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December 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM #20371December 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM #756191UCGalParticipant
the psychiatrist who was paid 822,302, was paid mostly for vacation time not taken. Elsewhere in the article it suggests his pay was about $400k/year. (Still high, but not *as* outrageous).
A fix for the excessive vacation pay would be to apply the CA labor law minimums to state employees. CA Law says that employers must allow employees to be able to care over 1.5x their annual vacation time. I know because my company allows only 40 hours to be rolled over from each calendar year – except in CA, where the law is different.
So if an employee has 3 weeks vacation/year – they could carry over up to 4.5 weeks of unused time, if the company sets this policy.
The article also suggests that CA’s excess vacation time is in part due to the unpaid furloughs state workers had to go through. They were required to use unpaid furlough time BEFORE using vacation time. so less vacation time was actually used,… and it accumulated.
I’m not suggesting these guys aren’t overpaid. I’m just looking at the details of the numbers.
December 12, 2012 at 1:36 PM #756192anParticipantUCGal, just so I read your post correctly, you’re saying that the guy’s pay is $400k but after vacation payout, his pay went up to $822k? That’s 100% increase from vacation pay? Who can save a year’s worth of vacation?
December 12, 2012 at 1:39 PM #756193CoronitaParticipantThe other option is to do what my company has done. Eliminate paid vacation completely….
December 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM #756194CoronitaParticipantThe good news is the person probably gonna paid a shitload of taxes in 2012 and 2013…
December 12, 2012 at 1:48 PM #756195UCGalParticipant[quote=AN]UCGal, just so I read your post correctly, you’re saying that the guy’s pay is $400k but after vacation payout, his pay went up to $822k? That’s 100% increase from vacation pay? Who can save a year’s worth of vacation?[/quote]
The state apparently doesn’t have a “use it or lose it” policy.
And he “apparently” was working 17 hour days because they cut back staff and increased patients… so he had more shifts.I just read the article.
I have coworkers who would have way more than a years salary in vacation pay if we didn’t cap at 1.5x the annual accrual. They’ve stopped accruing because they hit the cap a long time ago. They are workaholics who never take time off.
(I don’t have that problem. LOL)December 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM #756198SD SquatterParticipantYeah, let’s raise some more taxes, it’s for saving the middle class, for the kids, or something…
December 12, 2012 at 1:56 PM #756199anParticipant[quote=UCGal]I have coworkers who would have way more than a years salary in vacation pay if we didn’t cap at 1.5x the annual accrual. They’ve stopped accruing because they hit the cap a long time ago. They are workaholics who never take time off.
(I don’t have that problem. LOL)[/quote]
We all know those people. Even federal government have a cap. So, at the very least, state should do what the federal and many private companies do (1.5x max). My brother’s company don’t even let them carry over vacation at all.December 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM #756202SK in CVParticipant[quote=UCGal][quote=AN]UCGal, just so I read your post correctly, you’re saying that the guy’s pay is $400k but after vacation payout, his pay went up to $822k? That’s 100% increase from vacation pay? Who can save a year’s worth of vacation?[/quote]
The state apparently doesn’t have a “use it or lose it” policy.
And he “apparently” was working 17 hour days because they cut back staff and increased patients… so he had more shifts.I just read the article.
I have coworkers who would have way more than a years salary in vacation pay if we didn’t cap at 1.5x the annual accrual. They’ve stopped accruing because they hit the cap a long time ago. They are workaholics who never take time off.
(I don’t have that problem. LOL)[/quote]I don’t think that’s uncommon at all at employers who allow unlimited carryover, though this is probably at the high side. I think it’s pretty rare now to allow for unlimited carryover. I know a guy who retired and still had over 18 months of unused vacation pay. He expected the employer to offer him a buyout, but they didn’t. He stopped working at about 55, started using his vacation, continued to have full health benefits, contribute to his 401K (with some matching), and didn’t technically retire until he was almost 57. Just kept getting his direct deposit paychecks twice a month or whatever. He’d worked for the company for over 30 years and got something like 6 weeks paid vacation annually by the time he retired and rarely used 2 weeks.
December 12, 2012 at 6:26 PM #756208paramountParticipantThe only way this gets fixed is if California goes bankrupt.
IMO most on this board have a moral obligation to now leave California.
December 12, 2012 at 6:31 PM #756209SK in CVParticipant[quote=paramount]The only way this gets fixed is if California goes bankrupt.
IMO most on this board have a moral obligation to now leave California.[/quote]
Huh? Why would there be a moral obligation to leave? And why most? Who gets to stay?
December 12, 2012 at 6:35 PM #756210paramountParticipant[quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]The only way this gets fixed is if California goes bankrupt.
IMO most on this board have a moral obligation to now leave California.[/quote]
Huh? Why would there be a moral obligation to leave? And why most? Who gets to stay?[/quote]
If you work in the private sector, leave. Otherwise, you’re an enabler.
California must go bankrupt.
December 12, 2012 at 6:45 PM #756211SK in CVParticipant[quote=paramount][quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]The only way this gets fixed is if California goes bankrupt.
IMO most on this board have a moral obligation to now leave California.[/quote]
Huh? Why would there be a moral obligation to leave? And why most? Who gets to stay?[/quote]
If you work in the private sector, leave. Otherwise, you’re an enabler.
California must go bankrupt.[/quote]
12 million people out of work. There’s a good idea. That should help a lot.
December 12, 2012 at 6:55 PM #756212UCGalParticipant[quote=paramount][quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]The only way this gets fixed is if California goes bankrupt.
IMO most on this board have a moral obligation to now leave California.[/quote]
Huh? Why would there be a moral obligation to leave? And why most? Who gets to stay?[/quote]
If you work in the private sector, leave. Otherwise, you’re an enabler.
California must go bankrupt.[/quote]
after you….
I’m polite that way. 🙂December 12, 2012 at 9:35 PM #756222CA renterParticipant[quote=paramount][quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]The only way this gets fixed is if California goes bankrupt.
IMO most on this board have a moral obligation to now leave California.[/quote]
Huh? Why would there be a moral obligation to leave? And why most? Who gets to stay?[/quote]
If you work in the private sector, leave. Otherwise, you’re an enabler.
California must go bankrupt.[/quote]
LOL! You’re just trying to get a deal on a house! 🙂
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