Save the middle class! This is our chance.

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[quote=carlsbadworker]But equal society is not a better society.[/quote]
This is the key thing people need to remember. You can’t remove greed and fear from human nature. So, as a society, if you want everyone to be equal, you have 2 choices, kill off all the greedy/smart people (like what the Khmer did in Cambodia) or if you don’t, the greedy/smart will escape the country as soon as they can (China/Vietnam).

[NeetaT]

I know how to save the middle class, make social security optional.

[NeetaT]

I know how to save the middle class, make social security optional.

[NeetaT]

I know how to save the middle class, make social security optional.

[NeetaT]

I know how to save the middle class, make social security optional.

[NeetaT]

I know how to save the middle class, make social security optional.

[NeetaT]

“Talking about Europe, there’s no speed limit on the autobahn and not everyone is dead. If you ever driven at 140MPH, you’ll know that you have to be extra alert of your surrounding. Accidents tend to be caused by people driving on autopilot. If you drive at 65, but are so busy doing other things and not paying attention to the road, there’s a higher chance you’ll get into an accident than driving at high speed.”

Good analogy! I drive a “Carrera S.” Let’s all think like you and we may actually have a little fun in our lives.

[NeetaT]

“Talking about Europe, there’s no speed limit on the autobahn and not everyone is dead. If you ever driven at 140MPH, you’ll know that you have to be extra alert of your surrounding. Accidents tend to be caused by people driving on autopilot. If you drive at 65, but are so busy doing other things and not paying attention to the road, there’s a higher chance you’ll get into an accident than driving at high speed.”

Good analogy! I drive a “Carrera S.” Let’s all think like you and we may actually have a little fun in our lives.

[NeetaT]

“Talking about Europe, there’s no speed limit on the autobahn and not everyone is dead. If you ever driven at 140MPH, you’ll know that you have to be extra alert of your surrounding. Accidents tend to be caused by people driving on autopilot. If you drive at 65, but are so busy doing other things and not paying attention to the road, there’s a higher chance you’ll get into an accident than driving at high speed.”

Good analogy! I drive a “Carrera S.” Let’s all think like you and we may actually have a little fun in our lives.

[NeetaT]

“Talking about Europe, there’s no speed limit on the autobahn and not everyone is dead. If you ever driven at 140MPH, you’ll know that you have to be extra alert of your surrounding. Accidents tend to be caused by people driving on autopilot. If you drive at 65, but are so busy doing other things and not paying attention to the road, there’s a higher chance you’ll get into an accident than driving at high speed.”

Good analogy! I drive a “Carrera S.” Let’s all think like you and we may actually have a little fun in our lives.

[NeetaT]

“Talking about Europe, there’s no speed limit on the autobahn and not everyone is dead. If you ever driven at 140MPH, you’ll know that you have to be extra alert of your surrounding. Accidents tend to be caused by people driving on autopilot. If you drive at 65, but are so busy doing other things and not paying attention to the road, there’s a higher chance you’ll get into an accident than driving at high speed.”

Good analogy! I drive a “Carrera S.” Let’s all think like you and we may actually have a little fun in our lives.

[Coronita]

[quote=carlsbadworker][quote=flu]
Um… Chairman Mao is rolling in his grave now…I think even China admits (*ok, almost admits, because they never admit anything wrong*) the Cultural Revolution was a mistake.

And last time i checked, the disparity between the peasants in China and the ultra wealthy was pretty big….
[/quote]

Yes, but get the timeline straight. The wealth disparity happens AFTER they concluded the cultrual revolution was a mistake and started economical reforms.

Also, I too consider that the Cultural Revolution is a mistake. Just like no matter how outrageous we are toward the bankers, it is better to have a few millionaires than everyone earning minimal wages. But if you think revolution does not create more equal society initially, you’d be wrong. But equal society is not a better society.

And here is a good reference to read:
http://www.american.com/archive/2007/may-june-magazine-contents/the-upside-of-income-inequality%5B/quote%5D

Dude, I talk to plenty of people who grew up during the cultural revolution. Common theme was, it doesn’t matter if everyone is the same if everyone is poor. It sucks. If there is no incentive to distinguish oneself for say being a CEO, doctor, or etc from say someone that work at McD’s, what’s really what motivation do humans (who have a propensity to be lazy) to be better than someone who doesn’t do the same thing and get paid relatively the same.

If the socialist system works so well, why are countries like China ditching such “equality for everyone” from which they have been operating from for decades in exchange for the very same market systems and capitalist systems here that so many americans these days have contempt for?

It just is disturbing that on one hand we have China, engrained in socialism for decades as a backward nation, gradually embracing capitalism….Here on the other hand, we have the U.S. gradually embracing socialism in parallel with our country’s decline. I wonder how things are going to look 10 years from now.

[Coronita]

[quote=carlsbadworker][quote=flu]
Um… Chairman Mao is rolling in his grave now…I think even China admits (*ok, almost admits, because they never admit anything wrong*) the Cultural Revolution was a mistake.

