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September 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM #603325September 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM #602279
briansd1
Guest[quote=UCGal] They took a “functionally obsolete” rowhouse and remodeled it inside. It’s got the charm of the high ceilings, casework around the windows, etc – but it also has a new/modern kitchen, 2 baths (it’s a 3br), walk in closets, and a roof deck. There was no need to raze it and start over.. they could modify the interior to suit their family’s needs.
[/quote]I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
Why not allow people with large lots in Clairemont to split their lots and build two or 3 houses to accomodate population growth?
Why not allow people to build house additions close to the lot lines to accommodate in-laws and relatives?
Population is growing. We can build up, have public transport, a vibrant city life of people walking around. Or we can have sprawl with sidewalks that nobody ever uses.
BTW, in Philadelphia, I like that that houses are not required to have off-street parking. People can do street parking or they can pay to park at a garage nearby.
If we did away with parking requirements in SD, we could accommodate many more residents in and around the urban core.
September 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM #602368Guest[quote=UCGal] They took a “functionally obsolete” rowhouse and remodeled it inside. It’s got the charm of the high ceilings, casework around the windows, etc – but it also has a new/modern kitchen, 2 baths (it’s a 3br), walk in closets, and a roof deck. There was no need to raze it and start over.. they could modify the interior to suit their family’s needs.
[/quote]I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
Why not allow people with large lots in Clairemont to split their lots and build two or 3 houses to accomodate population growth?
Why not allow people to build house additions close to the lot lines to accommodate in-laws and relatives?
Population is growing. We can build up, have public transport, a vibrant city life of people walking around. Or we can have sprawl with sidewalks that nobody ever uses.
BTW, in Philadelphia, I like that that houses are not required to have off-street parking. People can do street parking or they can pay to park at a garage nearby.
If we did away with parking requirements in SD, we could accommodate many more residents in and around the urban core.
September 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM #602916Guest[quote=UCGal] They took a “functionally obsolete” rowhouse and remodeled it inside. It’s got the charm of the high ceilings, casework around the windows, etc – but it also has a new/modern kitchen, 2 baths (it’s a 3br), walk in closets, and a roof deck. There was no need to raze it and start over.. they could modify the interior to suit their family’s needs.
[/quote]I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
Why not allow people with large lots in Clairemont to split their lots and build two or 3 houses to accomodate population growth?
Why not allow people to build house additions close to the lot lines to accommodate in-laws and relatives?
Population is growing. We can build up, have public transport, a vibrant city life of people walking around. Or we can have sprawl with sidewalks that nobody ever uses.
BTW, in Philadelphia, I like that that houses are not required to have off-street parking. People can do street parking or they can pay to park at a garage nearby.
If we did away with parking requirements in SD, we could accommodate many more residents in and around the urban core.
September 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM #603022Guest[quote=UCGal] They took a “functionally obsolete” rowhouse and remodeled it inside. It’s got the charm of the high ceilings, casework around the windows, etc – but it also has a new/modern kitchen, 2 baths (it’s a 3br), walk in closets, and a roof deck. There was no need to raze it and start over.. they could modify the interior to suit their family’s needs.
[/quote]I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
Why not allow people with large lots in Clairemont to split their lots and build two or 3 houses to accomodate population growth?
Why not allow people to build house additions close to the lot lines to accommodate in-laws and relatives?
Population is growing. We can build up, have public transport, a vibrant city life of people walking around. Or we can have sprawl with sidewalks that nobody ever uses.
BTW, in Philadelphia, I like that that houses are not required to have off-street parking. People can do street parking or they can pay to park at a garage nearby.
If we did away with parking requirements in SD, we could accommodate many more residents in and around the urban core.
September 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM #603340Guest[quote=UCGal] They took a “functionally obsolete” rowhouse and remodeled it inside. It’s got the charm of the high ceilings, casework around the windows, etc – but it also has a new/modern kitchen, 2 baths (it’s a 3br), walk in closets, and a roof deck. There was no need to raze it and start over.. they could modify the interior to suit their family’s needs.
[/quote]I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
Why not allow people with large lots in Clairemont to split their lots and build two or 3 houses to accomodate population growth?
Why not allow people to build house additions close to the lot lines to accommodate in-laws and relatives?
Population is growing. We can build up, have public transport, a vibrant city life of people walking around. Or we can have sprawl with sidewalks that nobody ever uses.
BTW, in Philadelphia, I like that that houses are not required to have off-street parking. People can do street parking or they can pay to park at a garage nearby.
If we did away with parking requirements in SD, we could accommodate many more residents in and around the urban core.
September 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM #602294UCGal
Participant[quote=briansd1]
I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
[/quote]Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
I have friends who own in University Heights – they love their older spanish style house. At one point they were considering moving to a big house in the burbs… they decided it would lower their quality of life even as it increased their square footage.
