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November 23, 2007 at 12:07 PM #103159November 23, 2007 at 12:07 PM #103180sdrealtorParticipant
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You only got it half right when you say “All that matters is what someone is willing to pay for it and do they have the money (or can they get a loan) to close the sale”. That is what we call a willing buyer. The other half that matters is what we call a willing seller. That half depends upon what someone is willing to accept and is able to accept. Until the two meet we dont have a market price.I’m sure there are plenty of willing and able buyers for $1 homes but there are no willing sellers. this is an extreme example but it points out that there must be both.
November 23, 2007 at 12:07 PM #103203sdrealtorParticipantEx-SD
You only got it half right when you say “All that matters is what someone is willing to pay for it and do they have the money (or can they get a loan) to close the sale”. That is what we call a willing buyer. The other half that matters is what we call a willing seller. That half depends upon what someone is willing to accept and is able to accept. Until the two meet we dont have a market price.I’m sure there are plenty of willing and able buyers for $1 homes but there are no willing sellers. this is an extreme example but it points out that there must be both.
November 23, 2007 at 12:11 PM #1030684plexownerParticipantpatientlywaiting makes an interesting point about the short sales listing prices – I will use the $297K short sale in 92116 (another active thread) as an example
if I were a buyer shopping in that zip code I might now think that SFRs north of Adams are worth $300K (reality is probably at least $150K higher right now for a decent SFR)
back in the hot days of the market I would have certainly considered the $297K listing as a legitimate comp (or at least a significant data point to consider) but now it needs to be thrown out
makes the realtor’s job even harder having to explain to an inexperienced buyer that the $297K isn’t a realistic comp – the confused mind says “No” so this short sale pricing strategy could be harming the market by creating confusion in buyer’s minds
November 23, 2007 at 12:11 PM #1031514plexownerParticipantpatientlywaiting makes an interesting point about the short sales listing prices – I will use the $297K short sale in 92116 (another active thread) as an example
if I were a buyer shopping in that zip code I might now think that SFRs north of Adams are worth $300K (reality is probably at least $150K higher right now for a decent SFR)
back in the hot days of the market I would have certainly considered the $297K listing as a legitimate comp (or at least a significant data point to consider) but now it needs to be thrown out
makes the realtor’s job even harder having to explain to an inexperienced buyer that the $297K isn’t a realistic comp – the confused mind says “No” so this short sale pricing strategy could be harming the market by creating confusion in buyer’s minds
November 23, 2007 at 12:11 PM #1031634plexownerParticipantpatientlywaiting makes an interesting point about the short sales listing prices – I will use the $297K short sale in 92116 (another active thread) as an example
if I were a buyer shopping in that zip code I might now think that SFRs north of Adams are worth $300K (reality is probably at least $150K higher right now for a decent SFR)
back in the hot days of the market I would have certainly considered the $297K listing as a legitimate comp (or at least a significant data point to consider) but now it needs to be thrown out
makes the realtor’s job even harder having to explain to an inexperienced buyer that the $297K isn’t a realistic comp – the confused mind says “No” so this short sale pricing strategy could be harming the market by creating confusion in buyer’s minds
November 23, 2007 at 12:11 PM #1031854plexownerParticipantpatientlywaiting makes an interesting point about the short sales listing prices – I will use the $297K short sale in 92116 (another active thread) as an example
if I were a buyer shopping in that zip code I might now think that SFRs north of Adams are worth $300K (reality is probably at least $150K higher right now for a decent SFR)
back in the hot days of the market I would have certainly considered the $297K listing as a legitimate comp (or at least a significant data point to consider) but now it needs to be thrown out
makes the realtor’s job even harder having to explain to an inexperienced buyer that the $297K isn’t a realistic comp – the confused mind says “No” so this short sale pricing strategy could be harming the market by creating confusion in buyer’s minds
November 23, 2007 at 12:11 PM #1032084plexownerParticipantpatientlywaiting makes an interesting point about the short sales listing prices – I will use the $297K short sale in 92116 (another active thread) as an example
if I were a buyer shopping in that zip code I might now think that SFRs north of Adams are worth $300K (reality is probably at least $150K higher right now for a decent SFR)
back in the hot days of the market I would have certainly considered the $297K listing as a legitimate comp (or at least a significant data point to consider) but now it needs to be thrown out
makes the realtor’s job even harder having to explain to an inexperienced buyer that the $297K isn’t a realistic comp – the confused mind says “No” so this short sale pricing strategy could be harming the market by creating confusion in buyer’s minds
