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May 13, 2020 at 12:31 AM #817206May 13, 2020 at 6:06 AM #817209
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May 13, 2020 at 6:53 AM #817210
svelteParticipant[quote=zk]
Made the mistake of debating friends who are trump fans on facebook. They’re so far gone it’s like talking to cult members. It’s just impossible to them that trump isn’t the greatest president ever and Obama isn’t the worst president ever. Yes, they keep bringing Obama up. One right-wing talking point after another ad nauseam. No independent thoughts, skepticism, logic, or reason whatsoever. [/quote]Yep, I’ve witnessed the same thing.
I must point out, though, the same thing happens to the left. I pointed out that they are constantly insinuating that “climate change” and “man-made global warming” are one and the same. They are not. They’ll point to a plethora of scientists who say man’s actions are warming the planet and again insinuate that 100% of the drought and temp change is caused by man.
When I point out reasons that’s not true, I get accused of being a climate change denier.
They won’t listen to reason. I found a study that proved my point and posted it – crickets. It did not match their agenda so they no longer wanted to participate. There was no “I guess you have a point” at all.
I am also completely baffled by their save-the-planet agenda that outlaws straws, plastic grocery bags, etc but not even a single mention of population control. In the long run, limiting the number of humans on the planet would have an effect so large that it would dwarf all of their other efforts put together. Yet not a word about it.
May 13, 2020 at 8:15 AM #817215scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=svelte][quote=zk]
Made the mistake of debating friends who are trump fans on facebook. They’re so far gone it’s like talking to cult members. It’s just impossible to them that trump isn’t the greatest president ever and Obama isn’t the worst president ever. Yes, they keep bringing Obama up. One right-wing talking point after another ad nauseam. No independent thoughts, skepticism, logic, or reason whatsoever. [/quote]Yep, I’ve witnessed the same thing.
I must point out, though, the same thing happens to the left. I pointed out that they are constantly insinuating that “climate change” and “man-made global warming” are one and the same. They are not. They’ll point to a plethora of scientists who say man’s actions are warming the planet and again insinuate that 100% of the drought and temp change is caused by man.
When I point out reasons that’s not true, I get accused of being a climate change denier.
They won’t listen to reason. I found a study that proved my point and posted it – crickets. It did not match their agenda so they no longer wanted to participate. There was no “I guess you have a point” at all.
I am also completely baffled by their save-the-planet agenda that outlaws straws, plastic grocery bags, etc but not even a single mention of population control. In the long run, limiting the number of humans on the planet would have an effect so large that it would dwarf all of their other efforts put together. Yet not a word about it.[/quote]
Everyone loves the environment but people think you’re nuts if you ride a bike.
It’s better not to engage with most normal people.
Also, reading facebook postings can cause enormous despair.
So much pro trump….you are filled with a sense of disgust.
On the bright side, if you’re somewhat smarter than average, in the USA, and doing well financially, it may be because you’re not as dumb as most people.
If you really think trump is a great president, at this point, I hff ave to think you’re a little dumb.
This is reason to be grateful. The swamp of human stupidity is necessary in many professions for you to be better off than others.
This may not be true.
May 13, 2020 at 9:21 AM #817218FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=svelte][quote=zk]
Made the mistake of debating friends who are trump fans on facebook. They’re so far gone it’s like talking to cult members. It’s just impossible to them that trump isn’t the greatest president ever and Obama isn’t the worst president ever. Yes, they keep bringing Obama up. One right-wing talking point after another ad nauseam. No independent thoughts, skepticism, logic, or reason whatsoever. [/quote]Yep, I’ve witnessed the same thing.
I must point out, though, the same thing happens to the left. I pointed out that they are constantly insinuating that “climate change” and “man-made global warming” are one and the same. They are not. They’ll point to a plethora of scientists who say man’s actions are warming the planet and again insinuate that 100% of the drought and temp change is caused by man.
When I point out reasons that’s not true, I get accused of being a climate change denier.
They won’t listen to reason. I found a study that proved my point and posted it – crickets. It did not match their agenda so they no longer wanted to participate. There was no “I guess you have a point” at all.
I am also completely baffled by their save-the-planet agenda that outlaws straws, plastic grocery bags, etc but not even a single mention of population control. In the long run, limiting the number of humans on the planet would have an effect so large that it would dwarf all of their other efforts put together. Yet not a word about it.[/quote]
That is not that same as there being a symmetrically left wing media that brainwashes people.
Climate change is by and large caused by humans and we can take steps to mitigate that without affecting our well being. For example, we could easily cut 1/2 of auto emissions and meat consumption with the right policies. And we’d be healthier for it.
