TAX TAX TAX and more TAX

[briansd1]

Aecetia, it makes economic sense that, as a group, the wealthier would support lower taxes and would be against universal health care. They can afford to pay out of pocket when they need it.

I don’t blame wealthy people for wanting to protect their interests. I’m just disappointed that they are not more compassionate.

If you look at statistics of the masses of right wing voters, they tend to come from lower-income areas.

Save for Orange County*, and Del Norte County (at the very top of the state) all the coastal counties of California went blue. The interior counties voted red.

I am dismayed at the low-income voters voting right-wing. But I’m not surprised.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/ca.htm

* Orange County went red only by about 35,000 votes, thanks largely to right-wing Vietnamese-American refugees who are anti-communist. The Vietnamese-American community ranks near the bottom of the income level and is a big recipient of welfare. There are about 1/2 million Vietnamese-Americans in Orange County.

While low-income (generally as a group) Vietnamese-American refugees tend to vote right-wing because of their experience fleeing communism.

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]Flu, it’s not about the race card. It’s about reality.

[/quote]

Maybe my trailer-trash, conservative mind is playing tricks on me, but didn’t you say quote:

[quote=briansd1]
I definitely feel that there is a racist element in the right, especially in the lower social economic strata of right wing Whites — people who would benefit greatly from Obama policies but who are vociferous opponents of Obama.
[/quote]

…How is this NOT pulling the R card?

BTW: unless you are a minority I think, well, odd, to be pulling the R card “on behalf of another minority”…What kind of precedence are you setting for minorities who don’t get their way or don’t get what they want? Are you encouraging that it’s ok for a minority to throw the R card out as needed? How would you like it, if the R card is played on you? Let’s say you’re sitting at a table, and some minority tells you to get out of his seat. And when you don’t, he/she makes a big scene accusing you of being a “racist” in public? Don’t non-minorities have enough to worry about in being politically correct all the time?…Anyway, I digress….

[quote]
Do you think that low-income Whites who have no health care are economically rational when they support the Tea Party?
[/quote]

Well, I would say the ones that actually have take time off to attend regular daily functions during weekdays are probably unemployed, regardless of political affiliations. I’m sure there are plenty of “progressives” who are unemployed who have nothing better to do that attend corresponding time wasters. People like me don’t like to mob scenes, but are exactly the ones anti-taxing-obama. And frankly, the funniest thing happened last weekend. My neighbors 2 doors down who was an ultra-democrat recently hung a sign on his windshield. Said something like

“We trusted you Obama for change. You blew it. Thanks for nothing”. I’ll take a pix next time I walkby…

I loled….

[quote]
BTW, Obama has done more for Asian Americans than any other president.

He nominated the first Asian American, Goodwin Liu (of Taiwanese descent), to the Court of Appeals. Liu is young and may one day end up on the Supreme Court.

Eugene Kang is a young adviser to Obama.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2008/12/178_36637.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A05E4D7143EF93BA25752C0A96F9C8B63&sec=&spon=&&scp=1&sq=eugene%20kang&st=cse%5B/quote%5D

That’s nice, but irrelevant…I really don’t give a crap how many asians are doing what, and don’t need a non-asian to tell me how many asians/non-asians “are doing well” or keep score. Folks do well on their own merit..period. It’s time this country and our society stop keeping score on how “minorities” need help, or how “wonderful” minorities are doing at making “progress”.
This is a progressive society isn’t it?

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]Flu, it’s not about the race card. It’s about reality.

[/quote]

Maybe my trailer-trash, conservative mind is playing tricks on me, but didn’t you say quote:

[quote=briansd1]
I definitely feel that there is a racist element in the right, especially in the lower social economic strata of right wing Whites — people who would benefit greatly from Obama policies but who are vociferous opponents of Obama.
[/quote]

…How is this NOT pulling the R card?

BTW: unless you are a minority I think, well, odd, to be pulling the R card “on behalf of another minority”…What kind of precedence are you setting for minorities who don’t get their way or don’t get what they want? Are you encouraging that it’s ok for a minority to throw the R card out as needed? How would you like it, if the R card is played on you? Let’s say you’re sitting at a table, and some minority tells you to get out of his seat. And when you don’t, he/she makes a big scene accusing you of being a “racist” in public? Don’t non-minorities have enough to worry about in being politically correct all the time?…Anyway, I digress….

[quote]
Do you think that low-income Whites who have no health care are economically rational when they support the Tea Party?
[/quote]

Well, I would say the ones that actually have take time off to attend regular daily functions during weekdays are probably unemployed, regardless of political affiliations. I’m sure there are plenty of “progressives” who are unemployed who have nothing better to do that attend corresponding time wasters. People like me don’t like to mob scenes, but are exactly the ones anti-taxing-obama. And frankly, the funniest thing happened last weekend. My neighbors 2 doors down who was an ultra-democrat recently hung a sign on his windshield. Said something like

“We trusted you Obama for change. You blew it. Thanks for nothing”. I’ll take a pix next time I walkby…

I loled….

