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February 27, 2008 at 2:59 PM #161464February 27, 2008 at 3:14 PM #161087EnorahParticipant
I’ll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said…….”I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things.”
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
February 27, 2008 at 3:14 PM #161384EnorahParticipantI’ll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said…….”I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things.”
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
February 27, 2008 at 3:14 PM #161397EnorahParticipantI’ll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said…….”I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things.”
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
February 27, 2008 at 3:14 PM #161415EnorahParticipantI’ll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said…….”I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things.”
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
February 27, 2008 at 3:14 PM #161484EnorahParticipantI’ll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said…….”I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things.”
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161092nostradamusParticipantlooking at recruitment numbers now and the lowering of standards, can you really say that, "the best of" blah blah with a straight face?
I see them as people, just like everyone else, no better or worse than everyone trying to get by. In the old day these guys would get a lot of respect, and I suppose that in order to do the things they are asked to do they need some sense of pride and righteousness otherwise they'll always be questioning their orders. It's in the command chain's best interest if they perpetuate this feeling of being the "best of the best". They may have freed our country long ago but we have not fought in a defensive war since the American revolution (which, according to some, was sparked by outrage against the central bank of England).
Wow, this is becoming a whole other topic.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161389nostradamusParticipantlooking at recruitment numbers now and the lowering of standards, can you really say that, "the best of" blah blah with a straight face?
I see them as people, just like everyone else, no better or worse than everyone trying to get by. In the old day these guys would get a lot of respect, and I suppose that in order to do the things they are asked to do they need some sense of pride and righteousness otherwise they'll always be questioning their orders. It's in the command chain's best interest if they perpetuate this feeling of being the "best of the best". They may have freed our country long ago but we have not fought in a defensive war since the American revolution (which, according to some, was sparked by outrage against the central bank of England).
Wow, this is becoming a whole other topic.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161402nostradamusParticipantlooking at recruitment numbers now and the lowering of standards, can you really say that, "the best of" blah blah with a straight face?
I see them as people, just like everyone else, no better or worse than everyone trying to get by. In the old day these guys would get a lot of respect, and I suppose that in order to do the things they are asked to do they need some sense of pride and righteousness otherwise they'll always be questioning their orders. It's in the command chain's best interest if they perpetuate this feeling of being the "best of the best". They may have freed our country long ago but we have not fought in a defensive war since the American revolution (which, according to some, was sparked by outrage against the central bank of England).
Wow, this is becoming a whole other topic.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161420nostradamusParticipantlooking at recruitment numbers now and the lowering of standards, can you really say that, "the best of" blah blah with a straight face?
I see them as people, just like everyone else, no better or worse than everyone trying to get by. In the old day these guys would get a lot of respect, and I suppose that in order to do the things they are asked to do they need some sense of pride and righteousness otherwise they'll always be questioning their orders. It's in the command chain's best interest if they perpetuate this feeling of being the "best of the best". They may have freed our country long ago but we have not fought in a defensive war since the American revolution (which, according to some, was sparked by outrage against the central bank of England).
Wow, this is becoming a whole other topic.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161489nostradamusParticipantlooking at recruitment numbers now and the lowering of standards, can you really say that, "the best of" blah blah with a straight face?
I see them as people, just like everyone else, no better or worse than everyone trying to get by. In the old day these guys would get a lot of respect, and I suppose that in order to do the things they are asked to do they need some sense of pride and righteousness otherwise they'll always be questioning their orders. It's in the command chain's best interest if they perpetuate this feeling of being the "best of the best". They may have freed our country long ago but we have not fought in a defensive war since the American revolution (which, according to some, was sparked by outrage against the central bank of England).
Wow, this is becoming a whole other topic.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161103CMcGParticipantWhat I can’t get over is that he apparently penned the suicide notes before he raped the women. Why didn’t he just shoot himself? Why did he have to hurt others, as well? Perhaps he needed an “excuse” to kill himself by performing these heinous crimes. Maybe he was hoping for “suicide by cop.” Maybe the suicide notes have the answers. But in all likelihood, we will never know.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161399CMcGParticipantWhat I can’t get over is that he apparently penned the suicide notes before he raped the women. Why didn’t he just shoot himself? Why did he have to hurt others, as well? Perhaps he needed an “excuse” to kill himself by performing these heinous crimes. Maybe he was hoping for “suicide by cop.” Maybe the suicide notes have the answers. But in all likelihood, we will never know.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161411CMcGParticipantWhat I can’t get over is that he apparently penned the suicide notes before he raped the women. Why didn’t he just shoot himself? Why did he have to hurt others, as well? Perhaps he needed an “excuse” to kill himself by performing these heinous crimes. Maybe he was hoping for “suicide by cop.” Maybe the suicide notes have the answers. But in all likelihood, we will never know.
February 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM #161430CMcGParticipantWhat I can’t get over is that he apparently penned the suicide notes before he raped the women. Why didn’t he just shoot himself? Why did he have to hurt others, as well? Perhaps he needed an “excuse” to kill himself by performing these heinous crimes. Maybe he was hoping for “suicide by cop.” Maybe the suicide notes have the answers. But in all likelihood, we will never know.
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