Ron Paul Questions and Concerns Well

[markmax33]

[quote=Arraya]Romanticizing bitterly resisted 19th century capitalism as a vision of the future is bat shit insane. Seriously, narrowing down a critique of modern industrial society to the “government” or the “Fed” is monumentally simplistic and entirely fanatical.[/quote]

Not learning from history that has repeated itself 100 times or more is bat shit insane. I clearly explained a working model from the past, and a working model in the present and you chose to completely disregard my logic and call names. At least find a real point to bring up.

[Arraya]

Naa, that’s alright. The current social train wreck is not fixable within the current system. We need broad based cultural and ultimately institutional changes. This is not going to happen by voting.

[aldante]

Arraya,
When I get depressed I sometimes think just like that. And who knows you may be right but i can only hope that this is not right. Because if the vote wonft fix it we are in for very very horrific times.

[scaredyclassic]

If coke is in office and you vote for pepsj all will be will. But if pepsi don’t work vote for dr pepper and everything will be ok

[markmax33]

[quote=Arraya]Naa, that’s alright. The current social train wreck is not fixable within the current system. We need broad based cultural and ultimately institutional changes. This is not going to happen by voting.[/quote]

Well Ron Paul has 20% of the vote already and he’s either going to win the Republican nomination or win as a third party. I see hope. You should join us and watch what happens. It’s the best cure for apathy.

For the first time people actually know what the federal reserve does how it works, etc. To me that is an amazing change in the american culture.

[markmax33]

[quote=walterwhite]If coke is in office and you vote for pepsj all will be will. But if pepsi don’t work vote for dr pepper and everything will be ok[/quote]

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

-Ghandi – Ron Paul 2012!

[SK in CV]

[quote=markmax33]

Well Ron Paul has 20% of the vote already and he’s either going to win the Republican nomination or win as a third party.
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In what universe? He doesn’t have 10% of republicans in recent polling. And the best he’s done in any recent nationwide polling is 13%. Without regards to my own feelings about the guy, you can’t really will him into a viable candidate. He simply isn’t viable.

[hslinger]

[quote=markmax33]Well Ron Paul’s either going to win the Republican nomination or win as a third party.[/quote]Want to put money on that?

Has he made any indication that he will run as a third party candidate?

[svelte]

[quote=SK in CV]
He doesn’t have 10% of republicans in recent polling. And the best he’s done in any recent nationwide polling is 13%. Without regards to my own feelings about the guy, you can’t really will him into a viable candidate. He simply isn’t viable.[/quote]

I’m with you here, but it’s not as dire as your polling numbers show.

For example, here are the Real Clear Politics polling numbers for October 31, 2007 a full year before the 2008 Presidential Election:

28.8% Giuliani
17.3% Thompson
14.5% McCain
10.8% Romney
7.2% Huckabee
2.8% Paul

As we all know, McCain won the Republican nomination in 2008, and he was only polling at 14.5% in October 2007.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2012_2008_gop_presidential_race_4_years_ago.html

[scaredyclassic]

If this whole plan is contingent on doctors volunteering free thru local churches, that would truly be amazing to see. Given the overhead the doctor will br bankrupt in 4 months. Back in the day he had to finance a little black bag with a stethescope. Now he can finance all kinds of required wondrous medical machinery. I don’t recall docs toting around an MRI machine in the 50s.

But seriously, in a world of fiat currencies, where no nation is “responsible”, is there really an advantage to the us dollar in it’s competition with other currencies for getting on a gold standard oreven acting fiscally responsible?

[SK in CV]

The current RCP numbers were the ones I looked at before I posted. I agree a lot can change. One of the differences, I think, is that Ron Paul has been through this before. He didn’t poll any better last time around. Republicans know who he is and have dismissed him. (I agree with those that say the press has been unfair to him, but it seems pretty unlikely that will change.)

