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May 25, 2008 at 4:20 PM #12847May 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM #211337
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Some great insights here, especially for real estate investors who want to be ahead of the curve in picking places to invest in, or to work in.
Most telling was the comment that the emerging growth will be between the two coasts. If so, that would mark a reversal of the trend of the past few decades. All the big money in real estate appreciation has been in the land-scarce big cities abutting, and constrained by, water. Think Manhattan.
Now, perhaps, a sea-change has occurred in which the interior of the country will get the growth and jobs. Any future real estate price runups will be constrained because the appreciation in values was largely a land price runup. Building costs don’t vary that much region to region, but land values do, and this has favored coastal cities such as San Diego. Come to think of it, all the cities with an explosion in real estate values were on the water, except Vegas.
I would further refine the article’s conclusion to distinguish between the healthy, dynamic, low-unemployment states in the interior and the rust-belt upper midwest and northeast. The latter have lousy weather, strong unions, high taxes, and a big government mentality, generally speaking. The states west of the Mississipi and much of the South, on the other hand, have the pro-growth, limited government ingredients necessary for an optimistic future. Now, based on this article, they may also have long term industrial trends in their favor.May 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM #211408EconProf
ParticipantBobS
Some great insights here, especially for real estate investors who want to be ahead of the curve in picking places to invest in, or to work in.
Most telling was the comment that the emerging growth will be between the two coasts. If so, that would mark a reversal of the trend of the past few decades. All the big money in real estate appreciation has been in the land-scarce big cities abutting, and constrained by, water. Think Manhattan.
Now, perhaps, a sea-change has occurred in which the interior of the country will get the growth and jobs. Any future real estate price runups will be constrained because the appreciation in values was largely a land price runup. Building costs don’t vary that much region to region, but land values do, and this has favored coastal cities such as San Diego. Come to think of it, all the cities with an explosion in real estate values were on the water, except Vegas.
I would further refine the article’s conclusion to distinguish between the healthy, dynamic, low-unemployment states in the interior and the rust-belt upper midwest and northeast. The latter have lousy weather, strong unions, high taxes, and a big government mentality, generally speaking. The states west of the Mississipi and much of the South, on the other hand, have the pro-growth, limited government ingredients necessary for an optimistic future. Now, based on this article, they may also have long term industrial trends in their favor.May 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM #211437EconProf
ParticipantBobS
Some great insights here, especially for real estate investors who want to be ahead of the curve in picking places to invest in, or to work in.
Most telling was the comment that the emerging growth will be between the two coasts. If so, that would mark a reversal of the trend of the past few decades. All the big money in real estate appreciation has been in the land-scarce big cities abutting, and constrained by, water. Think Manhattan.
Now, perhaps, a sea-change has occurred in which the interior of the country will get the growth and jobs. Any future real estate price runups will be constrained because the appreciation in values was largely a land price runup. Building costs don’t vary that much region to region, but land values do, and this has favored coastal cities such as San Diego. Come to think of it, all the cities with an explosion in real estate values were on the water, except Vegas.
I would further refine the article’s conclusion to distinguish between the healthy, dynamic, low-unemployment states in the interior and the rust-belt upper midwest and northeast. The latter have lousy weather, strong unions, high taxes, and a big government mentality, generally speaking. The states west of the Mississipi and much of the South, on the other hand, have the pro-growth, limited government ingredients necessary for an optimistic future. Now, based on this article, they may also have long term industrial trends in their favor.May 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM #211458EconProf
ParticipantBobS
Some great insights here, especially for real estate investors who want to be ahead of the curve in picking places to invest in, or to work in.
Most telling was the comment that the emerging growth will be between the two coasts. If so, that would mark a reversal of the trend of the past few decades. All the big money in real estate appreciation has been in the land-scarce big cities abutting, and constrained by, water. Think Manhattan.
Now, perhaps, a sea-change has occurred in which the interior of the country will get the growth and jobs. Any future real estate price runups will be constrained because the appreciation in values was largely a land price runup. Building costs don’t vary that much region to region, but land values do, and this has favored coastal cities such as San Diego. Come to think of it, all the cities with an explosion in real estate values were on the water, except Vegas.
I would further refine the article’s conclusion to distinguish between the healthy, dynamic, low-unemployment states in the interior and the rust-belt upper midwest and northeast. The latter have lousy weather, strong unions, high taxes, and a big government mentality, generally speaking. The states west of the Mississipi and much of the South, on the other hand, have the pro-growth, limited government ingredients necessary for an optimistic future. Now, based on this article, they may also have long term industrial trends in their favor.May 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM #211492EconProf
ParticipantBobS
Some great insights here, especially for real estate investors who want to be ahead of the curve in picking places to invest in, or to work in.