“Climate change” is actually a right wing media talking point to detract from “man made global warming” They are not the same thing, but conflating the two for the purpose of achieving policy changes is not symmetrical to believing in crazy right wing news.
Svelte, I am afraid you have fallen for the pivot from global warming to climate change, orchestrated by the right wing. It’s an American thing just like “intelligent design”. The rest of the world is very much focused on man made global warming. Climate change is a wording change pushed by the United States in international organizations such as the UN.
May 13, 2020 at 9:38 AM #817220zk
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
This is reason to be grateful. The swamp of human stupidity is necessary in many professions for you to be better off than others.
This may not be true.[/quote]
When I was 16 I got a flat tire. We were in a parking lot and I was changing the tire, with my buddy next to me. We were in California, a long way from home, dressed in nothing but shorts, flip-flops, and brake dust. There was some sort of brake issue, too, and this passerby in a suit stopped to give us some technical advice. The three of us were chatting during this repair, and my buddy was frustrated about some idiot who had done something idiotic that had inconvenienced my friend. The idiot was in some – I don’t remember, exactly – position of power or high-paying position or something. The guy in the suit, who was just the right amount of upbeat and really seemed like he had his shit together, says to my buddy, “more room for guys like you and me.”
I don’t remember the exact context, but what the guy was saying was pretty much what you’re saying. My buddy’s face lit up as though he’d had a revelation. I don’t think that slice of “wisdom,” if you want to call it that, ever left my friend.
That guy was saying, “every guy of average intelligence and competence is another guy you can be in front of,” and maybe you’re saying (as an example) “(some) lawyers need dumb criminals.” I don’t know. Maybe both are true. Maybe neither. I think as a general rule, they’re both true.
I would not have said this three and a half years ago, but at this point I’m not convinced I wouldn’t give up the financial advantages that my abilities have gained me not to be surrounded by idiots and with my faith in humanity in ruins.
May 13, 2020 at 9:42 AM #817221Participant[quote=zk][quote=scaredyclassic]
This is reason to be grateful. The swamp of human stupidity is necessary in many professions for you to be better off than others.
This may not be true.[/quote]
When I was 16 I got a flat tire. I was changing the tire and my buddy was next to me. We were in California, a long way from home, dressed in nothing but shorts, flip-flops, and maybe brake dust. There was some sort of brake issue, too, and this passerby in a suit stopped to give us some technical advice. The three of us were chatting during this repair, and my buddy was frustrated about some idiot who had done something idiotic that had inconvenienced my friend. The idiot was in some – I don’t remember, exactly – position of power or high-paying position or something. The guy in the suit, who was just the right amount of upbeat and really seemed like he had his shit together, says to my buddy, “more room for guys like you and me.”
I don’t remember the exact context, but what the guy was saying was pretty much what you’re saying. My buddy’s face lit up as though he’d had a revelation. I don’t think that slice of “wisdom,” if you want to call it that, ever left my friend.
That guy was saying, “every guy of average intelligence and competence is another guy you can be in front of,” and maybe you’re saying (as an example) “(some) lawyers need dumb criminals.” I don’t know. Maybe both are true. Maybe neither. I think as a general rule, they’re both true.
I would not have said this three and a half years ago, but at this point I’m not convinced I wouldn’t give up the financial advantages that my abilities have gained me not to be surrounded by idiots and with my faith in humanity in ruins.[/quote]
It’s funny to think about the reverberation of words and acts over decades. I think I’m the sort of person who has a greater impression on people years later.
Once in the 80s, this very pretty girl called me up out of the blue. Not sure how she found my number. Shed been a girlfriend of a guy I hung out with. She was getting married but wanted to call it off and move out to be with me.
Which was crazy. I barely knew her. Other than that she was very attractive. She said something I’d said had really stuck with her and she thought we should be together.
I am not a particularly good looking guy, but the right words can be very powerful, even over years, a lifetime.
Luckily I was smart enough to decline, tell her to put the wedding on hold, and reconsider things. A dumber dude wouldve told her, come on over!
May 13, 2020 at 9:56 AM #817222ParticipantIn the short stories, RUMPOLE OF THE BAILEY, horace rumpole, renegade barrister, always toasts the Timson clan, to whom he is regular counsel, afamily of thieves who provides rumpole with his daily claret and cleaning supplies for his humble flat.
His uptiggt chamber mates always find his toasts morally repulsive.
When someone seems dumb, it really is not a cause to be upset. It is a cause for celebration of the diversity of the human family.
Also to be clear, I’m not saying I’m a genius or havent done a lot of dumb dhit. Just that I think I’m smarter than average, have better than average self control, and generally avoid fucking up my life in very avoidable ways.
I have plenty of shortcomings.
