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August 7, 2016 at 11:33 PM #800370August 7, 2016 at 11:36 PM #800371
CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=Myriad]I don’t think this something either party necessarily could solve. With the end of the Cold War and opening of China, the world had to absorb 500M+ new workers into the global system. That created a gap in the high-wage countries where middle tier and low tier skilled work shifted to those countries.
Now that workforce has more or less been absorbed and the workforce has aged considerably. For example production in China is almost as expensive as the US now, accounting for shipping, energy, insurance, etc. Now with new technology and shift in consumer demand to more immediate needs, I think we’ll see a shift in middle tier skilled labor back to developed economies.[/quote]There you go again, Myriad. The “world” didn’t “have” to “absorb” 500M (Chinese) workers. The “world” doesn’t owe these workers a damn thing! In the case of the US, what actually happened was that our leaders actually gave away our jobs to the Chinese at our expense! Even the “high tier” executive and white-collar professional jobs disappeared along with the US manufacturer-employers who closed up shop in the US and moved to MX or overseas to take advantage of slave labor. It was our OWN esteemed leaders who sold American workers down the river by creating NAFTA and other trade agreements making it possible for our OWN manufacturers to get their goods made for pennies on the dollar in another country! US citizens didn’t really need all this cheap Chinese junk back then and we don’t need it now. America’s millions of displaced workers would rather have a selection of JOBS to choose from in their respective locales rather than regular freight trains loaded with double-stacked Chinese crates barreling through their towns at all hours of the day and night to unload at big box stores coast to coast. One used to be able to leave a job easily and have another one waiting to start in the same locale but this is now near impossible to do in most cities and towns.Since you couched what happened to millions of American jobs in language which appears to be making excuses here, I don’t mind discussing what really happened. Regardless if a so-called “global `system'” actually exists … or not, we Americans aren’t responsible for China’s population explosion OR their unemployment level.[/quote]
And before you change what your wrote.
August 7, 2016 at 11:41 PM #800372bearishgurl
Participant[quote=flu]You know what I’m thankful for? I am thankful that in America there are still lots of people who are white, who are not like BG.
For all of you piggs that are “white” who don’t stoop so low to blame someone that isn’t white on all of your financial problems and career limitations because you chose not to go to college and chose never to go back, I thank you for being the shred of decency left in this country.
I don’t know how what your financial situation is BG. But you certainly have no class. No amount of money can fix that.[/quote]This time I’m going to quote you, so you can’t have second thoughts and delete it. What makes you think I’m “white” or identify with “white?” Where the h@ll do you get the BS you post here? Why would you post that I blame “non-whites” for anything?
wtf does this post have to do with this thread? People just need to see with their own eyes the personal attacks you post here. It’s gotten ridiculous. You sound like you have some kind of chip on your shoulder.
August 7, 2016 at 11:41 PM #800373CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=flu]… yet another (deleted) personal attack on BG[/quote]As usual, flu, you can’t stay on topic and choose to attack me personally, instead. This thread isn’t about me. It’s about the MILLIONS of manufacturing (and even call-center, customer service and help desk jobs) lost in the US over the past 20 years, beginning with Bill Clinton’s passage of NAFTA into law.
Oh, and btw, I’m just fine with 2 pensions plus my income from my work (sorry if you haven’t been able to earn a pension). As a matter of fact, I’ll be fine for the rest of my life. And for the record, I have 2 years of college (actually about 80 semester units). On top of that, I have a 500 level (Master’s level) one-year occupational certificate and 2 state licenses so you don’t have to worry about me.
Why don’t you endeavor to focus on your own issues as it relates to your participation in this forum (and they are many). And while you’re at it, why don’t you start polling other Piggs at random on their “educational attainment” and see how well that “experiment” goes over.[/quote]
No BG. You see, your problem is that you think Chinese people stole your job and your career prospects.
That is a lie. The reason why your career is limited has nothing to do with the Chinese. It has everything to do with the FACT that you didn’t go to college AND you didn’t go back to college, despite remaining in the legal profession ,which in the 21st century is a requirement for you to be successful in your profession.
