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November 16, 2007 at 11:36 AM #100294November 16, 2007 at 1:50 PM #100242
patientlywaiting
ParticipantEmaar Properties properties bought John Laing at the very peak of the housing market. They are probably feeling like suckers right now because the slumping US housing market and the drop in dollar exchange rates have caused their investment in John Laing to evaporate. Poof, just like that.
Think of all the foreigners (Deutsche Bank, HSBC,etc…) who bought US assets. Their investments are now worthless if you count exchange rates.
HSBC bought Household Finance for $14.3 billion. When the mortgage mess began, they wrote off $11 billion. HSBC just wrote off another $3.4 billion. The value of HSBC’s American assets is now negative.
Without HSBC, Household would have been out of business a long time ago. HSBC management and shareholders have to be feeling like the biggest suckers ever born.
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2328846.ece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/15/hsbcholdingsbusiness.creditcrunch
Will the foreigners be stupid enough to throw more money after bad? Or will they shut their US operations and move on?
Mortgage losses are expected to be $400 billion and I believe we’re only at about $50 billion in write downs so far. 1/2 of the subprime money lent will be lost. We still have a long, long way to go.
The $2 trillion credit crunch will last for years.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/11/16/goldman-credit-fed-biz-wall-cx_lm_1116goldman.htmlNovember 16, 2007 at 1:50 PM #100320patientlywaiting
ParticipantEmaar Properties properties bought John Laing at the very peak of the housing market. They are probably feeling like suckers right now because the slumping US housing market and the drop in dollar exchange rates have caused their investment in John Laing to evaporate. Poof, just like that.
Think of all the foreigners (Deutsche Bank, HSBC,etc…) who bought US assets. Their investments are now worthless if you count exchange rates.
HSBC bought Household Finance for $14.3 billion. When the mortgage mess began, they wrote off $11 billion. HSBC just wrote off another $3.4 billion. The value of HSBC’s American assets is now negative.
Without HSBC, Household would have been out of business a long time ago. HSBC management and shareholders have to be feeling like the biggest suckers ever born.
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2328846.ece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/15/hsbcholdingsbusiness.creditcrunch
Will the foreigners be stupid enough to throw more money after bad? Or will they shut their US operations and move on?
Mortgage losses are expected to be $400 billion and I believe we’re only at about $50 billion in write downs so far. 1/2 of the subprime money lent will be lost. We still have a long, long way to go.
The $2 trillion credit crunch will last for years.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/11/16/goldman-credit-fed-biz-wall-cx_lm_1116goldman.htmlNovember 16, 2007 at 1:50 PM #100338patientlywaiting
ParticipantEmaar Properties properties bought John Laing at the very peak of the housing market. They are probably feeling like suckers right now because the slumping US housing market and the drop in dollar exchange rates have caused their investment in John Laing to evaporate. Poof, just like that.
Think of all the foreigners (Deutsche Bank, HSBC,etc…) who bought US assets. Their investments are now worthless if you count exchange rates.
HSBC bought Household Finance for $14.3 billion. When the mortgage mess began, they wrote off $11 billion. HSBC just wrote off another $3.4 billion. The value of HSBC’s American assets is now negative.
Without HSBC, Household would have been out of business a long time ago. HSBC management and shareholders have to be feeling like the biggest suckers ever born.
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2328846.ece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/15/hsbcholdingsbusiness.creditcrunch
Will the foreigners be stupid enough to throw more money after bad? Or will they shut their US operations and move on?
Mortgage losses are expected to be $400 billion and I believe we’re only at about $50 billion in write downs so far. 1/2 of the subprime money lent will be lost. We still have a long, long way to go.
The $2 trillion credit crunch will last for years.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/11/16/goldman-credit-fed-biz-wall-cx_lm_1116goldman.htmlNovember 16, 2007 at 1:50 PM #100352patientlywaiting
ParticipantEmaar Properties properties bought John Laing at the very peak of the housing market. They are probably feeling like suckers right now because the slumping US housing market and the drop in dollar exchange rates have caused their investment in John Laing to evaporate. Poof, just like that.
Think of all the foreigners (Deutsche Bank, HSBC,etc…) who bought US assets. Their investments are now worthless if you count exchange rates.
HSBC bought Household Finance for $14.3 billion. When the mortgage mess began, they wrote off $11 billion. HSBC just wrote off another $3.4 billion. The value of HSBC’s American assets is now negative.
Without HSBC, Household would have been out of business a long time ago. HSBC management and shareholders have to be feeling like the biggest suckers ever born.
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2328846.ece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/15/hsbcholdingsbusiness.creditcrunch
Will the foreigners be stupid enough to throw more money after bad? Or will they shut their US operations and move on?
Mortgage losses are expected to be $400 billion and I believe we’re only at about $50 billion in write downs so far. 1/2 of the subprime money lent will be lost. We still have a long, long way to go.
The $2 trillion credit crunch will last for years.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/11/16/goldman-credit-fed-biz-wall-cx_lm_1116goldman.htmlNovember 16, 2007 at 1:50 PM #100354patientlywaiting
ParticipantEmaar Properties properties bought John Laing at the very peak of the housing market. They are probably feeling like suckers right now because the slumping US housing market and the drop in dollar exchange rates have caused their investment in John Laing to evaporate. Poof, just like that.
Think of all the foreigners (Deutsche Bank, HSBC,etc…) who bought US assets. Their investments are now worthless if you count exchange rates.
HSBC bought Household Finance for $14.3 billion. When the mortgage mess began, they wrote off $11 billion. HSBC just wrote off another $3.4 billion. The value of HSBC’s American assets is now negative.