If you’ve never read a rumpole short story, by john Mortimer, give it a shot. So funny!
May 13, 2020 at 10:31 AM #817223Guest[quote=zk]Made the mistake of debating friends who are trump fans on facebook. They’re so far gone it’s like talking to cult members. It’s just impossible to them that trump isn’t the greatest president ever and Obama isn’t the worst president ever. Yes, they keep bringing Obama up. One right-wing talking point after another ad nauseam. No independent thoughts, skepticism, logic, or reason whatsoever. Completely brainwashed by right-wing propaganda.[/quote]
Please forgive the presumption… but my guess is that you still consider those people your friends, even after all that, because you try to understand their perspectives and you attribute their beliefs to the consumption of right wing media, It would be like somebody who suffers substance abuse and is therefore not fully responsible.
Do you think that your right wing friends would still consider you their friend, if, instead of reasoning with them, you behaved in a symmetrical way.
May 13, 2020 at 11:12 AM #817227Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]She was getting married but wanted to call it off and move out to be with me.
Which was crazy. I barely knew her. Other than that she was very attractive. She said something I’d said had really stuck with her and she thought we should be together.
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The scaredy magic exists in real life, too!
May 13, 2020 at 11:15 AM #817226Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
Do you think that your right wing friends would still consider you their friend, if, instead of reasoning with them, you behaved in a symmetrical way.[/quote]
If I behaved in a symmetrical way? Meaning bringing up One left-wing talking point after another ad nauseam? No independent thoughts, skepticism, logic, or reason whatsoever? Completely brainwashed by left-wing propaganda?
Do I think they’d still consider me a friend if I behaved that way? I’m certain they would. Because they do think I’m behaving that way. They think I’ve been brainwashed by the “lamestream media.” They think I’m the one ignoring the facts. And we’re still friends.
Except for one of them, who was putting words in my mouth. That, if you’ve followed me here, you might know is something I consider a cardinal sin. We weren’t good friends to start with (not since 1979, anyway), and he really is a total nutjob. I won’t be friends with him anymore. Not because he’s a brainwashed nutjob, but because he doesn’t respect me enough not to lie about what I’ve said. That’s a line you can’t cross.
May 13, 2020 at 11:32 AM #817228gogogosandiego
ParticipantSure the left does it too but this is a horrible attempt at an example.
“I found a study that proved my point…” lol
The Earth’s population is growing at about 1% which is going to become problematic in a few decades.
May 13, 2020 at 11:57 AM #817231Guest[quote=zk][quote=scaredyclassic]She was getting married but wanted to call it off and move out to be with me.
Which was crazy. I barely knew her. Other than that she was very attractive. She said something I’d said had really stuck with her and she thought we should be together.
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The scaredy magic exists in real life, too![/quote]
Yes, when i first read scaredy, I thought he was kinda goofy. But some of the things he wrote and the way wrote is beautiful and kinda mind blowing (in a small beautiful way). I am in love!
May 13, 2020 at 12:10 PM #817233Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=zk][quote=scaredyclassic]She was getting married but wanted to call it off and move out to be with me.
Which was crazy. I barely knew her. Other than that she was very attractive. She said something I’d said had really stuck with her and she thought we should be together.
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The scaredy magic exists in real life, too![/quote]
Yes, when i first read scaredy, I thought he was kinda goofy. But some of the things he wrote and the way wrote is beautiful and kinda mind blowing (in a small beautiful way). I am in love![/quote]
Maybe I’ve grown here.
May 13, 2020 at 12:14 PM #817229Participant[quote=zk][quote=scaredyclassic]She was getting married but wanted to call it off and move out to be with me.
Which was crazy. I barely knew her. Other than that she was very attractive. She said something I’d said had really stuck with her and she thought we should be together.
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The scaredy magic exists in real life, too![/quote]
I have a certain brutal somewhat fabricated radical honesty that can be, in the right light, somewhat sexy.
One of the cool things about being human is you get to think you’re smarter than most people, regardless of the evidence. We are wired that way. So no one feels bad, everyone else is a dope!
Jesus died not for our sins, but for our astonishing stupidity.
Or maybe he died for our lack of imagination, or lack of a sense of humor. Or bad lawyering at the sanhedrin trial. I bet a decent lawyer couldve avoided the death penalty.
Or maybe, as some japanese Christian’s believe, he did not die at all on the cross.
It was his brother who died on the cross while jesus went to japan and became a garlic farmer and got married.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-little-known-legend-of-jesus-in-japan-165354242/
Which is what I think probably happened. In fact, I’m sure of it.
Makes sense, in a mormony kinda way. Jesus goes where you are.
Japan, upstate ny. Missouri. Riverside county.
Time n space arent what we think
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