I did see a poll this morning that I think was nationwide that had him at 14.5%. Everyone on the Republican side still in the race have had their day in the sun, and they all seem to be falling to the side except for Romney and Cain. I suspect Cain will fizzle shortly, when the absolute emptiness and silliness behind his 9-9-9 plan become obvious.

It’s not impossible that one of the others will rise again, though I think their popularity among Republicans, for those that have shown strength in the past (particularly Bachmann and Perry) is passionate but shallow. Someone else cold appear on the scene but the likely candidates have already said no. They have about 90 days to change their minds. (Chris Christie? I suspect whatever the reason he said no before will remain and he won’t change his mind.)

Barring new entrants in the race, for Paul supporters, it comes down to Romney v. Paul. And irrespective of Paul’s lack of respect from the press, he just doesn’t have the mass appeal that Romney has, as tepid as that appeal is. We’ll end up with <15% with passion for Paul and a > 30% plurality among Republicans with lukewarm support for Romney. I don’t see it turning out any other way.

[markmax33]

[quote=svelte][quote=SK in CV]
He doesn’t have 10% of republicans in recent polling. And the best he’s done in any recent nationwide polling is 13%. Without regards to my own feelings about the guy, you can’t really will him into a viable candidate. He simply isn’t viable.[/quote]

I’m with you here, but it’s not as dire as your polling numbers show.

For example, here are the Real Clear Politics polling numbers for October 31, 2007 a full year before the 2008 Presidential Election:

28.8% Giuliani
17.3% Thompson
14.5% McCain
10.8% Romney
7.2% Huckabee
2.8% Paul

As we all know, McCain won the Republican nomination in 2008, and he was only polling at 14.5% in October 2007.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2012_2008_gop_presidential_race_4_years_ago.html%5B/quote%5D

Poll numbers are done by phone calls to land lines and they don’t call cell phones. It therefore dramatically skews Dr. Ron Paul’s numbers because the majority of young people don’t buy land-lines anymore. He is around 20% if you take that margin of error into the polls.

[markmax33]

[quote=SK in CV]The current RCP numbers were the ones I looked at before I posted. I agree a lot can change. One of the differences, I think, is that Ron Paul has been through this before. He didn’t poll any better last time around. Republicans know who he is and have dismissed him. (I agree with those that say the press has been unfair to him, but it seems pretty unlikely that will change.)

I did see a poll this morning that I think was nationwide that had him at 14.5%. Everyone on the Republican side still in the race have had their day in the sun, and they all seem to be falling to the side except for Romney and Cain. I suspect Cain will fizzle shortly, when the absolute emptiness and silliness behind his 9-9-9 plan become obvious.

It’s not impossible that one of the others will rise again, though I think their popularity among Republicans, for those that have shown strength in the past (particularly Bachmann and Perry) is passionate but shallow. Someone else cold appear on the scene but the likely candidates have already said no. They have about 90 days to change their minds. (Chris Christie? I suspect whatever the reason he said no before will remain and he won’t change his mind.)

Barring new entrants in the race, for Paul supporters, it comes down to Romney v. Paul. And irrespective of Paul’s lack of respect from the press, he just doesn’t have the mass appeal that Romney has, as tepid as that appeal is. We’ll end up with <15% with passion for Paul and a > 30% plurality among Republicans with lukewarm support for Romney. I don’t see it turning out any other way.[/quote]

He was in the low single digits 4 years ago and now he’s around 20%. That’s a massive increase. He doesn’t have much further to go and he has a kid who can pick up where he leaves off. There is hope for this year and every year forward, you need to wake up and join the movement.

[scaredyclassic]

Wasn’t the English pound a metals based currency that failed to retains it’s world reserve status?

[markmax33]

[quote=walterwhite]Wasn’t the English pound a metals based currency that failed.[/quote]

Most currencies start around a metal and then the GOV needs to fund a war and delinks the fiat currency and then prints to infinity and then it defaults. It’s happened 1000s of times in history.

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