Ron Paul Questions and Concerns Well

[sdrealtor]

Is the City of LA bankrupt? Thats where he worked. In the City of Encinitas (not bankrupt either) most firefighters bring home gross wages well above 100K and have rich health and retirement benefits.

My point was they can do it here as they are well paid. In most parts of the US you can buy a home and send your kids to state colleges with 1 working parent. You have just chosen to live in one of the more expensive places in the country where it is much harder.

[an]

[quote=markmax33]A family with a single income engineer could raise 2 children in the 1950s and them to college.
[/quote]
They can do it in 2011 as well. Many of my coworkers’ wives are stay at home moms.

[markmax33]

[quote=AN][quote=markmax33]A family with a single income engineer could raise 2 children in the 1950s and them to college.
[/quote]
They can do it in 2011 as well. Many of my coworkers’ wives are stay at home moms.[/quote]

The median engineer in San Diego making $80k per year is not raising 2 kids, paying a mortgage and paying for his kids college. An Engineer way out of the statistical norm making $150k might be able to BARELY scrape by. Stop lying to yourself.

[markmax33]

[quote=sdrealtor]Is the City of LA bankrupt? Thats where he worked. In the City of Encinitas (not bankrupt either) most firefighters bring home gross wages well above 100K and have rich health and retirement benefits.

My point was they can do it here as they are well paid. In most parts of the US you can buy a home and send your kids to state colleges with 1 working parent. You have just chosen to live in one of the more expensive places in the country where it is much harder.[/quote]

Regardless, a fire fighter making $150k is WAY out of the statistical norm for the country. The median is in the $60k range. Many of them game the overtime system to death and work an ungodly amount of double pay overtime, but that’s not what I’m talking about. Those are anecdotal cases. Read this report:

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos329.htm

[markmax33]

[quote=markmax33][quote=AN][quote=markmax33]A family with a single income engineer could raise 2 children in the 1950s and them to college.
[/quote]
They can do it in 2011 as well. Many of my coworkers’ wives are stay at home moms.[/quote]

The median engineer in San Diego making $80k per year is not raising 2 kids, paying a mortgage and paying for his kids college. An Engineer way out of the statistical norm making $150k might be able to BARELY scrape by. Stop lying to yourself.[/quote]

Engineers make $75k as the median:

http://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/

[markmax33]

[quote=walterwhite]Not My wife…but I’ve met a lot of doctors. Don’t they seem to think they know more than they know?

I don’t trust doctor politicians.[/quote]

If you listen to ANY videos or read anything from Dr. Paul he is the nicest man alive. He delivered 4000 babies and by definition Libertarians are very peaceful and nice people.

[markmax33]

[quote=walterwhite]I am forgiving, just because he got a weird vibe from Jews doesn’t mean I can never trust him. But he to to put on a yarmulke for 10 minutes.[/quote]

Jewish people call anybody antisemitic who attacks their banking system or says we shouldn’t waste our money trying to protect Israel even if we are going broke. We can’t afford to protect everyone in the world and we even hurt Israel by “protecting” them militarily. We give 4 times as much foreign aid to Israel’s enemies as we do Israel and we interfere with her actions in the region. Israels has the military might to take care of herself and will blow Iran away by herself if she needs to.

[Anonymous]

[quote=sdrealtor]Is the City of LA bankrupt? Thats where he worked. In the City of Encinitas (not bankrupt either) most firefighters bring home gross wages well above 100K and have rich health and retirement benefits.

My point was they can do it here as they are well paid.[/quote]

The only point you are effectively making is that many city firefighters are ridiculously overcompensated. We’ve already established that fact pretty well on other threads.

Using examples of generous government compensation really doesn’t support the argument that the middle class is doing just fine. It actually supports the general libertarian position that government is too big and spends too much.

You are actually making a better argument in favor of Ron Paul than our new friend markmax – but that really is not hard to do.

[SK in CV]

[quote=pri_dk]
The only point you are effectively making is that many city firefighters are ridiculously overcompensated. We’ve already established that fact pretty well on other threads.

Using examples of generous government compensation really doesn’t support the argument that the middle class is doing just fine. It actually supports the general libertarian position that government is too big and spends too much.

You are actually making a better argument in favor of Ron Paul than our new friend markmax – but that really is not hard to do.[/quote]

Not really. Markmax point, which I don’t think anyone can logically dispute, is that there has been significant inflation in the last 60 years. (Duh!) He’s made the point with rediculous absolute assertions which can easily be proven wrong. I’m reasonbly sure that no one here has tried to claim that middle class is doing just fine, only that there are are exceptions to markmax’s absolute claims. (Note to markmax, when you make absolute assertions like “nobody can do this now”, all it takes is a single example to disprove.) I don’t think proving we’ve had inflation is the least bit supportive of Ron Paul.

Markmax lives in a manichean world of absolutes. His writing writings reflect that over and over again. When that kind of thinking becomes pathological, it also becomes dangerous, as it has here. Most of us live in a world with nuance. He doesn’t. I’m tired of teasing the monkeys.

[DomoArigato]

[quote=markmax33]
If you listen to ANY videos or read anything from Dr. Paul he is the nicest man alive. He delivered 4000 babies and by definition Libertarians are very peaceful and nice people.[/quote]

Is Rand Paul a Libertarian? Because stomping on a woman’s head and neck when she is already face down on the pavement doesn’t seem like a very nice thing to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7b7i-cMRs

Another question: What is the Libertarian plan to fix the economy?

