theory will go unpunished unless you can produce a study not funded by a church.
June 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM #224769temeculaguyParticipantHarry, I know you mean well so I’ll try to put this in a nice way, actually I can’t think of a nice way, you are so completely lost with regards to gay people it borders on being cute. Many negative things can increase as a result of broken families or the lack of a stable home but homosexuality isn’t one of them (that is where strippers come from). I’ve never thought about it but there may be an increase in divorce amongst parents of homosexuals, especially in the past when it was not as accepted. I also have teenagers in this valley and I have met many of their friends, yet I haven’t met any openly gay ones. That doesn’t mean there aren’t gay kids, nor does it mean that because your kids have lots of gay friends that they are all gay, it’s the reason pollsters and studies look at more than a handfull of people, small studies are inaccurate. Because they have a number of gay friends, one of two things are at play, they may be gay themselves and just haven’t gotten around to tell you or they are just extremely balanced kids and something like a persons sexuality is not taken into account when choosing friends. If either turn out to be gay, it isn’t anything you did right or wrong, it is all nature and no nurture, just accept them and love them, they were just wired that way.
This also has nothing to do with Temecula or suburbs or inner cities, many studies have been done and there is not one shred of proof that environment has anything to do with it. Neither of us are in high school so we cannot fully comprehend what it is like today, but if the acceptance of gays into straight circles of freinds is something that scares you about Temecula, I think you are looking at it wrong, it is actually a positive thing.I think has more to do with the calendar than the location, 2008 is not 2003, so comparing your other community in 2003 to your current one in 2008 is not a fair comparison, Temecula didn’t change, society did.
The only reason I didn’t rip into you was that despite being naive, you and your wife make attempts to spread a little love to wayward souls, so you get a pass, however this is not a lifetime pass, and the last time your “divorce leads to gay kids” theory will go unpunished unless you can produce a study not funded by a church.
June 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM #224787temeculaguyParticipantHarry, I know you mean well so I’ll try to put this in a nice way, actually I can’t think of a nice way, you are so completely lost with regards to gay people it borders on being cute. Many negative things can increase as a result of broken families or the lack of a stable home but homosexuality isn’t one of them (that is where strippers come from). I’ve never thought about it but there may be an increase in divorce amongst parents of homosexuals, especially in the past when it was not as accepted. I also have teenagers in this valley and I have met many of their friends, yet I haven’t met any openly gay ones. That doesn’t mean there aren’t gay kids, nor does it mean that because your kids have lots of gay friends that they are all gay, it’s the reason pollsters and studies look at more than a handfull of people, small studies are inaccurate. Because they have a number of gay friends, one of two things are at play, they may be gay themselves and just haven’t gotten around to tell you or they are just extremely balanced kids and something like a persons sexuality is not taken into account when choosing friends. If either turn out to be gay, it isn’t anything you did right or wrong, it is all nature and no nurture, just accept them and love them, they were just wired that way.
This also has nothing to do with Temecula or suburbs or inner cities, many studies have been done and there is not one shred of proof that environment has anything to do with it. Neither of us are in high school so we cannot fully comprehend what it is like today, but if the acceptance of gays into straight circles of freinds is something that scares you about Temecula, I think you are looking at it wrong, it is actually a positive thing.I think has more to do with the calendar than the location, 2008 is not 2003, so comparing your other community in 2003 to your current one in 2008 is not a fair comparison, Temecula didn’t change, society did.
The only reason I didn’t rip into you was that despite being naive, you and your wife make attempts to spread a little love to wayward souls, so you get a pass, however this is not a lifetime pass, and the last time your “divorce leads to gay kids” theory will go unpunished unless you can produce a study not funded by a church.
June 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM #224814temeculaguyParticipantHarry, I know you mean well so I’ll try to put this in a nice way, actually I can’t think of a nice way, you are so completely lost with regards to gay people it borders on being cute. Many negative things can increase as a result of broken families or the lack of a stable home but homosexuality isn’t one of them (that is where strippers come from). I’ve never thought about it but there may be an increase in divorce amongst parents of homosexuals, especially in the past when it was not as accepted. I also have teenagers in this valley and I have met many of their friends, yet I haven’t met any openly gay ones. That doesn’t mean there aren’t gay kids, nor does it mean that because your kids have lots of gay friends that they are all gay, it’s the reason pollsters and studies look at more than a handfull of people, small studies are inaccurate. Because they have a number of gay friends, one of two things are at play, they may be gay themselves and just haven’t gotten around to tell you or they are just extremely balanced kids and something like a persons sexuality is not taken into account when choosing friends. If either turn out to be gay, it isn’t anything you did right or wrong, it is all nature and no nurture, just accept them and love them, they were just wired that way.