Other friends of mine live in Kensington. They’ve decided to add on to their craftsman era home because it makes more sense for their lifestyle. The love the lines and charm of their older house. The did the number crunching on hiring an architect and doing an addition vs selling/buying. Adding on was the better move for them. (He’s an engineer -so the numbers were scrutinized closely.) It was cheaper to add on than to move – NOT more onerous as you describe.
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.
September 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM #602383Participant[quote=briansd1]
I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
[/quote]Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
I have friends who own in University Heights – they love their older spanish style house. At one point they were considering moving to a big house in the burbs… they decided it would lower their quality of life even as it increased their square footage.
Other friends of mine live in Kensington. They’ve decided to add on to their craftsman era home because it makes more sense for their lifestyle. The love the lines and charm of their older house. The did the number crunching on hiring an architect and doing an addition vs selling/buying. Adding on was the better move for them. (He’s an engineer -so the numbers were scrutinized closely.) It was cheaper to add on than to move – NOT more onerous as you describe.
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.
September 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM #602931Participant[quote=briansd1]
I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
[/quote]Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
I have friends who own in University Heights – they love their older spanish style house. At one point they were considering moving to a big house in the burbs… they decided it would lower their quality of life even as it increased their square footage.
Other friends of mine live in Kensington. They’ve decided to add on to their craftsman era home because it makes more sense for their lifestyle. The love the lines and charm of their older house. The did the number crunching on hiring an architect and doing an addition vs selling/buying. Adding on was the better move for them. (He’s an engineer -so the numbers were scrutinized closely.) It was cheaper to add on than to move – NOT more onerous as you describe.
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.
September 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM #603037Participant[quote=briansd1]
I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
[/quote]Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
I have friends who own in University Heights – they love their older spanish style house. At one point they were considering moving to a big house in the burbs… they decided it would lower their quality of life even as it increased their square footage.
Other friends of mine live in Kensington. They’ve decided to add on to their craftsman era home because it makes more sense for their lifestyle. The love the lines and charm of their older house. The did the number crunching on hiring an architect and doing an addition vs selling/buying. Adding on was the better move for them. (He’s an engineer -so the numbers were scrutinized closely.) It was cheaper to add on than to move – NOT more onerous as you describe.
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.
September 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM #603355Participant[quote=briansd1]
I see what you’re saying.
But let’s face it — people want clean updated, spacious interiors.
In San Diego, you can buy an old house in Normal Heights or you can buy a new house in the new master-planned suburbs.
Zoning makes remodeling and adding on to the old Normal Heights house too costly and onerous. So people take the path of least resistance. So we end up with sprawl.
[/quote]Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
I have friends who own in University Heights – they love their older spanish style house. At one point they were considering moving to a big house in the burbs… they decided it would lower their quality of life even as it increased their square footage.
Other friends of mine live in Kensington. They’ve decided to add on to their craftsman era home because it makes more sense for their lifestyle. The love the lines and charm of their older house. The did the number crunching on hiring an architect and doing an addition vs selling/buying. Adding on was the better move for them. (He’s an engineer -so the numbers were scrutinized closely.) It was cheaper to add on than to move – NOT more onerous as you describe.
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.
September 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM #602344Guest[quote=UCGal]
Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
[/quote]haha… you have have a point. But people are attracted to new suburbs for a reason. The growth is in the suburbs.
Don’t you think it would be preferable to accommodate new population in the areas that are already developed rather than having build new roads, sewers, etc…
[quote=UCGal]
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.[/quote]
Kensington is a nice areas. But it still too “suburban” for me. It was a one of the first master-planned community in the city, I believe.
I looked at that bungalow, but honestly prefer the two-story next door, which could make a nice rehab with modern amenities.
Without central HVAC, that front bungalow would be too hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
If I owned the bungalow, I would like to tear it down and build a new house without resistance from the planning people and from the neighbors. I would want to do it quick and not deal with any drama.
Don’t get me wrong. I love old stuff. But not everything old is worth saving. Cabinets with with 5 coats of paint, Spanish tiles grossly installed, and decades of charges are not charming in my opinion. To do a proper rehab you might spend more money than building a large new larger house.
The house look well maintained though. But another bungalow like that, with deferred maintenance, could be more economically razed and rebuilt new.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=4720+Marlborough+Dr,+san+diego,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.77566,58.710937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=4720+Marlborough+Dr,+San+Diego,+California+92116&layer=c&cbll=32.763863,-117.106329&panoid=DWHaJPrcogTytf1udCXh0Q&cbp=12,269.36,,0,1.54&ll=32.763739,-117.106329&spn=0.00637,0.007167&z=17
September 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM #602433Guest[quote=UCGal]
Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
[/quote]haha… you have have a point. But people are attracted to new suburbs for a reason. The growth is in the suburbs.
