Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country

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[FlyerInHi]

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I defy anyone to tell me why they think Obama hates America (in a way that I can’t easily rip to shreds).

Or, EconProf or sdduuuude, tell me how such an idea can become so widespread without any supporting evidence unless people have been manipulated.[/quote]

The right-wing media is fueling fear and anxiety, not helping people embrace change and take advantage of opportunities. That works in the short term, but it’s not the long game.

[Anonymous]

[quote=zk]I defy anyone to tell me why they think Obama hates America (in a way that I can’t easily rip to shreds).

Or, EconProf or sdduuuude, tell me how such an idea can become so widespread without any supporting evidence unless people have been manipulated.[/quote]

There is overwhelming proof that Obama hates America:

https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+communist+muslim&source=lnms&tbm=vid

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There is overwhelming proof that Obama hates America:

https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+communist+muslim&source=lnms&tbm=vid%5B/quote%5D

Wow. For something as straightforward as a Google search to turn up that much comedy is pretty amazing.

[FlyerInHi]

I was watching Nic Maduro being interviewed in Russia. He talks just like Trump, blaming fake news and conspiracies against him.

I’m sad to say that I don’t find the American people exceptional or intelligent at all. They fall for the same rhetorics as Venezuelans, Cubans, Chinese or Russians.

[Anonymous]

Remember to never trust the mainstream media!

FOX NEWS CHANNEL CONTINUES ITS REIGN AS THE MOST-WATCHED BASIC CABLE NETWORK FOR 16 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS IN TOTAL DAY

FOX NEWS CHANNEL CONTINUES ITS REIGN AS THE MOST-WATCHED BASIC CABLE NETWORK FOR 16 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS IN TOTAL DAY

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=harvey]Remember to never trust the mainstream media!

FOX NEWS CHANNEL CONTINUES ITS REIGN AS THE MOST-WATCHED BASIC CABLE NETWORK FOR 16 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS IN TOTAL DAY

FOX NEWS CHANNEL CONTINUES ITS REIGN AS THE MOST-WATCHED BASIC CABLE NETWORK FOR 16 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS IN TOTAL DAY[/quote]

Makes perfect sense with a 40% deplorable population.

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Here’s some good news: /sarcasm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/10/31/trump-and-his-allies-are-laying-the-groundwork-for-a-saturday-night-massacre/?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.75fcb1e615b3

Let’s be clear on what’s happening in our politics right now. President Trump and his media allies are currently creating a vast, multi-tentacled, largely-fictional alternate media reality that casts large swaths of our government as irredeemably corrupt — with the explicitly declared purpose of laying the rationale for Trump to pardon his close associates or shut down the Russia probe, should he deem either necessary.

This guy also gets it:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-halloween-20171030-story.html

I cannot yet see how we, as a country, will find a way out of this pit of lies.

I have said that exact same thing. Also:

I don’t see how con man don gets away with ruining our country without all these lies being told on his behalf. I don’t see how republicans hold on to power without all of these lies. I don’t see how joe redneck votes republican if he knows what republicans are actually doing to him and to his country.

[FlyerInHi]

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I have said that exact same thing. Also:

I don’t see how con man don gets away with ruining our country without all these lies being told on his behalf. I don’t see how republicans hold on to power without all of these lies. I don’t see how joe redneck votes republican if he knows what republicans are actually doing to him and to his country.[/quote]

That’s why Republicans are not the same as Democrats, equally honorable but with a different point of view.

Republicans enabled Trump. They need to be held responsible from the top on down.

Republicans love guilt by association when it comes to terrorism. Well, Trump is a political terrorist. So in my view, if your brother voted for Trump, then you’re responsible.

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Here’s another way right-wing media are destroying our country:

Headline:

In battle with Mueller, Trump has a big advantage that Nixon did not

Quote that gives you the gist:

Trump will be benefiting from a very powerful and far-reaching network of media propaganda on his behalf — one that casts all these ongoing efforts to subject Trump to basic accountability as fundamentally illegitimate — that is nothing like anything Nixon had at his disposal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/12/18/in-battle-with-mueller-trump-has-a-big-advantage-that-nixon-did-not/?utm_term=.b8e0f4c48caa

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Possible scenario:

Democrats win the house and senate in 2018.

Mueller comes back with damning enough information against trump that impeachment and removal from office are inevitable (now that the republicans, who wouldn’t impeach him if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, are out of power).

