Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[scaredyclassic]

no.

[FlyerInHi]

Were you groped by teachers or were they just acting seductive because you’re hot?

Did they offer you a quid pro quo?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Blogstar]You are a traitor to your own gender.[/quote]

I don’t owe anything to my gender.

[NotCranky]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Were you groped by teachers or were they just acting seductive because you’re hot?

Did they offer you a quid pro quo?[/quote]
I am not going to go into it here.

[NotCranky]

[quote=harvey][quote=Blogstar]You are a traitor to your own gender.[/quote]

I don’t owe anything to my gender.[/quote]
Have it your way.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=FlyerInHi]Were you groped by teachers or were they just acting seductive because you’re hot?

Did they offer you a quid pro quo?[/quote]
I am not going to go into it here.[/quote]

Very understandable.

But let’s not conflate all sexual behavior. We need to separate abuse from normal behavior. Unwanted intrusion upon the body is not ok.

Seduction is normal even with a quid pro quo. If the teacher offered to tutor your kid on her own time, or find an excellent tutor for him, that would be normal. But to offer to give your kid an A that was not deserved is not.

Having a consensual affair and refusing to acknowledge it is cowardly but perfectly normal. Jennifer flowers, Monica lewinski

The key is consent when the body is involved. And supervisors should not have sex with people they manage.

I’ve had people touch me (never my genitals) and compliment me. But I always felt flattered.

Women don’t feel that way. Millions of women have had men force themselves upon them like Trump did. They don’t want it. I can undestand they don’t want to be sex objects. Let them decide.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Blogstar]Well evidently it’s a required to be a dirty , nasty , manipulative person to make it to president. Probably should get over it, because that’s what we are going to get.[/quote]

How do you know Hillary is that way?

Just because Hillary didn’t create a bunch of drama and divorce her husband, people assume she’s power hungry. I personally think that the Clintons love one another and overcame the infidelities. That really is the most straight forward way of looking at their marriage. More couples should resolve their differences and stay together.

If you look at the history of marriage as an institution it’s not all about romantic love and sex. Love comes in many different forms.

[NotCranky]

Remember it’s not always deal offering or making , retaliation for rejecting overtures or offers has been what gets many managers in trouble. So as you say they should never try anything but to set the most high standard. They should understand this as a matter of decency but they were slow to change , so legal standards had to come about.

Also gender based denigration and discrimination are more common than overt sexual acts but still considered hostile enough for protection to be warranted. Most discrimination of women , at least in the industrial era , has been of this kind. Setting the standard at plying favors or groping is wrong .

[scaredyclassic]

the stomach touch didnt offend me physically. i just dont want any hint of any problem so it was disturbing only in a boundary cross type way. since the overarching goal is Zero Problems, its best to.ignore and avoid.

if i touched a woman on her stomach, that would likely be offensive physically.

[ucodegen]

[quote=bearishgurl]
Trump’s recent accusers (of him purportedly walking into a women’s locker room and “groping” his seat-mate on a plane) just came out of the blue after all these years. Where were these women when these incidences (presumably) took place? I’ve never heard of them and I have a l-o-o-ong memory.[/quote]

I am going to interject a bit of a comment here – probably a little late but important.

The ‘woman on the plane’ mentioned he was like an octopus and even raised the arm between seats to get a better grope.

Big Big problem. The only seats on a plane with the arm that raises like that is in coach. First class, Business first class does not (I’ve flown in both as well as private). When has Trump ever flown coach? When has Trump even ever flown First class or Business first class? He has his own friggin airplane, which happens to be a Boeing 757. Trump also has or has had his own Yacht. If he is paying to maintain a 757, he is NOT going to wait in line etc like the coach riders. At the minimum, if he did not have his own plane – he would contract with independent business flight services like Phoenix Air, Blue Star, JetSuite.. like he did when he flew into Mexico (because the Mex drug lords threatened to blow him out of the sky) https://twitter.com/davemorgannyc/status/771079410078261248/photo/1

Trump fly coach? Riiiiiggghhhtt.. and I’m the tooth fairy.

Here are articles about his plane: (bought 2011).
https://www.aviationcv.com/aviation-blog/2016/top-10-facts-about-donald-trumps-boeing

Trump also has a Cessna 750 Citation X (business class jet). The Cessna Citation X is a long range medium size jet with rather large engines. It looks like it is capable of handling short runways. He also has 3 Sikorski S-76B helicopters. Trump has also owned a Boeing 727 in the past. He sold the 727 which was 19yrs old at the time to buy the 757.

As for the claims from the other women, I don’t know… yet. But I know for sure that the airplane episode did not occur. I don’t know if she was coached or invented it herself, but a big mistake was made assuming that he flew like the rest of us. All of these women coming out of the woodwork is suspicious, particularly when the first one makes claims that are easy to check – if one pays attention.

NOTE: He is supposedly worth $11Bil, 10% return on that is $1Bil/year – or using working hours per year of 1980, comes to just over $500,000 per hour. 2 hours waiting in line for boarding would cost $1m of time.