Don’t you think it would be preferable to accommodate new population in the areas that are already developed rather than having build new roads, sewers, etc…
[quote=UCGal]
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.[/quote]
Kensington is a nice areas. But it still too “suburban” for me. It was a one of the first master-planned community in the city, I believe.
I looked at that bungalow, but honestly prefer the two-story next door, which could make a nice rehab with modern amenities.
Without central HVAC, that front bungalow would be too hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
If I owned the bungalow, I would like to tear it down and build a new house without resistance from the planning people and from the neighbors. I would want to do it quick and not deal with any drama.
Don’t get me wrong. I love old stuff. But not everything old is worth saving. Cabinets with with 5 coats of paint, Spanish tiles grossly installed, and decades of charges are not charming in my opinion. To do a proper rehab you might spend more money than building a large new larger house.
The house look well maintained though. But another bungalow like that, with deferred maintenance, could be more economically razed and rebuilt new.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=4720+Marlborough+Dr,+san+diego,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.77566,58.710937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=4720+Marlborough+Dr,+San+Diego,+California+92116&layer=c&cbll=32.763863,-117.106329&panoid=DWHaJPrcogTytf1udCXh0Q&cbp=12,269.36,,0,1.54&ll=32.763739,-117.106329&spn=0.00637,0.007167&z=17
September 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM #602981Guest[quote=UCGal]
Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
[/quote]haha… you have have a point. But people are attracted to new suburbs for a reason. The growth is in the suburbs.
Don’t you think it would be preferable to accommodate new population in the areas that are already developed rather than having build new roads, sewers, etc…
[quote=UCGal]
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.[/quote]
Kensington is a nice areas. But it still too “suburban” for me. It was a one of the first master-planned community in the city, I believe.
I looked at that bungalow, but honestly prefer the two-story next door, which could make a nice rehab with modern amenities.
Without central HVAC, that front bungalow would be too hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
If I owned the bungalow, I would like to tear it down and build a new house without resistance from the planning people and from the neighbors. I would want to do it quick and not deal with any drama.
Don’t get me wrong. I love old stuff. But not everything old is worth saving. Cabinets with with 5 coats of paint, Spanish tiles grossly installed, and decades of charges are not charming in my opinion. To do a proper rehab you might spend more money than building a large new larger house.
The house look well maintained though. But another bungalow like that, with deferred maintenance, could be more economically razed and rebuilt new.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=4720+Marlborough+Dr,+san+diego,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.77566,58.710937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=4720+Marlborough+Dr,+San+Diego,+California+92116&layer=c&cbll=32.763863,-117.106329&panoid=DWHaJPrcogTytf1udCXh0Q&cbp=12,269.36,,0,1.54&ll=32.763739,-117.106329&spn=0.00637,0.007167&z=17
September 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM #603087Guest[quote=UCGal]
Correction – YOU want clean/updated/spacious… Not everyone prefers that.
[/quote]haha… you have have a point. But people are attracted to new suburbs for a reason. The growth is in the suburbs.
Don’t you think it would be preferable to accommodate new population in the areas that are already developed rather than having build new roads, sewers, etc…
[quote=UCGal]
As far as density of areas, contemporary architecture vs older homes… check out a 2 unit property owned by friends of mine.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/4720-Marlborough-Dr-92116/home/5270812It has a very charming spanish style bungalow in the front, and a very contemporary loft style 2 br home in the back. All in the walkable neighborhood of Kensington. Based on the style you like – I could see you liking the modern loft. Personally, I prefer the cove ceilings, built-ins, and retro tile, arches, etc, in the front house.
Like I said – everyone has different taste.[/quote]
Kensington is a nice areas. But it still too “suburban” for me. It was a one of the first master-planned community in the city, I believe.
I looked at that bungalow, but honestly prefer the two-story next door, which could make a nice rehab with modern amenities.
Without central HVAC, that front bungalow would be too hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
If I owned the bungalow, I would like to tear it down and build a new house without resistance from the planning people and from the neighbors. I would want to do it quick and not deal with any drama.
Don’t get me wrong. I love old stuff. But not everything old is worth saving. Cabinets with with 5 coats of paint, Spanish tiles grossly installed, and decades of charges are not charming in my opinion. To do a proper rehab you might spend more money than building a large new larger house.
The house look well maintained though. But another bungalow like that, with deferred maintenance, could be more economically razed and rebuilt new.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=4720+Marlborough+Dr,+san+diego,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.77566,58.710937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=4720+Marlborough+Dr,+San+Diego,+California+92116&layer=c&cbll=32.763863,-117.106329&panoid=DWHaJPrcogTytf1udCXh0Q&cbp=12,269.36,,0,1.54&ll=32.763739,-117.106329&spn=0.00637,0.007167&z=17
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