And last time i checked, the disparity between the peasants in China and the ultra wealthy was pretty big….
[/quote]

Yes, but get the timeline straight. The wealth disparity happens AFTER they concluded the cultrual revolution was a mistake and started economical reforms.

Also, I too consider that the Cultural Revolution is a mistake. Just like no matter how outrageous we are toward the bankers, it is better to have a few millionaires than everyone earning minimal wages. But if you think revolution does not create more equal society initially, you’d be wrong. But equal society is not a better society.

And here is a good reference to read:
http://www.american.com/archive/2007/may-june-magazine-contents/the-upside-of-income-inequality%5B/quote%5D

Dude, I talk to plenty of people who grew up during the cultural revolution. Common theme was, it doesn’t matter if everyone is the same if everyone is poor. It sucks. If there is no incentive to distinguish oneself for say being a CEO, doctor, or etc from say someone that work at McD’s, what’s really what motivation do humans (who have a propensity to be lazy) to be better than someone who doesn’t do the same thing and get paid relatively the same.

If the socialist system works so well, why are countries like China ditching such “equality for everyone” from which they have been operating from for decades in exchange for the very same market systems and capitalist systems here that so many americans these days have contempt for?

It just is disturbing that on one hand we have China, engrained in socialism for decades as a backward nation, gradually embracing capitalism….Here on the other hand, we have the U.S. gradually embracing socialism in parallel with our country’s decline. I wonder how things are going to look 10 years from now.

[Coronita]

[quote=carlsbadworker][quote=flu]
Um… Chairman Mao is rolling in his grave now…I think even China admits (*ok, almost admits, because they never admit anything wrong*) the Cultural Revolution was a mistake.

And last time i checked, the disparity between the peasants in China and the ultra wealthy was pretty big….
[/quote]

Yes, but get the timeline straight. The wealth disparity happens AFTER they concluded the cultrual revolution was a mistake and started economical reforms.

Also, I too consider that the Cultural Revolution is a mistake. Just like no matter how outrageous we are toward the bankers, it is better to have a few millionaires than everyone earning minimal wages. But if you think revolution does not create more equal society initially, you’d be wrong. But equal society is not a better society.

And here is a good reference to read:
http://www.american.com/archive/2007/may-june-magazine-contents/the-upside-of-income-inequality%5B/quote%5D

Dude, I talk to plenty of people who grew up during the cultural revolution. Common theme was, it doesn’t matter if everyone is the same if everyone is poor. It sucks. If there is no incentive to distinguish oneself for say being a CEO, doctor, or etc from say someone that work at McD’s, what’s really what motivation do humans (who have a propensity to be lazy) to be better than someone who doesn’t do the same thing and get paid relatively the same.

If the socialist system works so well, why are countries like China ditching such “equality for everyone” from which they have been operating from for decades in exchange for the very same market systems and capitalist systems here that so many americans these days have contempt for?

It just is disturbing that on one hand we have China, engrained in socialism for decades as a backward nation, gradually embracing capitalism….Here on the other hand, we have the U.S. gradually embracing socialism in parallel with our country’s decline. I wonder how things are going to look 10 years from now.

[Coronita]

[quote=carlsbadworker][quote=flu]
Um… Chairman Mao is rolling in his grave now…I think even China admits (*ok, almost admits, because they never admit anything wrong*) the Cultural Revolution was a mistake.

And last time i checked, the disparity between the peasants in China and the ultra wealthy was pretty big….
[/quote]

Yes, but get the timeline straight. The wealth disparity happens AFTER they concluded the cultrual revolution was a mistake and started economical reforms.

Also, I too consider that the Cultural Revolution is a mistake. Just like no matter how outrageous we are toward the bankers, it is better to have a few millionaires than everyone earning minimal wages. But if you think revolution does not create more equal society initially, you’d be wrong. But equal society is not a better society.

And here is a good reference to read:
http://www.american.com/archive/2007/may-june-magazine-contents/the-upside-of-income-inequality%5B/quote%5D

Dude, I talk to plenty of people who grew up during the cultural revolution. Common theme was, it doesn’t matter if everyone is the same if everyone is poor. It sucks. If there is no incentive to distinguish oneself for say being a CEO, doctor, or etc from say someone that work at McD’s, what’s really what motivation do humans (who have a propensity to be lazy) to be better than someone who doesn’t do the same thing and get paid relatively the same.

If the socialist system works so well, why are countries like China ditching such “equality for everyone” from which they have been operating from for decades in exchange for the very same market systems and capitalist systems here that so many americans these days have contempt for?

It just is disturbing that on one hand we have China, engrained in socialism for decades as a backward nation, gradually embracing capitalism….Here on the other hand, we have the U.S. gradually embracing socialism in parallel with our country’s decline. I wonder how things are going to look 10 years from now.

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