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]Hillary was probably one of Bill’s first creep “victims” but she has done well with it. There is a truism that somebody shows all of who they are to their dating partners within 3 months. She knew but couldn’t pass up a good ride to power. She defended Bill against his accusers , did the stand by your man thing for power. And this is with her feminist Wellesly education, what a farce.It’s Machavellian what she does. I want a female president but not her, couldn’t we have Elizabeth Warren? Not saying she is perfect but geez.[/quote]

If Hillary is that machavelian then I do want her as president. Hillary the Great will definitely make America greatest on earth. We should crown her empress.
[/quote]
I would agree with you on wanting someone Machiavellian, however the problem with that personality is they want power only for themselves at any cost, and most of their energies are towards furthering their own power. It is very hard to align benefit to the person with benefit to the nation when it is a high office. There needs to be an outside force to align them, which does not exist at that level of gov.

[Anonymous]

[quote=ucodegen]Big Big problem. The only seats on a plane with the arm that raises like that is in coach. […][/quote]

The woman claimed it happened in 1979. I don’t know what your point is describing all the airplanes that he owned. But the “big problem” with your analysis is that it doesn’t contain any information relevant to 1979 and is mostly some sort of awestruck description of Trump’s lifestyle.

You know the details of every aircraft Trump could have been on on in 1979? Riiiiiggghhhtt.. and I’m the tooth fairy.

The facts about aircraft from that era:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/14/did-airliners-have-movable-arm-rests/

[ucodegen]

[quote=harvey][quote=ucodegen]Big Big problem. The only seats on a plane with the arm that raises like that is in coach. […][/quote]

The woman claimed it happened in 1979. I don’t know what your point is describing all the airplanes that he owned. But the “big problem” with your analysis is that it doesn’t contain any information relevant to 1979 and is mostly some sort of awestruck description of Trump’s lifestyle.

You know the details of every aircraft Trump could have been on on in 1979? Riiiiiggghhhtt.. and I’m the tooth fairy.

The facts about aircraft from that era:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/14/did-airliners-have-movable-arm-rests/
[/quote]
You missed the rest of the statements… just taking one quote out of context. You forgot not flying coach and preferring to fly alone. I checked, and the 1979 First class were swiveling and looked almost like a boardroom. Interesting thing about the picture you show, is how much smaller seats on airplanes have become.. and of course the ashtrays and no seatbelts. I don’t know where his pictures came from as well as the seat. This one is TWA, L1011 – early-mid 1970’s.

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As for describing airplanes he owned; it is simple. If you own a commercial sized jet for personal use, you don’t fly on the airlines. Its like owning a car but taking a Taxi for most places you go or on long trips. It doesn’t work. There is a large cost in just owning such an aircraft including depreciation costs. You either use it or sell it.

As for being awestruck, NOT. I do understand personalities, and their traits. Mister gilded will not ‘stoop’ to coach. The other thing to realize, is if you have been grossly groped, you tend to remember. Traumatic events tend to solidify memories. My first car accident (other one was being hit in the rear by an under aged DUI), I remember what I was doing before, after, vehicles involved, where, what I was thinking before, other cars.. etc. I will also remember being rear ended by the DUI for quite a while. His attorney was pulling delays, hoping I would forget things – didn’t work. Not remembering what airline under such traumatic events is a problem.

NOTE: 1979 would probably not be a MD-80 which was first introduced in late 1980. DC-8 was being phased out, DC-10 was competing with L-1011 – making it likely a DC-10 or L-1011. Found many first class layouts for that year, but not like the seat you showed.

Update: I did find that weird seat – it was 1973 DC-10. This was near the end of the period that they used these seats in what was called the ‘Lounge War’. The only version of these seats I could find were on National Airlines. Remember the oil crisis in 1975? These seats were not profitable, and were almost all removed by 1975.

NOTE: I look for seats installed in aircraft, not standing by themselves.

[FlyerInHi]

ucodegen, you’re wrong. Through his campaign, Trump admitted being on the plane seated next to the woman. So Trump lied about never meeting the women. He met at least 2.
The remaining question is whether he assaulted his fellow passenger.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/

And wow, your previous post was such kiss ass to money. You listed his assets as though they were relevant. It outdid BG’s claim that female county employees should give deference to an old slumlord by wearing clothing he would approve.

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi]ucodegen, you’re wrong. Through his campaign, Trump admitted being on the plane seated next to the woman. So Trump lied about never meeting the women. He met at least 2.
The remaining question is whether he assaulted his fellow passenger.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/

And wow, your previous post was such kiss ass to money. You listed his assets as though they were relevant. It outdid BG’s claim that female county employees should give deference to an old slumlord by wearing clothing he would approve.[/quote]
First argument was a decent structure, but the following ad-hominem attacks are childish and denigrates your first statement.

What you posted does NOT say that Trump claimed he was sitting next to the woman. It states that someone else said that he was on the flight and that she was ‘trying to make a move’ on him.

My opinion is that there are too many people trying to get their two minutes of fame in the whole situation.

Considering that Gilberthorpe (who made the claims that he witnessed the whole thing) also made claims that he procured boys for under-aged sex parties for high-ranking British politicians in 2014 – means that your source may be questionable, as well as his statement. I don’t think he could be used to show Trump was innocent by not committing sexual harassment nor that he was even on the plane.

A quoted statement from Trump would have supported your contention that he was on that plane much better than this questionable source.

There also seems to be a second issue. Jessica Leeds told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that it was a Braniff International Airways 707 Dallas to NYC 1979. Braniff didn’t have 707 flights on that route, only 727’s and they had the fixed center on first class.
according to: http://gotnews.com/breaking-nytimes-trump-accuser-jessicaleeds-confirmed-liar-cnn-airplane-details/

I still want to dig a bit more on the above article because I do have questions due to one of the statements.

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