This also has nothing to do with Temecula or suburbs or inner cities, many studies have been done and there is not one shred of proof that environment has anything to do with it. Neither of us are in high school so we cannot fully comprehend what it is like today, but if the acceptance of gays into straight circles of freinds is something that scares you about Temecula, I think you are looking at it wrong, it is actually a positive thing.I think has more to do with the calendar than the location, 2008 is not 2003, so comparing your other community in 2003 to your current one in 2008 is not a fair comparison, Temecula didn’t change, society did.
The only reason I didn’t rip into you was that despite being naive, you and your wife make attempts to spread a little love to wayward souls, so you get a pass, however this is not a lifetime pass, and the last time your “divorce leads to gay kids” theory will go unpunished unless you can produce a study not funded by a church.
June 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM #224829temeculaguyParticipantHarry, I know you mean well so I’ll try to put this in a nice way, actually I can’t think of a nice way, you are so completely lost with regards to gay people it borders on being cute. Many negative things can increase as a result of broken families or the lack of a stable home but homosexuality isn’t one of them (that is where strippers come from). I’ve never thought about it but there may be an increase in divorce amongst parents of homosexuals, especially in the past when it was not as accepted. I also have teenagers in this valley and I have met many of their friends, yet I haven’t met any openly gay ones. That doesn’t mean there aren’t gay kids, nor does it mean that because your kids have lots of gay friends that they are all gay, it’s the reason pollsters and studies look at more than a handfull of people, small studies are inaccurate. Because they have a number of gay friends, one of two things are at play, they may be gay themselves and just haven’t gotten around to tell you or they are just extremely balanced kids and something like a persons sexuality is not taken into account when choosing friends. If either turn out to be gay, it isn’t anything you did right or wrong, it is all nature and no nurture, just accept them and love them, they were just wired that way.
This also has nothing to do with Temecula or suburbs or inner cities, many studies have been done and there is not one shred of proof that environment has anything to do with it. Neither of us are in high school so we cannot fully comprehend what it is like today, but if the acceptance of gays into straight circles of freinds is something that scares you about Temecula, I think you are looking at it wrong, it is actually a positive thing.I think has more to do with the calendar than the location, 2008 is not 2003, so comparing your other community in 2003 to your current one in 2008 is not a fair comparison, Temecula didn’t change, society did.
The only reason I didn’t rip into you was that despite being naive, you and your wife make attempts to spread a little love to wayward souls, so you get a pass, however this is not a lifetime pass, and the last time your “divorce leads to gay kids” theory will go unpunished unless you can produce a study not funded by a church.
June 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM #224684HarryBoschParticipantWhoa, slow down. I did not say “…divorce leads to gay kids” – give me some credit for above average intelligence – yes I can claim that as I have a BA in Math from one of our local Cal State U’s.
I was just posting anecdotal information. My son is now 20 and my daughter is now 19. I know their sexual orientation now – neither is gay but I would still love them just the same.
Gotta go.
June 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM #224790HarryBoschParticipantWhoa, slow down. I did not say “…divorce leads to gay kids” – give me some credit for above average intelligence – yes I can claim that as I have a BA in Math from one of our local Cal State U’s.
I was just posting anecdotal information. My son is now 20 and my daughter is now 19. I know their sexual orientation now – neither is gay but I would still love them just the same.
Gotta go.
June 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM #224806HarryBoschParticipantWhoa, slow down. I did not say “…divorce leads to gay kids” – give me some credit for above average intelligence – yes I can claim that as I have a BA in Math from one of our local Cal State U’s.
I was just posting anecdotal information. My son is now 20 and my daughter is now 19. I know their sexual orientation now – neither is gay but I would still love them just the same.
Gotta go.
June 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM #224837HarryBoschParticipantWhoa, slow down. I did not say “…divorce leads to gay kids” – give me some credit for above average intelligence – yes I can claim that as I have a BA in Math from one of our local Cal State U’s.
I was just posting anecdotal information. My son is now 20 and my daughter is now 19. I know their sexual orientation now – neither is gay but I would still love them just the same.
Gotta go.
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