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October 9, 2016 at 10:46 AM #801983October 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM #801984
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ParticipantBG, if you’re talking about the book “Crisis in Character”, you should check out what other Secret Service employees have to say about it. It’s garbage. The never had access to what he claims to have witnessed.
And you keep focusing on what he said about Nancy O’dell, which is NOT the part I originally quoted because, while it is disgusting, it wasn’t the worst part. The worst part is when he bragged about physically assaulting women. You have somehow excused that because someone not running for any office has accused of doing worse. It’s astounding. But it was astounding when you excused his racism.
October 9, 2016 at 10:50 AM #801980zk
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What’s more surprising it took for this view on women for people to be so shocked and disgusted about Trump. What about all the anti-latino, anti-muslim, anti-foreign rhetoric? [/quote]I totally agree with this. But the xenophobia you mention isn’t even the biggest reason for people to have been shocked and disgusted about trump long before his latest comments.
In addition to the xenophobia and the misogyny, there are all these shocking and disgusting things:
His wanting nuclear weapons to proliferate.
His insistence that the military will follow illegal orders if he gives them.
His threats not to honor our NATO obligations.
His profound ignorance of foreign affairs (“Putin won’t go into Ukraine,” didn’t know what the nuclear triad is).
His desire to commit war crimes (killing terrorists’ families).
His threats not to pay our debts in full.
His birtherism.
His encouragement of Russian hacking.
His encouragement of violence against protesters and against Clinton.
His constant lying of a type and on a scale not seen in any previous presidential candidate (nor in most humans).
Each of these should cause shock and disgust. Put together, they’re so horrific that to not be shocked and disgusted by them indicates to me willful ignorance (or, more likely, a charade, as I explain in the last paragraph). And they don’t even include smaller reasons, many of them quite large, such as his completely unrealistic deportation force/wall ideas, his fascist tendencies, his claim that America is in a death spiral, his climate change denial, his refusal to release his tax returns, his business failures and his stiffing of thousands of workers, his lack of detailed policies, his draft dodging, his scam “university,” his abuse of his foundation, his desire to police speech, his claim that Obama founded ISIS, his frequently incoherent speech and general lack of intellect and knowledge, his refusal to admit/learn from/apologize for his mistakes, his demagoguery, his desire to abolish the Geneva Convention, and his bullying temperament.
And none of that even includes what is, in my opinion, his biggest, most dangerous flaw:
He can’t take an insult. He attacks anyone who says anything marginally negative about him. How is that going to work? The American president (every American president) is constantly being told his ideas and actions are bad ideas and actions. By citizens, by the news media, by foreign leaders, by other political parties, by people in his own party. By senators, congressmen, governors. Basically by everybody. Donald Trump, if elected president, will have to (because that’s who he is) attack all the people who say bad things about him. How is that going to work? A foreign leader says something negative about a Trump proposal or action. Trump attacks that leader. That leader condemns Trump’s attack. Trump gets angry about that and attacks again. Etc. How is that going to work? How is it going to work to give the nuclear codes to a thin-skinned, ill-tempered, petulant, foolish, ignorant, vindictive, disturbed child?
To be more disturbed by his “grab ‘em by the pussy” comment, vile as it is, than by pretty much everything else about trump, is ridiculous.
But, in a way, it makes sense. Because, in truth, the people who are currently and suddenly expressing shock and disgust aren’t actually suddenly shocked and disgusted. They’ve been shocked and disgusted all along. But, as usual, their concern hasn’t been the governing of this country. It’s been their desire to stay in power. And, before, they thought that Trump could win, so they pretended not to be shocked and disgusted, and they supported him. Now that it looks like he can’t win, they’re suddenly shocked and disgusted. And they claim that their shock and disgust is not about the fact that a Trump presidency would be (to paraphrase his “Art of the Deal” ghostwriter) a mortal danger to humanity . But about the “grab ‘em by the pussy” comment.
Are you fucking kidding me?
October 9, 2016 at 11:00 AM #801986scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=ltsdd]Trump probably has never felt this much pressure in his life and probably feels like an an animal backed into a corner. My prediction is he’s going to explode on national TV tonight.[/quote]
maybe the whole election is a giant ratings game exercise.
i wasnt going to watch tonite butnow ferl compelled to
October 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM #801985Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]
am i offended by lbj whipping out his cock? no. not really.
its just the same old story. powerful men exercising power.hillary 2016!!![/quote]
Just for the record – being a flasher/ public indecency is not an exercise of power. It is a psychiatric problem and/or a crime. The fact that he wasn’t arrested may have been a result of his power – but not the act.