November 23, 2007 at 12:48 PM #103079Ex-SDParticipantsdrealtor: I think that too many people and possibly you, have been immersed in the SoCal real estate game so long that you don’t really realize what happens in most of the rest of the USA. Things have been so out of whack and crazy in CA when it comes to housing prices that it’s easy to get totally out of touch with reality. I believe that there will be plenty of willing sellers (The Banks) when they eat enough of these properties and they sit on them long enough. Several markets (not just one) in Florida have already had builders selling their remaining inventory of new homes at 50% less than they were selling them for just a year or two ago and in Sacramento, there are REO’s that the banks have priced at 50% discounts (homes less than 3-4 years old) to move them but they can’t find qualified buyers. Wanna guess the financial hit that they’ll wind up taking on those? My point is that these tract homes have no special pedestal that they sit on and just because a bunch of fools bought into the game and drank the kool-aid by paying too much for these homes when they were new. They may only be several years old but that doesn’t meant that they can’t see some severe drops when enough standing inventory sits on the lenders books for too long a period and the stockholders start demanding that they do something about it. I worked as an executive for several very large corporations and also was the CEO of a large retail corporation for 15 years and I’ve seen the pressure come raining down from the stockholders too many times. I think that it will also happen when it comes to the REO inventory that is growing like wild weeds. Add to that, the homeowners who will have to sell due to job transfers, divorces and job loses and will have to compete with the REO’s and you’re going to see some big drops in pricing. Simple logic tells me that the good ole times for the CA real estate market have gone bye-bye for quite a few years to come.
November 23, 2007 at 12:48 PM #103162Ex-SDParticipantsdrealtor: I think that too many people and possibly you, have been immersed in the SoCal real estate game so long that you don’t really realize what happens in most of the rest of the USA. Things have been so out of whack and crazy in CA when it comes to housing prices that it’s easy to get totally out of touch with reality. I believe that there will be plenty of willing sellers (The Banks) when they eat enough of these properties and they sit on them long enough. Several markets (not just one) in Florida have already had builders selling their remaining inventory of new homes at 50% less than they were selling them for just a year or two ago and in Sacramento, there are REO’s that the banks have priced at 50% discounts (homes less than 3-4 years old) to move them but they can’t find qualified buyers. Wanna guess the financial hit that they’ll wind up taking on those? My point is that these tract homes have no special pedestal that they sit on and just because a bunch of fools bought into the game and drank the kool-aid by paying too much for these homes when they were new. They may only be several years old but that doesn’t meant that they can’t see some severe drops when enough standing inventory sits on the lenders books for too long a period and the stockholders start demanding that they do something about it. I worked as an executive for several very large corporations and also was the CEO of a large retail corporation for 15 years and I’ve seen the pressure come raining down from the stockholders too many times. I think that it will also happen when it comes to the REO inventory that is growing like wild weeds. Add to that, the homeowners who will have to sell due to job transfers, divorces and job loses and will have to compete with the REO’s and you’re going to see some big drops in pricing. Simple logic tells me that the good ole times for the CA real estate market have gone bye-bye for quite a few years to come.
November 23, 2007 at 12:48 PM #103174Ex-SDParticipantsdrealtor: I think that too many people and possibly you, have been immersed in the SoCal real estate game so long that you don’t really realize what happens in most of the rest of the USA. Things have been so out of whack and crazy in CA when it comes to housing prices that it’s easy to get totally out of touch with reality. I believe that there will be plenty of willing sellers (The Banks) when they eat enough of these properties and they sit on them long enough. Several markets (not just one) in Florida have already had builders selling their remaining inventory of new homes at 50% less than they were selling them for just a year or two ago and in Sacramento, there are REO’s that the banks have priced at 50% discounts (homes less than 3-4 years old) to move them but they can’t find qualified buyers. Wanna guess the financial hit that they’ll wind up taking on those? My point is that these tract homes have no special pedestal that they sit on and just because a bunch of fools bought into the game and drank the kool-aid by paying too much for these homes when they were new. They may only be several years old but that doesn’t meant that they can’t see some severe drops when enough standing inventory sits on the lenders books for too long a period and the stockholders start demanding that they do something about it. I worked as an executive for several very large corporations and also was the CEO of a large retail corporation for 15 years and I’ve seen the pressure come raining down from the stockholders too many times. I think that it will also happen when it comes to the REO inventory that is growing like wild weeds. Add to that, the homeowners who will have to sell due to job transfers, divorces and job loses and will have to compete with the REO’s and you’re going to see some big drops in pricing. Simple logic tells me that the good ole times for the CA real estate market have gone bye-bye for quite a few years to come.
