Surreal State of the State Speech

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality]
The other solution, is equally simple, remember the hubbub over the raids back in 2008 in Iowa with hundreds arrest at the packing plant? Well, why didn’t the C-level get jail time?

We the C-level of small and medium business figure out they can go to jail for having an illegal workforce, it’ll correct.[/quote]

Could not agree more.

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=CA renter]
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?[/quote]
Trotting that out again?

Did I say overpaid? – no.
Did I say easy? -no.

Did I say, making $65K plus 15% bonus? – Yes.

Did I say possibly getting $3000 for bilingual – Yes.

It’s kind of like the firefighters, you want to argue their salary schedule and poverty in spite of their W-2s showing six figures.

Can we have a honest discussion about how much the teacher’s really make?

Seriously, the schools should publish actual reported W-2 earnings sans names. kind of like Chang did for the cities and counties.[/quote]

Okay, let’s say we want to determine how much doctors make (or engineers, or…pick your occupation). I would consider the “average” earnings for workers who had the “standard” qualifications, and worked the “standard” schedule. Anything in addition to this (overtime, bonuses, additional compensation for qualifications above those required for the job, etc.) would be “potential” extra income.

They would have to go above and beyond their normal duties in order to earn this extra income; therefore, I would not include it when discussing earnings for certain occupations UNLESS these extra jobs/qualifications (and income) were addressed as separate from the “standard” earnings.

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=CA renter]
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?[/quote]
Trotting that out again?

Did I say overpaid? – no.
Did I say easy? -no.

Did I say, making $65K plus 15% bonus? – Yes.

Did I say possibly getting $3000 for bilingual – Yes.

It’s kind of like the firefighters, you want to argue their salary schedule and poverty in spite of their W-2s showing six figures.

Can we have a honest discussion about how much the teacher’s really make?

Seriously, the schools should publish actual reported W-2 earnings sans names. kind of like Chang did for the cities and counties.[/quote]

Okay, let’s say we want to determine how much doctors make (or engineers, or…pick your occupation). I would consider the “average” earnings for workers who had the “standard” qualifications, and worked the “standard” schedule. Anything in addition to this (overtime, bonuses, additional compensation for qualifications above those required for the job, etc.) would be “potential” extra income.

They would have to go above and beyond their normal duties in order to earn this extra income; therefore, I would not include it when discussing earnings for certain occupations UNLESS these extra jobs/qualifications (and income) were addressed as separate from the “standard” earnings.

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=CA renter]
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?[/quote]
Trotting that out again?

Did I say overpaid? – no.
Did I say easy? -no.

Did I say, making $65K plus 15% bonus? – Yes.

Did I say possibly getting $3000 for bilingual – Yes.

It’s kind of like the firefighters, you want to argue their salary schedule and poverty in spite of their W-2s showing six figures.

Can we have a honest discussion about how much the teacher’s really make?

Seriously, the schools should publish actual reported W-2 earnings sans names. kind of like Chang did for the cities and counties.[/quote]

Okay, let’s say we want to determine how much doctors make (or engineers, or…pick your occupation). I would consider the “average” earnings for workers who had the “standard” qualifications, and worked the “standard” schedule. Anything in addition to this (overtime, bonuses, additional compensation for qualifications above those required for the job, etc.) would be “potential” extra income.

They would have to go above and beyond their normal duties in order to earn this extra income; therefore, I would not include it when discussing earnings for certain occupations UNLESS these extra jobs/qualifications (and income) were addressed as separate from the “standard” earnings.

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=CA renter]
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?[/quote]
Trotting that out again?

Did I say overpaid? – no.
Did I say easy? -no.

Did I say, making $65K plus 15% bonus? – Yes.

Did I say possibly getting $3000 for bilingual – Yes.

It’s kind of like the firefighters, you want to argue their salary schedule and poverty in spite of their W-2s showing six figures.

Can we have a honest discussion about how much the teacher’s really make?

Seriously, the schools should publish actual reported W-2 earnings sans names. kind of like Chang did for the cities and counties.[/quote]

Okay, let’s say we want to determine how much doctors make (or engineers, or…pick your occupation). I would consider the “average” earnings for workers who had the “standard” qualifications, and worked the “standard” schedule. Anything in addition to this (overtime, bonuses, additional compensation for qualifications above those required for the job, etc.) would be “potential” extra income.

They would have to go above and beyond their normal duties in order to earn this extra income; therefore, I would not include it when discussing earnings for certain occupations UNLESS these extra jobs/qualifications (and income) were addressed as separate from the “standard” earnings.

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=CA renter]
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?[/quote]
Trotting that out again?

Did I say overpaid? – no.
Did I say easy? -no.

Did I say, making $65K plus 15% bonus? – Yes.

Did I say possibly getting $3000 for bilingual – Yes.

It’s kind of like the firefighters, you want to argue their salary schedule and poverty in spite of their W-2s showing six figures.