I do agree with you that anyone who would want to be President, with all it entails, is crazy.[/quote]
whipping it out is normal in some fratlike contexts. not a psych problem necessarily. lbj was not nuts because he pointed “jumbo” at a,reporter as an answer to the question, “why are we in vietnam”.
he was making a point. seems kind of wacky, but powerful men do crazy shit to assert dominance over others.
killing the questioner in an earlier time mightve bern a normal response as well.
what seems crazy shifts over time.
we need younger candidates
October 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM #801988enron_by_the_sea
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
maybe the whole election is a giant ratings game exercise.
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The real plan B has always been to launch Trump News after November to compete with Fox News.
October 9, 2016 at 11:25 AM #801987flu
ParticipantI don’t know. But I have a feeling that it really doesn’t matter. Trump might still win.
I mean it seems like there is no length as to what Trump does that some supporters will ever give up on voting for him. If Trump really murdered someone in cold blood, and used the N word while doing it, I’d say that there would still be 40-42% of the American population that would vote for him. His strongest supporters are beyond any rational thought proccess and beyond thinking as a rational humans. Its all driven by emotion, anger, hate, frustration, and anything that is anti establishment no matter how crude, how vulgar, how reprehensible is what is turning out to be. Its not just the u.s., its Russia, UK, Philippines, and evrn informant where Merkel is losing popularity.
You cannot explain, rationalize, or persuade these folks even if Trump was Satan himself. It’s sad actually.
We are approaching very dark times I am afraid.
October 9, 2016 at 11:26 AM #801989Participant[quote=flu-redux]
His strongest supporters are beyond any rational thought proccess and beyond thinking as a rational human. Its all driven by emotion, anger, hate, frustration.You cannot explain, rationalize, or persuade these folks …
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You’re right, flu. Never mind my question, bg.
October 9, 2016 at 11:32 AM #801990FlyerInHi
GuestSome sociology is enabling Trump.
Who did the enabling and what do we do with the ideology and the people?
Don’t we all have the responsibility to destroy such thinking?October 9, 2016 at 12:19 PM #801992Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Some sociology is enabling Trump.
Who did the enabling and what do we do with the ideology and the people?
Don’t we all have the responsibility to destroy such thinking?[/quote]Destroy such thinking? No such thing as destroying a type of thinking.
October 9, 2016 at 12:24 PM #801993Participant[quote=zk][quote=FlyerInHi]Some sociology is enabling Trump.
Who did the enabling and what do we do with the ideology and the people?
Don’t we all have the responsibility to destroy such thinking?[/quote]Destroy such thinking? No such thing as destroying a type of thinking.[/quote]
Hence the absurdity of claiming a plan to destroy radical Islam or terrorism.
October 9, 2016 at 12:29 PM #801994ltsddd
ParticipantI wonder if this fvckup (being the GOP nominee) is something that trump didn’t plan for and regretting it every day. Seriously, all this stuff can’t be good for the trump brand. The folks that are supporting him aren’t exactly the kind of clienteles his trump brand targeted…..sounds like another bankruptcy is coming soon.
October 9, 2016 at 3:24 PM #801997GuestA CNN anchor has been telling the story of her friend who says Trump harassed her.
I have the feeling more women will come forward.
October 9, 2016 at 4:08 PM #801999
svelteParticipant[quote=flu-redux] His strongest supporters are beyond any rational thought proccess and beyond thinking as a rational humans. Its all driven by emotion, anger, hate, frustration, and anything that is anti establishment no matter how crude, how vulgar, how reprehensible is what is turning out to be. Its not just the u.s., its Russia, UK, Philippines, and evrn informant where Merkel is losing popularity.
You cannot explain, rationalize, or persuade these folks even if Trump was Satan himself. It’s sad actually.
We are approaching very dark times I am afraid.[/quote]
Watching this election cycle has convinced me that there is a sizeable part of the population who will vote Rep no matter what, and a certain sizeable part of the population who will vote Dem no matter what. That is their brand and they will be loyal to it…no matter what.
What many elections come down to, especially this one, is to get as many of the fence sitters and independents as possible. The side most successful at doing that wins.
With the events of the last week, I’m not sure I see a path forward for the Trump. He’s virtually locked out most of the women that are fence sitters or independents, having already done that with Hispanics, Muslims, and a host of other segments of the population.
I think this debate is his last chance. If he doesn’t do something spectacular (and I really can’t imagine what that would be), the race is over. If I were Hillary and Trumps polling numbers continue downward after tonight, I would probably cancel the third debate. There would be no reason to hold it.
October 9, 2016 at 5:12 PM #802001svelteParticipantWooo! Trump just had a press conference with a panel of Bill accusers!
Looks to me like he has went all in! This should be a very interesting evening, that’s for sure.
The big question is: will this hurt him further or neutralize the swirl around his own behavior!
Seems to me like “your husband did it too” is very elementary school and not likely to go over well, but we shall see…
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