November 23, 2007 at 12:48 PM #103196Ex-SDParticipantsdrealtor: I think that too many people and possibly you, have been immersed in the SoCal real estate game so long that you don’t really realize what happens in most of the rest of the USA. Things have been so out of whack and crazy in CA when it comes to housing prices that it’s easy to get totally out of touch with reality. I believe that there will be plenty of willing sellers (The Banks) when they eat enough of these properties and they sit on them long enough. Several markets (not just one) in Florida have already had builders selling their remaining inventory of new homes at 50% less than they were selling them for just a year or two ago and in Sacramento, there are REO’s that the banks have priced at 50% discounts (homes less than 3-4 years old) to move them but they can’t find qualified buyers. Wanna guess the financial hit that they’ll wind up taking on those? My point is that these tract homes have no special pedestal that they sit on and just because a bunch of fools bought into the game and drank the kool-aid by paying too much for these homes when they were new. They may only be several years old but that doesn’t meant that they can’t see some severe drops when enough standing inventory sits on the lenders books for too long a period and the stockholders start demanding that they do something about it. I worked as an executive for several very large corporations and also was the CEO of a large retail corporation for 15 years and I’ve seen the pressure come raining down from the stockholders too many times. I think that it will also happen when it comes to the REO inventory that is growing like wild weeds. Add to that, the homeowners who will have to sell due to job transfers, divorces and job loses and will have to compete with the REO’s and you’re going to see some big drops in pricing. Simple logic tells me that the good ole times for the CA real estate market have gone bye-bye for quite a few years to come.
November 23, 2007 at 12:48 PM #103218Ex-SDParticipantsdrealtor: I think that too many people and possibly you, have been immersed in the SoCal real estate game so long that you don’t really realize what happens in most of the rest of the USA. Things have been so out of whack and crazy in CA when it comes to housing prices that it’s easy to get totally out of touch with reality. I believe that there will be plenty of willing sellers (The Banks) when they eat enough of these properties and they sit on them long enough. Several markets (not just one) in Florida have already had builders selling their remaining inventory of new homes at 50% less than they were selling them for just a year or two ago and in Sacramento, there are REO’s that the banks have priced at 50% discounts (homes less than 3-4 years old) to move them but they can’t find qualified buyers. Wanna guess the financial hit that they’ll wind up taking on those? My point is that these tract homes have no special pedestal that they sit on and just because a bunch of fools bought into the game and drank the kool-aid by paying too much for these homes when they were new. They may only be several years old but that doesn’t meant that they can’t see some severe drops when enough standing inventory sits on the lenders books for too long a period and the stockholders start demanding that they do something about it. I worked as an executive for several very large corporations and also was the CEO of a large retail corporation for 15 years and I’ve seen the pressure come raining down from the stockholders too many times. I think that it will also happen when it comes to the REO inventory that is growing like wild weeds. Add to that, the homeowners who will have to sell due to job transfers, divorces and job loses and will have to compete with the REO’s and you’re going to see some big drops in pricing. Simple logic tells me that the good ole times for the CA real estate market have gone bye-bye for quite a few years to come.
November 23, 2007 at 8:56 PM #103124farbetParticipantDitto Ditto EX SD
SD Realtor things are really bad out there from conversations with folks that I know. We are in a recession.Bernake is sugar coating the numbers. The next step are layoffs then “panic”
Its worst than the 90 -91 recession of “Read my lips”GHWBush tax increases.November 23, 2007 at 8:56 PM #103207farbetParticipantDitto Ditto EX SD
SD Realtor things are really bad out there from conversations with folks that I know. We are in a recession.Bernake is sugar coating the numbers. The next step are layoffs then “panic”
Its worst than the 90 -91 recession of “Read my lips”GHWBush tax increases. -
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