Can we have a honest discussion about how much the teacher’s really make?

Seriously, the schools should publish actual reported W-2 earnings sans names. kind of like Chang did for the cities and counties.[/quote]

Okay, let’s say we want to determine how much doctors make (or engineers, or…pick your occupation). I would consider the “average” earnings for workers who had the “standard” qualifications, and worked the “standard” schedule. Anything in addition to this (overtime, bonuses, additional compensation for qualifications above those required for the job, etc.) would be “potential” extra income.

They would have to go above and beyond their normal duties in order to earn this extra income; therefore, I would not include it when discussing earnings for certain occupations UNLESS these extra jobs/qualifications (and income) were addressed as separate from the “standard” earnings.

[Anonymous]

Brutus says,
I like this, but without the new taxes:

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..
1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)
2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)
3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.
4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such
5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)
6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)
7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)
8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)
9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)
10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)
I ended up with a $234 million surplus.

I might also add that ALL forms of aid to illegal immigrants be OUTLAWED, Send them back to Mexico, the good with the bad, young and old. Rescind the “anchor baby” clause. Any child born in the US to a non-citizen should NOT be considered a citizen of the US and should be deported with his/her parents.
Take some of those ICE people who are spending their work-time on the lookout for Cuban cigars and other ridiculous contraband and put them on the friggin’ southern border. America for Americans, Mexico for Mexicans, Honduras for Hondurans, etc…

What’s amusing is how so many Mexicans “love” their homeland, but they can’t wait to get the hell out of there!

[Anonymous]

Brutus says,
I like this, but without the new taxes:

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..
1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)
2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)
3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.
4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such
5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)
6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)
7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)
8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)
9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)
10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)
I ended up with a $234 million surplus.

I might also add that ALL forms of aid to illegal immigrants be OUTLAWED, Send them back to Mexico, the good with the bad, young and old. Rescind the “anchor baby” clause. Any child born in the US to a non-citizen should NOT be considered a citizen of the US and should be deported with his/her parents.
Take some of those ICE people who are spending their work-time on the lookout for Cuban cigars and other ridiculous contraband and put them on the friggin’ southern border. America for Americans, Mexico for Mexicans, Honduras for Hondurans, etc…

What’s amusing is how so many Mexicans “love” their homeland, but they can’t wait to get the hell out of there!

[Anonymous]

Brutus says,
I like this, but without the new taxes:

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..
1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)
2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)
3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.
4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such
5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)
6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)
7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)
8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)
9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)
10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)
I ended up with a $234 million surplus.

I might also add that ALL forms of aid to illegal immigrants be OUTLAWED, Send them back to Mexico, the good with the bad, young and old. Rescind the “anchor baby” clause. Any child born in the US to a non-citizen should NOT be considered a citizen of the US and should be deported with his/her parents.
Take some of those ICE people who are spending their work-time on the lookout for Cuban cigars and other ridiculous contraband and put them on the friggin’ southern border. America for Americans, Mexico for Mexicans, Honduras for Hondurans, etc…

What’s amusing is how so many Mexicans “love” their homeland, but they can’t wait to get the hell out of there!

[Anonymous]

Brutus says,
I like this, but without the new taxes:

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..
1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)
2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)
3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.
4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such
5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)
6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)
7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)
8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)
9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)
10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)
I ended up with a $234 million surplus.

I might also add that ALL forms of aid to illegal immigrants be OUTLAWED, Send them back to Mexico, the good with the bad, young and old. Rescind the “anchor baby” clause. Any child born in the US to a non-citizen should NOT be considered a citizen of the US and should be deported with his/her parents.
Take some of those ICE people who are spending their work-time on the lookout for Cuban cigars and other ridiculous contraband and put them on the friggin’ southern border. America for Americans, Mexico for Mexicans, Honduras for Hondurans, etc…

What’s amusing is how so many Mexicans “love” their homeland, but they can’t wait to get the hell out of there!

[Anonymous]

Brutus says,
I like this, but without the new taxes:

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..
1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)
2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)
3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.
4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such
5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)
6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)
7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)
8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)
9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)
10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)
I ended up with a $234 million surplus.

I might also add that ALL forms of aid to illegal immigrants be OUTLAWED, Send them back to Mexico, the good with the bad, young and old. Rescind the “anchor baby” clause. Any child born in the US to a non-citizen should NOT be considered a citizen of the US and should be deported with his/her parents.
Take some of those ICE people who are spending their work-time on the lookout for Cuban cigars and other ridiculous contraband and put them on the friggin’ southern border. America for Americans, Mexico for Mexicans, Honduras for Hondurans, etc…

What’s amusing is how so many Mexicans “love” their homeland, but they can’t wait to get the hell out of there!

