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June 2, 2008 at 9:49 PM #215894June 3, 2008 at 6:40 AM #216032LA_RenterParticipant
Here is the big obstacle that I can see going through the balance of 2008. The S&P and many other analyst are projecting third-quarter profits to rise 14%, and fourth-quarter earnings to jump 62%.. Yesterday S&P downgraded credit ratings on Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch. and Lehman and the outlooks for all these firms are negative for the balance of this year, now if you ask me that is a sure sign of a solid rebound in earnings (snark).
June 3, 2008 at 6:40 AM #216087LA_RenterParticipantHere is the big obstacle that I can see going through the balance of 2008. The S&P and many other analyst are projecting third-quarter profits to rise 14%, and fourth-quarter earnings to jump 62%.. Yesterday S&P downgraded credit ratings on Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch. and Lehman and the outlooks for all these firms are negative for the balance of this year, now if you ask me that is a sure sign of a solid rebound in earnings (snark).
June 3, 2008 at 6:40 AM #216060LA_RenterParticipantHere is the big obstacle that I can see going through the balance of 2008. The S&P and many other analyst are projecting third-quarter profits to rise 14%, and fourth-quarter earnings to jump 62%.. Yesterday S&P downgraded credit ratings on Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch. and Lehman and the outlooks for all these firms are negative for the balance of this year, now if you ask me that is a sure sign of a solid rebound in earnings (snark).
June 3, 2008 at 6:40 AM #216007LA_RenterParticipantHere is the big obstacle that I can see going through the balance of 2008. The S&P and many other analyst are projecting third-quarter profits to rise 14%, and fourth-quarter earnings to jump 62%.. Yesterday S&P downgraded credit ratings on Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch. and Lehman and the outlooks for all these firms are negative for the balance of this year, now if you ask me that is a sure sign of a solid rebound in earnings (snark).
June 3, 2008 at 6:40 AM #215924LA_RenterParticipantHere is the big obstacle that I can see going through the balance of 2008. The S&P and many other analyst are projecting third-quarter profits to rise 14%, and fourth-quarter earnings to jump 62%.. Yesterday S&P downgraded credit ratings on Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch. and Lehman and the outlooks for all these firms are negative for the balance of this year, now if you ask me that is a sure sign of a solid rebound in earnings (snark).
June 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM #216021sdduuuudeParticipantIn order for this to mean anything, you need to also have stats for the non-presidential years.
June 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM #216103sdduuuudeParticipantIn order for this to mean anything, you need to also have stats for the non-presidential years.
June 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM #216129sdduuuudeParticipantIn order for this to mean anything, you need to also have stats for the non-presidential years.
June 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM #216153sdduuuudeParticipantIn order for this to mean anything, you need to also have stats for the non-presidential years.
June 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM #216181sdduuuudeParticipantIn order for this to mean anything, you need to also have stats for the non-presidential years.
June 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM #219811equalizerParticipantThe stats May to Oct below are listed below. Again, not scientific – maybe superstitious, but just another indicator to examine. The same pattern exists in overseas markets as shown in second link. However, in presidential election years it is different, it has been more likely positive in June to Oct. Intuitively it makes sense, the White House will do all it can to keep their party in power, not sitting idle while market crashes. Of course market can still go down, but not as much if there is big effort to stop crash.
Look at the VIX, now at 23 was flashing caution on May 15, 2008 at reading of 16 and panic selling on Mar 17, 2008 at 32. VIX has been good indicator this this year, sell under 20, buy over 30. But guaranteed at 40, strong buy, very rare occurrence.
http://tinyurl.com/4f49fl (yahoo finance for VIX)
While the S&P 500 advanced an average of 7% during the November-April period over that span (without dividends reinvested), it posted an average gain of only 1.5% from May through October. What's more, the November-April period outperformed May-October 69% of the time." http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/may2005/pi2005054_2535_pi039.htm "
Some of the reasons behind this may relate to patterns in bonuses, taxes and savings vehicles. For those who receive part of their compensation as bonuses, most are paid anywhere from December to March. This is a result of companies basing bonuses on the calendar-year results, or in some cases in the form of holiday bonuses. This creates a large cash flow for these individuals, and since more of bonus money is likely to be saved than salary payments, a large portion of this is saved, with a sizable amount invested in stocks or stock funds." http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2002/05/27/newscolumn7.html
June 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM #219909equalizerParticipantThe stats May to Oct below are listed below. Again, not scientific – maybe superstitious, but just another indicator to examine. The same pattern exists in overseas markets as shown in second link. However, in presidential election years it is different, it has been more likely positive in June to Oct. Intuitively it makes sense, the White House will do all it can to keep their party in power, not sitting idle while market crashes. Of course market can still go down, but not as much if there is big effort to stop crash.
