sdr/SDR, how can this not be fraud???

[Ren]

[quote=sdrealtor]CA Renter you are very naive.[/quote]

The rest of your post was appropriate, informative, and complete without the jab, but part of you had to make it hurt just a bit. Do you ever go a single day without belittling someone? I’m honestly curious. It seems strange to me that a person who apparently despises everyone would be in your line of work. You must put on a friendly mask in person, or you wouldn’t have many clients.

[sdrealtor]

Pemeliza
Spot on post.

CA R
Here is the part of your comment I was addressing:

“If I’m naive, it’s only about the lack of competence among the lenders’ employees.

Again, this is NOT rocket science, and dr boom’s example does not negate what I’m saying. If the lenders don’t have employees who are capable of determining the “highest and best” offers, then they should fire their existing staff and hire more competent people.”

Firing, hiring and training takes time. Lots of it. They are incapable of running efficient, well run organizations and the quality of employees they have access to is underwhelming. Its like most large corporations. What may seem simple to a single intelligent person is fraught with challenges when one tries to operationalize something across a large spectrum.

One question back at you. Are you frustrated because the house sold sold cheaply or because you didnt get it at that price?

Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

Pemeliza
Spot on post.

CA R
Here is the part of your comment I was addressing:

“If I’m naive, it’s only about the lack of competence among the lenders’ employees.

Again, this is NOT rocket science, and dr boom’s example does not negate what I’m saying. If the lenders don’t have employees who are capable of determining the “highest and best” offers, then they should fire their existing staff and hire more competent people.”

Firing, hiring and training takes time. Lots of it. They are incapable of running efficient, well run organizations and the quality of employees they have access to is underwhelming. Its like most large corporations. What may seem simple to a single intelligent person is fraught with challenges when one tries to operationalize something across a large spectrum.

One question back at you. Are you frustrated because the house sold sold cheaply or because you didnt get it at that price?

Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

Pemeliza
Spot on post.

CA R
Here is the part of your comment I was addressing:

“If I’m naive, it’s only about the lack of competence among the lenders’ employees.

Again, this is NOT rocket science, and dr boom’s example does not negate what I’m saying. If the lenders don’t have employees who are capable of determining the “highest and best” offers, then they should fire their existing staff and hire more competent people.”

Firing, hiring and training takes time. Lots of it. They are incapable of running efficient, well run organizations and the quality of employees they have access to is underwhelming. Its like most large corporations. What may seem simple to a single intelligent person is fraught with challenges when one tries to operationalize something across a large spectrum.

One question back at you. Are you frustrated because the house sold sold cheaply or because you didnt get it at that price?

Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

Pemeliza
Spot on post.

CA R
Here is the part of your comment I was addressing:

“If I’m naive, it’s only about the lack of competence among the lenders’ employees.

Again, this is NOT rocket science, and dr boom’s example does not negate what I’m saying. If the lenders don’t have employees who are capable of determining the “highest and best” offers, then they should fire their existing staff and hire more competent people.”

Firing, hiring and training takes time. Lots of it. They are incapable of running efficient, well run organizations and the quality of employees they have access to is underwhelming. Its like most large corporations. What may seem simple to a single intelligent person is fraught with challenges when one tries to operationalize something across a large spectrum.

One question back at you. Are you frustrated because the house sold sold cheaply or because you didnt get it at that price?

Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

Pemeliza
Spot on post.

CA R
Here is the part of your comment I was addressing:

“If I’m naive, it’s only about the lack of competence among the lenders’ employees.

Again, this is NOT rocket science, and dr boom’s example does not negate what I’m saying. If the lenders don’t have employees who are capable of determining the “highest and best” offers, then they should fire their existing staff and hire more competent people.”

Firing, hiring and training takes time. Lots of it. They are incapable of running efficient, well run organizations and the quality of employees they have access to is underwhelming. Its like most large corporations. What may seem simple to a single intelligent person is fraught with challenges when one tries to operationalize something across a large spectrum.