[scaredyclassic]

Doctors can do nice things, but are often afflicted with a pathological type of altruism. They think they know best. I actually like Ron Paul, don’t care about Israel, but still suspicious of doctors.

[an]

[quote=markmax33][quote=markmax33][quote=AN][quote=markmax33]A family with a single income engineer could raise 2 children in the 1950s and them to college.
[/quote]
They can do it in 2011 as well. Many of my coworkers’ wives are stay at home moms.[/quote]

The median engineer in San Diego making $80k per year is not raising 2 kids, paying a mortgage and paying for his kids college. An Engineer way out of the statistical norm making $150k might be able to BARELY scrape by. Stop lying to yourself.[/quote]

Engineers make $75k as the median:

http://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/%5B/quote%5D
You make more than that median after 3-4 years of experience in my industry. However, to get to $150k, you need to be a director level. You don’t need to be a director to live on single income. Many people I know who are living on single income are not directors. While you’re talking about theoretical, I’m talking about real people who are doing well on single income.

[markmax33]

[quote=AN][quote=markmax33][quote=markmax33][quote=AN][quote=markmax33]A family with a single income engineer could raise 2 children in the 1950s and them to college.
[/quote]
They can do it in 2011 as well. Many of my coworkers’ wives are stay at home moms.[/quote]

The median engineer in San Diego making $80k per year is not raising 2 kids, paying a mortgage and paying for his kids college. An Engineer way out of the statistical norm making $150k might be able to BARELY scrape by. Stop lying to yourself.[/quote]

Engineers make $75k as the median:

http://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/%5B/quote%5D
You make more than that median after 3-4 years of experience in my industry. However, to get to $150k, you need to be a director level. You don’t need to be a director to live on single income. Many people I know who are living on single income are not directors. While you’re talking about theoretical, I’m talking about real people who are doing well on single income.[/quote]

$150k is for an Engineer is extremely high and in the top 5%. Thank you proving my point. I am an Engineer, I manage Engineers and I hire Engineers. $150 is not 3-4 years of experience in Mechanical, Civil, Structural, Fire Protection, Electrical, etc. That’s what the majority of Engineers are in this country.

[markmax33]

[quote=DomoArigato][quote=markmax33]
If you listen to ANY videos or read anything from Dr. Paul he is the nicest man alive. He delivered 4000 babies and by definition Libertarians are very peaceful and nice people.[/quote]

Is Rand Paul a Libertarian? Because stomping on a woman’s head and neck when she is already face down on the pavement doesn’t seem like a very nice thing to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7b7i-cMRs

Another question: What is the Libertarian plan to fix the economy?[/quote]

You can pick a video from ANY candidate and find supporters doing crazy stuff. That is extremely anecdotal and you don’t know what that person did to the other person first. How do you know they didn’t attack them with rocks or a weapon? That vid proves absolutely nothing.

The economy is an EXTREMELY easy fix. We spent 1.5 Trillion dollars on national offense last year. We have 900 bases in 130+ countries. We’ve had 50,000+ troops in Germany and Korea feeding those economies for years and proping up those economies. The second you slash national offense and bring home 100,000 troops they start spending their $150,000 salaries at home and you see an economic boost. Next you start cutting programs that are obviously failing, which is the majority of them. My Dad owns a farm in Missouri and USA pays him $40,000 a year NOT to grow anything and let the land sit. Isn’t that crazy? I can go on and on. Your tax money at waste. Imagine we start slashing these wasteful programs and we lower your tax rate and balance the budget and you have more money to spend because your tax rate drops 5%. That is a true stimulus, not taking tax money, spinning it around DC, wasting 50% of it paying GOV fat cat salaries and then providing a bailout to the banks, or fake bailouts to the people owning housing that don’t work. In his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2HSDQk0Rzw

[markmax33]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=pri_dk]
The only point you are effectively making is that many city firefighters are ridiculously overcompensated. We’ve already established that fact pretty well on other threads.

Using examples of generous government compensation really doesn’t support the argument that the middle class is doing just fine. It actually supports the general libertarian position that government is too big and spends too much.

You are actually making a better argument in favor of Ron Paul than our new friend markmax – but that really is not hard to do.[/quote]

Not really. Markmax point, which I don’t think anyone can logically dispute, is that there has been significant inflation in the last 60 years. (Duh!) He’s made the point with rediculous absolute assertions which can easily be proven wrong. I’m reasonbly sure that no one here has tried to claim that middle class is doing just fine, only that there are are exceptions to markmax’s absolute claims. (Note to markmax, when you make absolute assertions like “nobody can do this now”, all it takes is a single example to disprove.) I don’t think proving we’ve had inflation is the least bit supportive of Ron Paul.

Markmax lives in a manichean world of absolutes. His writing writings reflect that over and over again. When that kind of thinking becomes pathological, it also becomes dangerous, as it has here. Most of us live in a world with nuance. He doesn’t. I’m tired of teasing the monkeys.[/quote]

Are you really sitting here arguing semantics in an overall global point I am trying to make? You agree on the inflation therefore my point is proven. The middle class is being squeezed out. You are so childish to waste everyone’s time when I proved the point.

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