[Anonymous]

[quote=EconProf]Good points Allan, and I’d add another: short-termism. We all want current benefits from government, whether lower taxes or government spending, and we ignor to long-term costs.
Our pension tsunami is the result of politicians promising mind-numbing increases that would all take effect years later. The savvy unions that extracted these committments knew they just hugely raised the lifetime income of their members. The complacent public and asleep media let it happen, and are now waking up to the cost that now must be paid.
The same can be said about social security, the recent “bailouts”, and impossible math of Obamacare.[/quote]

Social Security is not an entitlement, it is a right. It’s not the same as section 8 housing or welfare, or food stamps. If you have been paying into the system for 40 years or so, like I have, then you deserve to receive what was promised for your investment. Otherwise, just eliminate SS entirely and stop taxing me and everyone else for it.

To receive welfare, you need pay NOTHING into the system. It is a handout, kind of like giving money to a beggar. Handouts should be left to charitable organizations, not the government.

Lower taxes is also a right, because we have a constitution which protects us from unreasonable seizure of assets. Unfortunately, many leftists feel that one does not have the right to one’s time or life: the hours and effort one gives up to make money. To take a person’s money is to take a bit of their life (at least for working people which is most people).
Keep your hands off my life.

[Anonymous]

[quote=EconProf]Good points Allan, and I’d add another: short-termism. We all want current benefits from government, whether lower taxes or government spending, and we ignor to long-term costs.
Our pension tsunami is the result of politicians promising mind-numbing increases that would all take effect years later. The savvy unions that extracted these committments knew they just hugely raised the lifetime income of their members. The complacent public and asleep media let it happen, and are now waking up to the cost that now must be paid.
The same can be said about social security, the recent “bailouts”, and impossible math of Obamacare.[/quote]

Social Security is not an entitlement, it is a right. It’s not the same as section 8 housing or welfare, or food stamps. If you have been paying into the system for 40 years or so, like I have, then you deserve to receive what was promised for your investment. Otherwise, just eliminate SS entirely and stop taxing me and everyone else for it.

To receive welfare, you need pay NOTHING into the system. It is a handout, kind of like giving money to a beggar. Handouts should be left to charitable organizations, not the government.

Lower taxes is also a right, because we have a constitution which protects us from unreasonable seizure of assets. Unfortunately, many leftists feel that one does not have the right to one’s time or life: the hours and effort one gives up to make money. To take a person’s money is to take a bit of their life (at least for working people which is most people).
Keep your hands off my life.

[Anonymous]

[quote=EconProf]Good points Allan, and I’d add another: short-termism. We all want current benefits from government, whether lower taxes or government spending, and we ignor to long-term costs.
Our pension tsunami is the result of politicians promising mind-numbing increases that would all take effect years later. The savvy unions that extracted these committments knew they just hugely raised the lifetime income of their members. The complacent public and asleep media let it happen, and are now waking up to the cost that now must be paid.
The same can be said about social security, the recent “bailouts”, and impossible math of Obamacare.[/quote]

Social Security is not an entitlement, it is a right. It’s not the same as section 8 housing or welfare, or food stamps. If you have been paying into the system for 40 years or so, like I have, then you deserve to receive what was promised for your investment. Otherwise, just eliminate SS entirely and stop taxing me and everyone else for it.

To receive welfare, you need pay NOTHING into the system. It is a handout, kind of like giving money to a beggar. Handouts should be left to charitable organizations, not the government.

Lower taxes is also a right, because we have a constitution which protects us from unreasonable seizure of assets. Unfortunately, many leftists feel that one does not have the right to one’s time or life: the hours and effort one gives up to make money. To take a person’s money is to take a bit of their life (at least for working people which is most people).
Keep your hands off my life.

[Anonymous]

[quote=EconProf]Good points Allan, and I’d add another: short-termism. We all want current benefits from government, whether lower taxes or government spending, and we ignor to long-term costs.
Our pension tsunami is the result of politicians promising mind-numbing increases that would all take effect years later. The savvy unions that extracted these committments knew they just hugely raised the lifetime income of their members. The complacent public and asleep media let it happen, and are now waking up to the cost that now must be paid.
The same can be said about social security, the recent “bailouts”, and impossible math of Obamacare.[/quote]

Social Security is not an entitlement, it is a right. It’s not the same as section 8 housing or welfare, or food stamps. If you have been paying into the system for 40 years or so, like I have, then you deserve to receive what was promised for your investment. Otherwise, just eliminate SS entirely and stop taxing me and everyone else for it.

To receive welfare, you need pay NOTHING into the system. It is a handout, kind of like giving money to a beggar. Handouts should be left to charitable organizations, not the government.

Lower taxes is also a right, because we have a constitution which protects us from unreasonable seizure of assets. Unfortunately, many leftists feel that one does not have the right to one’s time or life: the hours and effort one gives up to make money. To take a person’s money is to take a bit of their life (at least for working people which is most people).
Keep your hands off my life.

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