Salary for Sr. Java Engineer

[Anonymous]

>> BTW: I was totally totally shocked to learn UCSD teaches very little embedded and real-time O.S and very little practical use on concurrency

20 yrs ago it wasnt like that. i took and ta’ed an real time systems/concurrency class at ucsd. that class had hw, where you had to use sw to control trains that shared an intersection. if you didnt understand semaphores by then, you were hopeless lost.

granted this was an upper division elective and not required. the switch over to java started about 10 yrs ago, and actually a sad state of affairs. 10 yrs ago the assembly stuff would weed everyone out. here comes the fuddy dud…what amazes me now about the kids in the last 10 yrs is how disconnected there are to HOW things work: hw, stacks, linkers, compilers, build systems, etc. tools do everything for them(even write code for them!). when they get if if those tools dont exist, they’re useless. for embedded stuff their done. stick a fork in them. unfortunately the learning curve is too steep once they’re employed (a few bright ones can get by).

[ucodegen]

[quote flu]
Sounds a lot like ABE systems. (defense company with their letters purposely scrambled)…and their death spiral… Yeah, good lucky winning those government contracts and being able to execute…Oh wait…Never mind…Oops, I didn’t say that 🙂
[/quote]
Close.. and it is a defense company, though not ‘ABE’ systems. I did work for ‘ABE’ systems prevously, before they became ‘ABE’ and were of their original name.

[quote flu]
BTW: I was totally totally shocked to learn UCSD teaches very little embedded and real-time O.S and very little practical use on concurrency and multi-threading…Everything is Java. Totally unfrickinunbelievable…I remember taking O/S at USC and we had to write a stupid toy O/S (nachos, or something like that)…
[/quote]
I’ve noticed the same thing. A loss of the fundamentals. Too many students were having problems with it, and the powers that be wanted to be ‘relevant’ to the ‘new technology’. Oddly, they were doing this as the EE & CS departments were ‘impacted’ because of the number of students. They should have kept the fundamentals in as a way to weed out candidates.

I remember doing the compiler class @ UCSD without any additional ‘libraries’ that are given to you. In fact, I have heard that many of the projects are just ‘incorporating’ existing libraries to accomplish the projects vs writing the solution ‘cold’.

grepper:
How did you come up with your handle. It is an odd one, which happens to be the name of a simple utility I wrote a long-long time ago.

[ucodegen]

[quote flu]
Sounds a lot like ABE systems. (defense company with their letters purposely scrambled)…and their death spiral… Yeah, good lucky winning those government contracts and being able to execute…Oh wait…Never mind…Oops, I didn’t say that 🙂
[/quote]
Close.. and it is a defense company, though not ‘ABE’ systems. I did work for ‘ABE’ systems prevously, before they became ‘ABE’ and were of their original name.

[quote flu]
BTW: I was totally totally shocked to learn UCSD teaches very little embedded and real-time O.S and very little practical use on concurrency and multi-threading…Everything is Java. Totally unfrickinunbelievable…I remember taking O/S at USC and we had to write a stupid toy O/S (nachos, or something like that)…
[/quote]
I’ve noticed the same thing. A loss of the fundamentals. Too many students were having problems with it, and the powers that be wanted to be ‘relevant’ to the ‘new technology’. Oddly, they were doing this as the EE & CS departments were ‘impacted’ because of the number of students. They should have kept the fundamentals in as a way to weed out candidates.

I remember doing the compiler class @ UCSD without any additional ‘libraries’ that are given to you. In fact, I have heard that many of the projects are just ‘incorporating’ existing libraries to accomplish the projects vs writing the solution ‘cold’.

grepper:
How did you come up with your handle. It is an odd one, which happens to be the name of a simple utility I wrote a long-long time ago.

[ucodegen]

[quote flu]
Sounds a lot like ABE systems. (defense company with their letters purposely scrambled)…and their death spiral… Yeah, good lucky winning those government contracts and being able to execute…Oh wait…Never mind…Oops, I didn’t say that 🙂
[/quote]
Close.. and it is a defense company, though not ‘ABE’ systems. I did work for ‘ABE’ systems prevously, before they became ‘ABE’ and were of their original name.

[quote flu]
BTW: I was totally totally shocked to learn UCSD teaches very little embedded and real-time O.S and very little practical use on concurrency and multi-threading…Everything is Java. Totally unfrickinunbelievable…I remember taking O/S at USC and we had to write a stupid toy O/S (nachos, or something like that)…
[/quote]
I’ve noticed the same thing. A loss of the fundamentals. Too many students were having problems with it, and the powers that be wanted to be ‘relevant’ to the ‘new technology’. Oddly, they were doing this as the EE & CS departments were ‘impacted’ because of the number of students. They should have kept the fundamentals in as a way to weed out candidates.