One question back at you. Are you frustrated because the house sold sold cheaply or because you didnt get it at that price?

Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.

sdr

[Ren]

[quote=sdrealtor]
Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.
[/quote]

My point is that you didn’t have to use any word at all. The rest of your post said everything you needed to say. Adding the naive comment changed an informative post into a malicious one.

I disagree that you would be eaten alive simply for being relatively pleasant. There are several friendly realtors here who earn respect by posting intelligently. If someone gives you crap for your opinion, then by all means you should get nasty and use your knowledge to back it up. Otherwise, it’s just counterproductive.

In my experience, vitriol is a lot like cussing. It should be used sparingly not because it’s bad, but so that it has more impact when you finally do use it. The idea is to have people fear what’s under the surface while still valuing your opinion – not to have them avoid you completely.

[Ren]

[quote=sdrealtor]
Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.
[/quote]

My point is that you didn’t have to use any word at all. The rest of your post said everything you needed to say. Adding the naive comment changed an informative post into a malicious one.

I disagree that you would be eaten alive simply for being relatively pleasant. There are several friendly realtors here who earn respect by posting intelligently. If someone gives you crap for your opinion, then by all means you should get nasty and use your knowledge to back it up. Otherwise, it’s just counterproductive.

In my experience, vitriol is a lot like cussing. It should be used sparingly not because it’s bad, but so that it has more impact when you finally do use it. The idea is to have people fear what’s under the surface while still valuing your opinion – not to have them avoid you completely.

[Ren]

[quote=sdrealtor]
Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.
[/quote]

My point is that you didn’t have to use any word at all. The rest of your post said everything you needed to say. Adding the naive comment changed an informative post into a malicious one.

I disagree that you would be eaten alive simply for being relatively pleasant. There are several friendly realtors here who earn respect by posting intelligently. If someone gives you crap for your opinion, then by all means you should get nasty and use your knowledge to back it up. Otherwise, it’s just counterproductive.

In my experience, vitriol is a lot like cussing. It should be used sparingly not because it’s bad, but so that it has more impact when you finally do use it. The idea is to have people fear what’s under the surface while still valuing your opinion – not to have them avoid you completely.

[Ren]

[quote=sdrealtor]
Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.
[/quote]

My point is that you didn’t have to use any word at all. The rest of your post said everything you needed to say. Adding the naive comment changed an informative post into a malicious one.

I disagree that you would be eaten alive simply for being relatively pleasant. There are several friendly realtors here who earn respect by posting intelligently. If someone gives you crap for your opinion, then by all means you should get nasty and use your knowledge to back it up. Otherwise, it’s just counterproductive.

In my experience, vitriol is a lot like cussing. It should be used sparingly not because it’s bad, but so that it has more impact when you finally do use it. The idea is to have people fear what’s under the surface while still valuing your opinion – not to have them avoid you completely.

[Ren]

[quote=sdrealtor]
Ren
I dont think pointing out naivity is mean spirited. Give me a better word for it and I’ll use it. FYI, The tone I use online is calculated. Its the only way to be heard consistently in a forum like this. Particularly as a realtor. If I wasnt abrupt I would have gotten eaten alive a very long time ago.
[/quote]

My point is that you didn’t have to use any word at all. The rest of your post said everything you needed to say. Adding the naive comment changed an informative post into a malicious one.

I disagree that you would be eaten alive simply for being relatively pleasant. There are several friendly realtors here who earn respect by posting intelligently. If someone gives you crap for your opinion, then by all means you should get nasty and use your knowledge to back it up. Otherwise, it’s just counterproductive.

In my experience, vitriol is a lot like cussing. It should be used sparingly not because it’s bad, but so that it has more impact when you finally do use it. The idea is to have people fear what’s under the surface while still valuing your opinion – not to have them avoid you completely.

[CA renter]

Ren,

Thank you very much for your kind post! 🙂 It’s admirable for you to point these things out, and stick up for other people. Thank you!