Most telling was the comment that the emerging growth will be between the two coasts. If so, that would mark a reversal of the trend of the past few decades. All the big money in real estate appreciation has been in the land-scarce big cities abutting, and constrained by, water. Think Manhattan.
Now, perhaps, a sea-change has occurred in which the interior of the country will get the growth and jobs. Any future real estate price runups will be constrained because the appreciation in values was largely a land price runup. Building costs don’t vary that much region to region, but land values do, and this has favored coastal cities such as San Diego. Come to think of it, all the cities with an explosion in real estate values were on the water, except Vegas.
I would further refine the article’s conclusion to distinguish between the healthy, dynamic, low-unemployment states in the interior and the rust-belt upper midwest and northeast. The latter have lousy weather, strong unions, high taxes, and a big government mentality, generally speaking. The states west of the Mississipi and much of the South, on the other hand, have the pro-growth, limited government ingredients necessary for an optimistic future. Now, based on this article, they may also have long term industrial trends in their favor.May 27, 2008 at 9:48 AM #211968Ex-SD
ParticipantBobS: You are correct. I moved to the Up-Country part of South Carolina (Greenville-Spartanburg area) three years ago after living in San Diego for 30 years. Houses are inexpensive, land is plentiful and business is booming in all sectors. In fact, it’s growing faster than I would like but it’s better to have prosperity than famine. We moved here when we were convinced that housing in SoCal was going to crash and with the intent of staying here until at least 2012, when we believe that prices would bottom out. We will take a hard look at SD prices in 2012 and decide if we want to move back.
Anyone who is looking for opportunities as an investor with rental homes or thinking of starting a business, the area between Charlotte, NC and Atlanta GA (we’re right in-between both cities off of I-85) is booming and is very pro-business.May 27, 2008 at 9:48 AM #212040Ex-SD
ParticipantBobS: You are correct. I moved to the Up-Country part of South Carolina (Greenville-Spartanburg area) three years ago after living in San Diego for 30 years. Houses are inexpensive, land is plentiful and business is booming in all sectors. In fact, it’s growing faster than I would like but it’s better to have prosperity than famine. We moved here when we were convinced that housing in SoCal was going to crash and with the intent of staying here until at least 2012, when we believe that prices would bottom out. We will take a hard look at SD prices in 2012 and decide if we want to move back.
Anyone who is looking for opportunities as an investor with rental homes or thinking of starting a business, the area between Charlotte, NC and Atlanta GA (we’re right in-between both cities off of I-85) is booming and is very pro-business.May 27, 2008 at 9:48 AM #212068Ex-SD
ParticipantBobS: You are correct. I moved to the Up-Country part of South Carolina (Greenville-Spartanburg area) three years ago after living in San Diego for 30 years. Houses are inexpensive, land is plentiful and business is booming in all sectors. In fact, it’s growing faster than I would like but it’s better to have prosperity than famine. We moved here when we were convinced that housing in SoCal was going to crash and with the intent of staying here until at least 2012, when we believe that prices would bottom out. We will take a hard look at SD prices in 2012 and decide if we want to move back.
Anyone who is looking for opportunities as an investor with rental homes or thinking of starting a business, the area between Charlotte, NC and Atlanta GA (we’re right in-between both cities off of I-85) is booming and is very pro-business.May 27, 2008 at 9:48 AM #212090Ex-SD
ParticipantBobS: You are correct. I moved to the Up-Country part of South Carolina (Greenville-Spartanburg area) three years ago after living in San Diego for 30 years. Houses are inexpensive, land is plentiful and business is booming in all sectors. In fact, it’s growing faster than I would like but it’s better to have prosperity than famine. We moved here when we were convinced that housing in SoCal was going to crash and with the intent of staying here until at least 2012, when we believe that prices would bottom out. We will take a hard look at SD prices in 2012 and decide if we want to move back.
Anyone who is looking for opportunities as an investor with rental homes or thinking of starting a business, the area between Charlotte, NC and Atlanta GA (we’re right in-between both cities off of I-85) is booming and is very pro-business.May 27, 2008 at 9:48 AM #212121Ex-SD
ParticipantBobS: You are correct. I moved to the Up-Country part of South Carolina (Greenville-Spartanburg area) three years ago after living in San Diego for 30 years. Houses are inexpensive, land is plentiful and business is booming in all sectors. In fact, it’s growing faster than I would like but it’s better to have prosperity than famine. We moved here when we were convinced that housing in SoCal was going to crash and with the intent of staying here until at least 2012, when we believe that prices would bottom out. We will take a hard look at SD prices in 2012 and decide if we want to move back.
Anyone who is looking for opportunities as an investor with rental homes or thinking of starting a business, the area between Charlotte, NC and Atlanta GA (we’re right in-between both cities off of I-85) is booming and is very pro-business. -
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