I remember doing the compiler class @ UCSD without any additional ‘libraries’ that are given to you. In fact, I have heard that many of the projects are just ‘incorporating’ existing libraries to accomplish the projects vs writing the solution ‘cold’.

grepper:
How did you come up with your handle. It is an odd one, which happens to be the name of a simple utility I wrote a long-long time ago.

[ucodegen]

[quote flu]
Sounds a lot like ABE systems. (defense company with their letters purposely scrambled)…and their death spiral… Yeah, good lucky winning those government contracts and being able to execute…Oh wait…Never mind…Oops, I didn’t say that 🙂
[/quote]
Close.. and it is a defense company, though not ‘ABE’ systems. I did work for ‘ABE’ systems prevously, before they became ‘ABE’ and were of their original name.

[quote flu]
BTW: I was totally totally shocked to learn UCSD teaches very little embedded and real-time O.S and very little practical use on concurrency and multi-threading…Everything is Java. Totally unfrickinunbelievable…I remember taking O/S at USC and we had to write a stupid toy O/S (nachos, or something like that)…
[/quote]
I’ve noticed the same thing. A loss of the fundamentals. Too many students were having problems with it, and the powers that be wanted to be ‘relevant’ to the ‘new technology’. Oddly, they were doing this as the EE & CS departments were ‘impacted’ because of the number of students. They should have kept the fundamentals in as a way to weed out candidates.

I remember doing the compiler class @ UCSD without any additional ‘libraries’ that are given to you. In fact, I have heard that many of the projects are just ‘incorporating’ existing libraries to accomplish the projects vs writing the solution ‘cold’.

grepper:
How did you come up with your handle. It is an odd one, which happens to be the name of a simple utility I wrote a long-long time ago.

[ucodegen]

[quote flu]
Sounds a lot like ABE systems. (defense company with their letters purposely scrambled)…and their death spiral… Yeah, good lucky winning those government contracts and being able to execute…Oh wait…Never mind…Oops, I didn’t say that 🙂
[/quote]
Close.. and it is a defense company, though not ‘ABE’ systems. I did work for ‘ABE’ systems prevously, before they became ‘ABE’ and were of their original name.

[quote flu]
BTW: I was totally totally shocked to learn UCSD teaches very little embedded and real-time O.S and very little practical use on concurrency and multi-threading…Everything is Java. Totally unfrickinunbelievable…I remember taking O/S at USC and we had to write a stupid toy O/S (nachos, or something like that)…
[/quote]
I’ve noticed the same thing. A loss of the fundamentals. Too many students were having problems with it, and the powers that be wanted to be ‘relevant’ to the ‘new technology’. Oddly, they were doing this as the EE & CS departments were ‘impacted’ because of the number of students. They should have kept the fundamentals in as a way to weed out candidates.

I remember doing the compiler class @ UCSD without any additional ‘libraries’ that are given to you. In fact, I have heard that many of the projects are just ‘incorporating’ existing libraries to accomplish the projects vs writing the solution ‘cold’.

grepper:
How did you come up with your handle. It is an odd one, which happens to be the name of a simple utility I wrote a long-long time ago.

[Anonymous]

>> How did you come up with your handle.

i’m a user of grep and wanted a reference to some tool that i find useful. thought it was better than devnull or devzero 🙂

ucodegen, you cant be the original grep writer(written 40 yrs ago), k.t., can you? what did your tool grepper/greper do?

“compiler class @ UCSD” — that class(2 parter) also thinned the ranks out too. along w/ data structures 2 parter, where you learned c++ on the fly, they didnt have a c warm up class either.

[Anonymous]

>> How did you come up with your handle.

i’m a user of grep and wanted a reference to some tool that i find useful. thought it was better than devnull or devzero 🙂

ucodegen, you cant be the original grep writer(written 40 yrs ago), k.t., can you? what did your tool grepper/greper do?

“compiler class @ UCSD” — that class(2 parter) also thinned the ranks out too. along w/ data structures 2 parter, where you learned c++ on the fly, they didnt have a c warm up class either.

[Anonymous]

>> How did you come up with your handle.

i’m a user of grep and wanted a reference to some tool that i find useful. thought it was better than devnull or devzero 🙂

ucodegen, you cant be the original grep writer(written 40 yrs ago), k.t., can you? what did your tool grepper/greper do?

“compiler class @ UCSD” — that class(2 parter) also thinned the ranks out too. along w/ data structures 2 parter, where you learned c++ on the fly, they didnt have a c warm up class either.