Con man don, delusional jackass that he is, still considers himself innocent. He won’t give up and is impeached and removed from office. He loudly proclaims his innocence as he’s dragged from office, and fox et al. amplify his proclamation, yelling from the top of their antennae that the whole thing was a witch hunt, and that Mueller was biased and that the evidence was fabricated, planted, and otherwise false. This, of course, convinces the rubes who constitute his base that their man got screwed and that they got screwed and that the country got screwed by satanic liberals and the deep state.

It’s important to remember who these idiots are. These yokels won in 2016, and they’re still crazy angry. Imagine their anger if their man gets forced out of office. Their savior, the man who (pretended to, and convinced them that he) really cared about them. The only man who could save the country, the only man who wasn’t beholden to “them” (the deep state, the liberal media, the rich, the donors, pick your lied-about-by-trump and sold-by-fox poison), the only man who kept them safe from terrorists and liberals and poindexters and college graduates and atheists and mainstream media.

If don does get impeached and removed, the rest of this scenario is inevitable. And then there will be blood. And that blood will be on the hands of the right-wing media.

[SK in CV]

If the timing is, as you suggest, I think it’s unlikely that it will only be Trump in trouble. Trump and Pence are gone, next in line is the new speaker of the house, which would be a democrat. Republicans know that’s no good. If there is any chance of an impeachment, it will be before the next congress takes office in early 2019 so they can salvage some power.

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[quote=SK in CV]If the timing is, as you suggest, I think it’s unlikely that it will only be Trump in trouble. Trump and Pence are gone, next in line is the new speaker of the house, which would be a democrat. Republicans know that’s no good. If there is any chance of an impeachment, it will be before the next congress takes office in early 2019 so they can salvage some power.[/quote]

Interesting thought.

I’m not sure if I laid out my timeline clearly. I was thinking Mueller wouldn’t come back with anything before the elections (nor before the next congress takes office).

What if Mueller hasn’t come back with anything yet by January ’19 (entirely possible)? You’re saying you think the republicans might just go ahead and try to get him removed before that, based on what they already have (which is plenty) even before Mueller comes back with anything (for the reason you stated)?

Republicans impeaching trump certainly would be less dangerous than democrats impeaching him, as far as trump’s base exploding. Although it would be interesting to see what fox – which seems to be more pro-trump than it is pro-republican anymore – would have to say about it.

[livinincali]

[quote=zk]Possible scenario:

Democrats win the house and senate in 2018.

Mueller comes back with damning enough information against trump that impeachment and removal from office are inevitable (now that the republicans, who wouldn’t impeach him if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, are out of power).
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If you believe that republicans will never vote to impeachment the president under any circumstances then he isn’t getting impeached. Impeachment requires a majority in the house to file the article of impeachment and then 2/3rds of the senate to find him guilty. So even if democrats win the house and the senate you probably need about 15 republican senators to go along with you. In addition with the way the republican states gerrymandered districts after the 2010 census it’s very unlikely that the democrats can win the house until after the 2020 census.

The only way you’re going to see an impeachment is if there’s something so damning that the republicans go ahead and start the process themselves. It wouldn’t surprise me that under some scenario they might. Trump isn’t going to win re=election at this point but Mike Pence could, or at a minimum has a better shot than Trump.

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[quote=livinincali]
If you believe that republicans will never vote to impeachment the president under any circumstances then he isn’t getting impeached. Impeachment requires a majority in the house to file the article of impeachment and then 2/3rds of the senate to find him guilty. [/quote]

That’s a good point. He could be impeached, but not removed, without 2/3 of the senate.

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Trump isn’t going to win re=election at this point but Mike Pence could, or at a minimum has a better shot than Trump.

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In my opinion, Pence doesn’t have a shot in hell. First, one of the main constituencies that would vote for him (old white people who consider themselves very christian) is mostly old and dying. Trump caught the very tail end of their power and won their vote and the votes of disaffected lower- and middle-class white people and also traditional republicans. Those disaffected lower-and middle-class white people don’t want a traditional republican like Pence. The evangelicals are losing power. The traditional republicans aren’t enough any more, in my opinion.

Maybe some of that is wishful thinking. I keep thinking the democrats are going to put up somebody with vision and charisma. Like Obama. But the best they can come up with is Hillary (who I think would’ve made a fantastic president, but wasn’t a good candidate) and Warren (who I also think would make a good president but I don’t think would be a very good candidate) and Franken (who would’ve been a great candidate and probably a good president, but who got run out of politics), and Kaine (who?) and etcetera. And without a half-decent democratic candidate, maybe you’re right. Maybe Pence does have a shot. But I think that if republicans put up somebody like Kasich and the democrats put up somebody like Warren or Kaine (and the democrats keep sucking at campaigning and at getting their message out), then the republican wins, even with the massive energy out there that hates trump and, by osmosis, many things republican.

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