Look at the VIX, now at 23 was flashing caution on May 15, 2008 at reading of 16 and panic selling on Mar 17, 2008 at 32. VIX has been good indicator this this year, sell under 20, buy over 30. But guaranteed at 40, strong buy, very rare occurrence.
http://tinyurl.com/4f49fl (yahoo finance for VIX)
While the S&P 500 advanced an average of 7% during the November-April period over that span (without dividends reinvested), it posted an average gain of only 1.5% from May through October. What's more, the November-April period outperformed May-October 69% of the time." http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/may2005/pi2005054_2535_pi039.htm "
Some of the reasons behind this may relate to patterns in bonuses, taxes and savings vehicles. For those who receive part of their compensation as bonuses, most are paid anywhere from December to March. This is a result of companies basing bonuses on the calendar-year results, or in some cases in the form of holiday bonuses. This creates a large cash flow for these individuals, and since more of bonus money is likely to be saved than salary payments, a large portion of this is saved, with a sizable amount invested in stocks or stock funds." http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2002/05/27/newscolumn7.html
June 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM #219920equalizerParticipantThe stats May to Oct below are listed below. Again, not scientific – maybe superstitious, but just another indicator to examine. The same pattern exists in overseas markets as shown in second link. However, in presidential election years it is different, it has been more likely positive in June to Oct. Intuitively it makes sense, the White House will do all it can to keep their party in power, not sitting idle while market crashes. Of course market can still go down, but not as much if there is big effort to stop crash.
Look at the VIX, now at 23 was flashing caution on May 15, 2008 at reading of 16 and panic selling on Mar 17, 2008 at 32. VIX has been good indicator this this year, sell under 20, buy over 30. But guaranteed at 40, strong buy, very rare occurrence.
http://tinyurl.com/4f49fl (yahoo finance for VIX)
While the S&P 500 advanced an average of 7% during the November-April period over that span (without dividends reinvested), it posted an average gain of only 1.5% from May through October. What's more, the November-April period outperformed May-October 69% of the time." http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/may2005/pi2005054_2535_pi039.htm "
Some of the reasons behind this may relate to patterns in bonuses, taxes and savings vehicles. For those who receive part of their compensation as bonuses, most are paid anywhere from December to March. This is a result of companies basing bonuses on the calendar-year results, or in some cases in the form of holiday bonuses. This creates a large cash flow for these individuals, and since more of bonus money is likely to be saved than salary payments, a large portion of this is saved, with a sizable amount invested in stocks or stock funds." http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2002/05/27/newscolumn7.html
June 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM #219953equalizerParticipantThe stats May to Oct below are listed below. Again, not scientific – maybe superstitious, but just another indicator to examine. The same pattern exists in overseas markets as shown in second link. However, in presidential election years it is different, it has been more likely positive in June to Oct. Intuitively it makes sense, the White House will do all it can to keep their party in power, not sitting idle while market crashes. Of course market can still go down, but not as much if there is big effort to stop crash.
Look at the VIX, now at 23 was flashing caution on May 15, 2008 at reading of 16 and panic selling on Mar 17, 2008 at 32. VIX has been good indicator this this year, sell under 20, buy over 30. But guaranteed at 40, strong buy, very rare occurrence.
http://tinyurl.com/4f49fl (yahoo finance for VIX)
While the S&P 500 advanced an average of 7% during the November-April period over that span (without dividends reinvested), it posted an average gain of only 1.5% from May through October. What's more, the November-April period outperformed May-October 69% of the time." http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/may2005/pi2005054_2535_pi039.htm "
Some of the reasons behind this may relate to patterns in bonuses, taxes and savings vehicles. For those who receive part of their compensation as bonuses, most are paid anywhere from December to March. This is a result of companies basing bonuses on the calendar-year results, or in some cases in the form of holiday bonuses. This creates a large cash flow for these individuals, and since more of bonus money is likely to be saved than salary payments, a large portion of this is saved, with a sizable amount invested in stocks or stock funds." http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2002/05/27/newscolumn7.html
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