[Anonymous]

>> How did you come up with your handle.

i’m a user of grep and wanted a reference to some tool that i find useful. thought it was better than devnull or devzero 🙂

ucodegen, you cant be the original grep writer(written 40 yrs ago), k.t., can you? what did your tool grepper/greper do?

“compiler class @ UCSD” — that class(2 parter) also thinned the ranks out too. along w/ data structures 2 parter, where you learned c++ on the fly, they didnt have a c warm up class either.

[Anonymous]

>> How did you come up with your handle.

i’m a user of grep and wanted a reference to some tool that i find useful. thought it was better than devnull or devzero 🙂

ucodegen, you cant be the original grep writer(written 40 yrs ago), k.t., can you? what did your tool grepper/greper do?

“compiler class @ UCSD” — that class(2 parter) also thinned the ranks out too. along w/ data structures 2 parter, where you learned c++ on the fly, they didnt have a c warm up class either.

[svelte]

Wow, all those classes (assembly, compiler writing, 2-part data structures, C, etc) were at Cal State Chico when I was there too. It did successfully weed out many people. (btw, at that point in time, HP hired more sw grads from Chico than any other university…not sure if that is still true)

My current company has been able to find quite a few very sharp software grads over the last few years. These people are sharp and dedicated…they’re not coming from UCSD but from other universities from the most part. I’m not saying that UCSD doesn’t create sharp sw people now, just that we haven’t hired much from UCSD as of late.

Also agree that there is a sudden resurgence for people who know raw hardware level coding, thanks in large part to the move to handheld devices. Speedy, compact software is once again king, and that always drives one to write as close to the HW as possible.

Another reason UCSD (and maybe other universities) have moved wholesale behind Java is that the basic tools are cheap or free….costs the university very little to teach Java. Now if they want to add VxWorks or similar to their cirriculum, well now we’re talking more significant licensing fees.

[svelte]

Wow, all those classes (assembly, compiler writing, 2-part data structures, C, etc) were at Cal State Chico when I was there too. It did successfully weed out many people. (btw, at that point in time, HP hired more sw grads from Chico than any other university…not sure if that is still true)

My current company has been able to find quite a few very sharp software grads over the last few years. These people are sharp and dedicated…they’re not coming from UCSD but from other universities from the most part. I’m not saying that UCSD doesn’t create sharp sw people now, just that we haven’t hired much from UCSD as of late.

Also agree that there is a sudden resurgence for people who know raw hardware level coding, thanks in large part to the move to handheld devices. Speedy, compact software is once again king, and that always drives one to write as close to the HW as possible.

Another reason UCSD (and maybe other universities) have moved wholesale behind Java is that the basic tools are cheap or free….costs the university very little to teach Java. Now if they want to add VxWorks or similar to their cirriculum, well now we’re talking more significant licensing fees.

[svelte]

Wow, all those classes (assembly, compiler writing, 2-part data structures, C, etc) were at Cal State Chico when I was there too. It did successfully weed out many people. (btw, at that point in time, HP hired more sw grads from Chico than any other university…not sure if that is still true)

My current company has been able to find quite a few very sharp software grads over the last few years. These people are sharp and dedicated…they’re not coming from UCSD but from other universities from the most part. I’m not saying that UCSD doesn’t create sharp sw people now, just that we haven’t hired much from UCSD as of late.

Also agree that there is a sudden resurgence for people who know raw hardware level coding, thanks in large part to the move to handheld devices. Speedy, compact software is once again king, and that always drives one to write as close to the HW as possible.

Another reason UCSD (and maybe other universities) have moved wholesale behind Java is that the basic tools are cheap or free….costs the university very little to teach Java. Now if they want to add VxWorks or similar to their cirriculum, well now we’re talking more significant licensing fees.

[svelte]

Wow, all those classes (assembly, compiler writing, 2-part data structures, C, etc) were at Cal State Chico when I was there too. It did successfully weed out many people. (btw, at that point in time, HP hired more sw grads from Chico than any other university…not sure if that is still true)

My current company has been able to find quite a few very sharp software grads over the last few years. These people are sharp and dedicated…they’re not coming from UCSD but from other universities from the most part. I’m not saying that UCSD doesn’t create sharp sw people now, just that we haven’t hired much from UCSD as of late.

Also agree that there is a sudden resurgence for people who know raw hardware level coding, thanks in large part to the move to handheld devices. Speedy, compact software is once again king, and that always drives one to write as close to the HW as possible.

Another reason UCSD (and maybe other universities) have moved wholesale behind Java is that the basic tools are cheap or free….costs the university very little to teach Java. Now if they want to add VxWorks or similar to their cirriculum, well now we’re talking more significant licensing fees.

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