Without HSBC, Household would have been out of business a long time ago. HSBC management and shareholders have to be feeling like the biggest suckers ever born.
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2328846.ece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/15/hsbcholdingsbusiness.creditcrunch
Will the foreigners be stupid enough to throw more money after bad? Or will they shut their US operations and move on?
Mortgage losses are expected to be $400 billion and I believe we’re only at about $50 billion in write downs so far. 1/2 of the subprime money lent will be lost. We still have a long, long way to go.
The $2 trillion credit crunch will last for years.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/11/16/goldman-credit-fed-biz-wall-cx_lm_1116goldman.htmlNovember 16, 2007 at 2:05 PM #100260Raybyrnes
Participantpatientlywaiting
So there are buyers at very high prices but fewer buyers at significantly lower prices.
As far as I can tell people got to live soemwhere so homebuilding isn’t going away. And the the population isn’t shrinking.
November 16, 2007 at 2:05 PM #100340Raybyrnes
Participantpatientlywaiting
So there are buyers at very high prices but fewer buyers at significantly lower prices.
As far as I can tell people got to live soemwhere so homebuilding isn’t going away. And the the population isn’t shrinking.
November 16, 2007 at 2:05 PM #100358Raybyrnes
Participantpatientlywaiting
So there are buyers at very high prices but fewer buyers at significantly lower prices.
As far as I can tell people got to live soemwhere so homebuilding isn’t going away. And the the population isn’t shrinking.
November 16, 2007 at 2:05 PM #100372Raybyrnes
Participantpatientlywaiting
So there are buyers at very high prices but fewer buyers at significantly lower prices.
As far as I can tell people got to live soemwhere so homebuilding isn’t going away. And the the population isn’t shrinking.
November 16, 2007 at 2:05 PM #100374Raybyrnes
Participantpatientlywaiting
So there are buyers at very high prices but fewer buyers at significantly lower prices.
As far as I can tell people got to live soemwhere so homebuilding isn’t going away. And the the population isn’t shrinking.
November 16, 2007 at 2:32 PM #100276temeculaguy
Participanthttp://www.cnbc.com/id/21839152/for/cnbc/
According to this article, that “screw you, no price cuts” plan will probably last a week. Erven the NAHB economists said “2008 will be a year of systematic price erosion” translated, prices will go down. The market psyche was insane on the way up and is now showing some insanity on the way down. Every time they lower prices, less buyers come and more cancel, all thinking the cuts will continue, it’s DejaVu in reverse.
Speaking of saving the builders, what happens when a few biggies fall? I see no way SPF makes it throught the month, it fell another 15% today and it is now earning a negative six dollars per share, twice it’s value. How long can a three dollar stock lose six dollars. I looked at one of the projects today, nice houses, one standing inventory was loaded to the gils, 2500 sq ft, and after incentives, 340k, no closing costs and 5 3/4 fixed. I did exactly what the article said, walked out and thought to myself, it’ll go lower.
November 16, 2007 at 2:32 PM #100356temeculaguy
Participanthttp://www.cnbc.com/id/21839152/for/cnbc/
According to this article, that “screw you, no price cuts” plan will probably last a week. Erven the NAHB economists said “2008 will be a year of systematic price erosion” translated, prices will go down. The market psyche was insane on the way up and is now showing some insanity on the way down. Every time they lower prices, less buyers come and more cancel, all thinking the cuts will continue, it’s DejaVu in reverse.
Speaking of saving the builders, what happens when a few biggies fall? I see no way SPF makes it throught the month, it fell another 15% today and it is now earning a negative six dollars per share, twice it’s value. How long can a three dollar stock lose six dollars. I looked at one of the projects today, nice houses, one standing inventory was loaded to the gils, 2500 sq ft, and after incentives, 340k, no closing costs and 5 3/4 fixed. I did exactly what the article said, walked out and thought to myself, it’ll go lower.
November 16, 2007 at 2:32 PM #100373temeculaguy
Participanthttp://www.cnbc.com/id/21839152/for/cnbc/
According to this article, that “screw you, no price cuts” plan will probably last a week. Erven the NAHB economists said “2008 will be a year of systematic price erosion” translated, prices will go down. The market psyche was insane on the way up and is now showing some insanity on the way down. Every time they lower prices, less buyers come and more cancel, all thinking the cuts will continue, it’s DejaVu in reverse.
Speaking of saving the builders, what happens when a few biggies fall? I see no way SPF makes it throught the month, it fell another 15% today and it is now earning a negative six dollars per share, twice it’s value. How long can a three dollar stock lose six dollars. I looked at one of the projects today, nice houses, one standing inventory was loaded to the gils, 2500 sq ft, and after incentives, 340k, no closing costs and 5 3/4 fixed. I did exactly what the article said, walked out and thought to myself, it’ll go lower.
November 16, 2007 at 2:32 PM #100387temeculaguy
Participanthttp://www.cnbc.com/id/21839152/for/cnbc/
According to this article, that “screw you, no price cuts” plan will probably last a week. Erven the NAHB economists said “2008 will be a year of systematic price erosion” translated, prices will go down. The market psyche was insane on the way up and is now showing some insanity on the way down. Every time they lower prices, less buyers come and more cancel, all thinking the cuts will continue, it’s DejaVu in reverse.
Speaking of saving the builders, what happens when a few biggies fall? I see no way SPF makes it throught the month, it fell another 15% today and it is now earning a negative six dollars per share, twice it’s value. How long can a three dollar stock lose six dollars. I looked at one of the projects today, nice houses, one standing inventory was loaded to the gils, 2500 sq ft, and after incentives, 340k, no closing costs and 5 3/4 fixed. I did exactly what the article said, walked out and thought to myself, it’ll go lower.
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