I have to admit that when I first read sdr’s post, it got my hackles up, but I tried to read it in a different way so that the personal jab was diminshed somewhat and I focused more on what he was trying to say. He probably knows that I’m not naive when it comes to business and real estate; if he doesn’t know this, it’s because he’s not paying attention.

In many years of posting on bubble blogs, I’ve always tried my best to debate the **topics** and leave personalities and emotion out of it. I’ve never felt “unheard” or felt that people didn’t pay attention to what I was saying…quite the opposite, as a matter of fact.

sdr, if you have good points to make, I’ve seen no evidence that shows being vitriolic improves one’s standing in an internet community. The most respected posters are those who leave their emotions at the door and discuss/debate facts with other well-informed people. You and I have had some back-and-forth on this before when you’ve gotten into it with other posters.

Can’t we all just get along? 😉

p.s.: I even invited you over for BBQ the other day! 🙂

[CA renter]

Ren,

Thank you very much for your kind post! 🙂 It’s admirable for you to point these things out, and stick up for other people. Thank you!

I have to admit that when I first read sdr’s post, it got my hackles up, but I tried to read it in a different way so that the personal jab was diminshed somewhat and I focused more on what he was trying to say. He probably knows that I’m not naive when it comes to business and real estate; if he doesn’t know this, it’s because he’s not paying attention.

In many years of posting on bubble blogs, I’ve always tried my best to debate the **topics** and leave personalities and emotion out of it. I’ve never felt “unheard” or felt that people didn’t pay attention to what I was saying…quite the opposite, as a matter of fact.

sdr, if you have good points to make, I’ve seen no evidence that shows being vitriolic improves one’s standing in an internet community. The most respected posters are those who leave their emotions at the door and discuss/debate facts with other well-informed people. You and I have had some back-and-forth on this before when you’ve gotten into it with other posters.

Can’t we all just get along? 😉

p.s.: I even invited you over for BBQ the other day! 🙂

[CA renter]

Ren,

Thank you very much for your kind post! 🙂 It’s admirable for you to point these things out, and stick up for other people. Thank you!

I have to admit that when I first read sdr’s post, it got my hackles up, but I tried to read it in a different way so that the personal jab was diminshed somewhat and I focused more on what he was trying to say. He probably knows that I’m not naive when it comes to business and real estate; if he doesn’t know this, it’s because he’s not paying attention.

In many years of posting on bubble blogs, I’ve always tried my best to debate the **topics** and leave personalities and emotion out of it. I’ve never felt “unheard” or felt that people didn’t pay attention to what I was saying…quite the opposite, as a matter of fact.

sdr, if you have good points to make, I’ve seen no evidence that shows being vitriolic improves one’s standing in an internet community. The most respected posters are those who leave their emotions at the door and discuss/debate facts with other well-informed people. You and I have had some back-and-forth on this before when you’ve gotten into it with other posters.

Can’t we all just get along? 😉

p.s.: I even invited you over for BBQ the other day! 🙂

[CA renter]

Ren,

Thank you very much for your kind post! 🙂 It’s admirable for you to point these things out, and stick up for other people. Thank you!

I have to admit that when I first read sdr’s post, it got my hackles up, but I tried to read it in a different way so that the personal jab was diminshed somewhat and I focused more on what he was trying to say. He probably knows that I’m not naive when it comes to business and real estate; if he doesn’t know this, it’s because he’s not paying attention.

In many years of posting on bubble blogs, I’ve always tried my best to debate the **topics** and leave personalities and emotion out of it. I’ve never felt “unheard” or felt that people didn’t pay attention to what I was saying…quite the opposite, as a matter of fact.

sdr, if you have good points to make, I’ve seen no evidence that shows being vitriolic improves one’s standing in an internet community. The most respected posters are those who leave their emotions at the door and discuss/debate facts with other well-informed people. You and I have had some back-and-forth on this before when you’ve gotten into it with other posters.

Can’t we all just get along? 😉

p.s.: I even invited you over for BBQ the other day! 🙂

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