[quote]
BTW, Obama has done more for Asian Americans than any other president.

He nominated the first Asian American, Goodwin Liu (of Taiwanese descent), to the Court of Appeals. Liu is young and may one day end up on the Supreme Court.

Eugene Kang is a young adviser to Obama.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2008/12/178_36637.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A05E4D7143EF93BA25752C0A96F9C8B63&sec=&spon=&&scp=1&sq=eugene%20kang&st=cse%5B/quote%5D

That’s nice, but irrelevant…I really don’t give a crap how many asians are doing what, and don’t need a non-asian to tell me how many asians/non-asians “are doing well” or keep score. Folks do well on their own merit..period. It’s time this country and our society stop keeping score on how “minorities” need help, or how “wonderful” minorities are doing at making “progress”.
This is a progressive society isn’t it?

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]Flu, it’s not about the race card. It’s about reality.

[/quote]

Maybe my trailer-trash, conservative mind is playing tricks on me, but didn’t you say quote:

[quote=briansd1]
I definitely feel that there is a racist element in the right, especially in the lower social economic strata of right wing Whites — people who would benefit greatly from Obama policies but who are vociferous opponents of Obama.
[/quote]

…How is this NOT pulling the R card?

BTW: unless you are a minority I think, well, odd, to be pulling the R card “on behalf of another minority”…What kind of precedence are you setting for minorities who don’t get their way or don’t get what they want? Are you encouraging that it’s ok for a minority to throw the R card out as needed? How would you like it, if the R card is played on you? Let’s say you’re sitting at a table, and some minority tells you to get out of his seat. And when you don’t, he/she makes a big scene accusing you of being a “racist” in public? Don’t non-minorities have enough to worry about in being politically correct all the time?…Anyway, I digress….

[quote]
Do you think that low-income Whites who have no health care are economically rational when they support the Tea Party?
[/quote]

Well, I would say the ones that actually have take time off to attend regular daily functions during weekdays are probably unemployed, regardless of political affiliations. I’m sure there are plenty of “progressives” who are unemployed who have nothing better to do that attend corresponding time wasters. People like me don’t like to mob scenes, but are exactly the ones anti-taxing-obama. And frankly, the funniest thing happened last weekend. My neighbors 2 doors down who was an ultra-democrat recently hung a sign on his windshield. Said something like

“We trusted you Obama for change. You blew it. Thanks for nothing”. I’ll take a pix next time I walkby…

I loled….

[quote]
BTW, Obama has done more for Asian Americans than any other president.

He nominated the first Asian American, Goodwin Liu (of Taiwanese descent), to the Court of Appeals. Liu is young and may one day end up on the Supreme Court.

Eugene Kang is a young adviser to Obama.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2008/12/178_36637.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A05E4D7143EF93BA25752C0A96F9C8B63&sec=&spon=&&scp=1&sq=eugene%20kang&st=cse%5B/quote%5D

That’s nice, but irrelevant…I really don’t give a crap how many asians are doing what, and don’t need a non-asian to tell me how many asians/non-asians “are doing well” or keep score. Folks do well on their own merit..period. It’s time this country and our society stop keeping score on how “minorities” need help, or how “wonderful” minorities are doing at making “progress”.
This is a progressive society isn’t it?

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]Flu, it’s not about the race card. It’s about reality.

[/quote]

Maybe my trailer-trash, conservative mind is playing tricks on me, but didn’t you say quote:

[quote=briansd1]
I definitely feel that there is a racist element in the right, especially in the lower social economic strata of right wing Whites — people who would benefit greatly from Obama policies but who are vociferous opponents of Obama.
[/quote]

…How is this NOT pulling the R card?

BTW: unless you are a minority I think, well, odd, to be pulling the R card “on behalf of another minority”…What kind of precedence are you setting for minorities who don’t get their way or don’t get what they want? Are you encouraging that it’s ok for a minority to throw the R card out as needed? How would you like it, if the R card is played on you? Let’s say you’re sitting at a table, and some minority tells you to get out of his seat. And when you don’t, he/she makes a big scene accusing you of being a “racist” in public? Don’t non-minorities have enough to worry about in being politically correct all the time?…Anyway, I digress….

[quote]
Do you think that low-income Whites who have no health care are economically rational when they support the Tea Party?
[/quote]

Well, I would say the ones that actually have take time off to attend regular daily functions during weekdays are probably unemployed, regardless of political affiliations. I’m sure there are plenty of “progressives” who are unemployed who have nothing better to do that attend corresponding time wasters. People like me don’t like to mob scenes, but are exactly the ones anti-taxing-obama. And frankly, the funniest thing happened last weekend. My neighbors 2 doors down who was an ultra-democrat recently hung a sign on his windshield. Said something like

“We trusted you Obama for change. You blew it. Thanks for nothing”. I’ll take a pix next time I walkby…

I loled….

[quote]
BTW, Obama has done more for Asian Americans than any other president.

He nominated the first Asian American, Goodwin Liu (of Taiwanese descent), to the Court of Appeals. Liu is young and may one day end up on the Supreme Court.

Eugene Kang is a young adviser to Obama.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2008/12/178_36637.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A05E4D7143EF93BA25752C0A96F9C8B63&sec=&spon=&&scp=1&sq=eugene%20kang&st=cse%5B/quote%5D

That’s nice, but irrelevant…I really don’t give a crap how many asians are doing what, and don’t need a non-asian to tell me how many asians/non-asians “are doing well” or keep score. Folks do well on their own merit..period. It’s time this country and our society stop keeping score on how “minorities” need help, or how “wonderful” minorities are doing at making “progress”.
This is a progressive society isn’t it?

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]Flu, it’s not about the race card. It’s about reality.

[/quote]

Maybe my trailer-trash, conservative mind is playing tricks on me, but didn’t you say quote:

[quote=briansd1]
I definitely feel that there is a racist element in the right, especially in the lower social economic strata of right wing Whites — people who would benefit greatly from Obama policies but who are vociferous opponents of Obama.
[/quote]

…How is this NOT pulling the R card?

BTW: unless you are a minority I think, well, odd, to be pulling the R card “on behalf of another minority”…What kind of precedence are you setting for minorities who don’t get their way or don’t get what they want? Are you encouraging that it’s ok for a minority to throw the R card out as needed? How would you like it, if the R card is played on you? Let’s say you’re sitting at a table, and some minority tells you to get out of his seat. And when you don’t, he/she makes a big scene accusing you of being a “racist” in public? Don’t non-minorities have enough to worry about in being politically correct all the time?…Anyway, I digress….

[quote]
Do you think that low-income Whites who have no health care are economically rational when they support the Tea Party?
[/quote]

Well, I would say the ones that actually have take time off to attend regular daily functions during weekdays are probably unemployed, regardless of political affiliations. I’m sure there are plenty of “progressives” who are unemployed who have nothing better to do that attend corresponding time wasters. People like me don’t like to mob scenes, but are exactly the ones anti-taxing-obama. And frankly, the funniest thing happened last weekend. My neighbors 2 doors down who was an ultra-democrat recently hung a sign on his windshield. Said something like

“We trusted you Obama for change. You blew it. Thanks for nothing”. I’ll take a pix next time I walkby…

I loled….

[quote]
BTW, Obama has done more for Asian Americans than any other president.

He nominated the first Asian American, Goodwin Liu (of Taiwanese descent), to the Court of Appeals. Liu is young and may one day end up on the Supreme Court.

Eugene Kang is a young adviser to Obama.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2008/12/178_36637.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A05E4D7143EF93BA25752C0A96F9C8B63&sec=&spon=&&scp=1&sq=eugene%20kang&st=cse%5B/quote%5D

That’s nice, but irrelevant…I really don’t give a crap how many asians are doing what, and don’t need a non-asian to tell me how many asians/non-asians “are doing well” or keep score. Folks do well on their own merit..period. It’s time this country and our society stop keeping score on how “minorities” need help, or how “wonderful” minorities are doing at making “progress”.
This is a progressive society isn’t it?

[all]

[quote=Aecetia]I must have missed it. I thought flu said, buy and ship from abroad. I would support VAT if it completely replaced both State and Federal Income Tax.

Today I heard that the new financial bill that is making the rounds may have a transaction tax built in for certain trades: Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called for the creation of a tax on financial transaction to help reduce the deficit.

“At a time when the deficit is rising, we must find ways to reduce the debt without putting a heavy burden on average Americans or cutting necessary services,” he said. “A small transaction tax can raise substantial funds with virtually no effect on middle-class families. And it has the added effect of dampening down overly speculative trading, which is partially to blame for the recent economic crash.” Harkin joined Wall Street and economic experts as well as labor leaders and consumer advocates in calling for the tax.

That should put a damper on the recovery.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/92801-harkin-calls-for-tax-on-financial-transactions%5B/quote%5D

How does taxation of speculative trading impact the recovery?

[all]

[quote=Aecetia]I must have missed it. I thought flu said, buy and ship from abroad. I would support VAT if it completely replaced both State and Federal Income Tax.

Today I heard that the new financial bill that is making the rounds may have a transaction tax built in for certain trades: Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called for the creation of a tax on financial transaction to help reduce the deficit.

“At a time when the deficit is rising, we must find ways to reduce the debt without putting a heavy burden on average Americans or cutting necessary services,” he said. “A small transaction tax can raise substantial funds with virtually no effect on middle-class families. And it has the added effect of dampening down overly speculative trading, which is partially to blame for the recent economic crash.” Harkin joined Wall Street and economic experts as well as labor leaders and consumer advocates in calling for the tax.

That should put a damper on the recovery.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/92801-harkin-calls-for-tax-on-financial-transactions%5B/quote%5D

How does taxation of speculative trading impact the recovery?

[all]

[quote=Aecetia]I must have missed it. I thought flu said, buy and ship from abroad. I would support VAT if it completely replaced both State and Federal Income Tax.

Today I heard that the new financial bill that is making the rounds may have a transaction tax built in for certain trades: Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called for the creation of a tax on financial transaction to help reduce the deficit.

“At a time when the deficit is rising, we must find ways to reduce the debt without putting a heavy burden on average Americans or cutting necessary services,” he said. “A small transaction tax can raise substantial funds with virtually no effect on middle-class families. And it has the added effect of dampening down overly speculative trading, which is partially to blame for the recent economic crash.” Harkin joined Wall Street and economic experts as well as labor leaders and consumer advocates in calling for the tax.

That should put a damper on the recovery.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/92801-harkin-calls-for-tax-on-financial-transactions%5B/quote%5D

How does taxation of speculative trading impact the recovery?

[all]

[quote=Aecetia]I must have missed it. I thought flu said, buy and ship from abroad. I would support VAT if it completely replaced both State and Federal Income Tax.

Today I heard that the new financial bill that is making the rounds may have a transaction tax built in for certain trades: Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called for the creation of a tax on financial transaction to help reduce the deficit.

“At a time when the deficit is rising, we must find ways to reduce the debt without putting a heavy burden on average Americans or cutting necessary services,” he said. “A small transaction tax can raise substantial funds with virtually no effect on middle-class families. And it has the added effect of dampening down overly speculative trading, which is partially to blame for the recent economic crash.” Harkin joined Wall Street and economic experts as well as labor leaders and consumer advocates in calling for the tax.

That should put a damper on the recovery.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/92801-harkin-calls-for-tax-on-financial-transactions%5B/quote%5D

How does taxation of speculative trading impact the recovery?

[all]

[quote=Aecetia]I must have missed it. I thought flu said, buy and ship from abroad. I would support VAT if it completely replaced both State and Federal Income Tax.

Today I heard that the new financial bill that is making the rounds may have a transaction tax built in for certain trades: Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called for the creation of a tax on financial transaction to help reduce the deficit.

“At a time when the deficit is rising, we must find ways to reduce the debt without putting a heavy burden on average Americans or cutting necessary services,” he said. “A small transaction tax can raise substantial funds with virtually no effect on middle-class families. And it has the added effect of dampening down overly speculative trading, which is partially to blame for the recent economic crash.” Harkin joined Wall Street and economic experts as well as labor leaders and consumer advocates in calling for the tax.

That should put a damper on the recovery.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/92801-harkin-calls-for-tax-on-financial-transactions%5B/quote%5D

How does taxation of speculative trading impact the recovery?

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
…How is this NOT pulling the R card?[/quote]

I’m not pulling the race card as a trump card to declare the game over and win the card game.

The race card in this case is just like any another card.

Race is part of reality. We need to confront it and examine our individual biases as well as society’s flaws.

Look at the evidence. Look at the where the right-wing votes come from and where the right-wing movements start and take on the most fiery fervor.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
…How is this NOT pulling the R card?[/quote]

I’m not pulling the race card as a trump card to declare the game over and win the card game.

The race card in this case is just like any another card.

Race is part of reality. We need to confront it and examine our individual biases as well as society’s flaws.

Look at the evidence. Look at the where the right-wing votes come from and where the right-wing movements start and take on the most fiery fervor.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
…How is this NOT pulling the R card?[/quote]

I’m not pulling the race card as a trump card to declare the game over and win the card game.

The race card in this case is just like any another card.

Race is part of reality. We need to confront it and examine our individual biases as well as society’s flaws.

Look at the evidence. Look at the where the right-wing votes come from and where the right-wing movements start and take on the most fiery fervor.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
…How is this NOT pulling the R card?[/quote]

I’m not pulling the race card as a trump card to declare the game over and win the card game.

The race card in this case is just like any another card.

Race is part of reality. We need to confront it and examine our individual biases as well as society’s flaws.

Look at the evidence. Look at the where the right-wing votes come from and where the right-wing movements start and take on the most fiery fervor.

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