As us republicans would say.
Personal responsibility…Get some.August 7, 2016 at 11:44 PM #800374Participant[quote=flu]And before you change what your wrote.[/quote]Please … waste all the bandwidth you want. That’s your MO.
Unlike you (who deletes their post often after posting it) in a knee-jerk reaction, I don’t delete my posts.
August 7, 2016 at 11:51 PM #800375Participant[quote=flu]No BG. You see, your problem is that you think Chinese people stole your job and your career prospects.
That is a lie. The reason why your career is limited has nothing to do with the Chinese. It has everything to do with the FACT that you didn’t go to college AND you didn’t go back to college, despite remaining in the legal profession ,which in the 21st century is a requirement for you to be successful in your profession.
As us republicans would say.
Personal responsibility…Get some.[/quote]Um, flu, I don’t know what you’ve been smoking but “Chinese people” don’t do my job. I’m sure they exist … somewhere, but I’ve never met a Chinese person who is in my occupation. At least not in San Diego, where I work. A lot of stuff I do requires very strong English dictation, reading, writing and composition skills on frequently difficult material which has to be in a special format. Sorry to burst your bubble but people who immigrated here from China could not do it.August 7, 2016 at 11:55 PM #800368flyer
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flyer]Good points, and I realize there are many reasons for the problem, but, my point is that, masses of desperate voters actually believe politicians can change their lives, and yet, these numbers tell a different story, so, from that perspective, I still think it will be interesting to see whether or not these numbers (and, consequently, voters lives) actually improve going forward or not. My guess would be not.[/quote]
Here’s an interesting article about slow growth.
Actually politicians can adopt more growth friendly policies. We, in USA, are doing better the rest of the world. But there were missed opportunity in infrastructure. It’s been 8 years since the recession and many workers’ skills have atrophied.
Basically, Trump supporters, low-education Whites in non-gateway cities are stagnating and they are looking for blame.[/quote]
“Less than 20 percent of American households even break the six-figure mark, according to Census Bureau data. But while many Americans still see that number as a prized income, it doesn’t necessarily roll out the red carpet anymore.”
Interesting and shocking (per above) that less than 20% of US households break the six-figure mark. With around 135 million households (2014) hopefully, among the 80% of the population left, more than just Trump supporters are questioning why they are in that financial position.
Candidates can talk about change all they want, but the numbers over the next four years will tell us everything we need to know. Sadly, the losers will be those who believed them.
August 8, 2016 at 12:13 AM #800377FlyerInHi
GuestBG, you’re so wrong. We are richer because of China. China helped us grow; the world economy growing is good for everyone. Just ask any economist.
As far as English, I have a Chinese friend from Beijing in early 40s. She read all the Europeam and American classics beginning when she was a teenager in China. She came to a top US school for graduate studies and speaks perfect English. She does not have an American accent, but we don’t own the language.
A lot of Indians and Pakistanis speaks perfect English also.
I read this article about Khirz khan and I felt small. He and his family have achieved so much. We are lucky to have people like them here. Only in America.
August 8, 2016 at 12:23 AM #800379CoronitaParticipantAnd for the record….If there’s any other piggs that didn’t go to college, I don’t care if you did or you didn’t. I’m sure you can be just as successful if you did your didn’t.
And there’s plenty of well paid vocational career paths that frankly does very well in this country that I have the utmost respect for.It’s just all the lazy hypocrites that didn’t do something, and then think others that took the time to do it… “stole” their opportunity….
August 8, 2016 at 12:35 AM #800380CoronitaParticipantAnd here’s a nice article about robotics “stealing” your manufacturing jobs. And plenty of others that all say the same thing….
August 8, 2016 at 12:51 AM #800376CoronitaParticipantBG, if it makes you feel better, you are exactly like your hero Trump.
You come out with a bigotted/racist statement (about how chinese are stealing YOUR jobs)….And then obviously, when someone calls your out for being an idiot, a bigot, you get all butt hurt and pretend to be a victim.
Well shit BG, maybe people wouldn’t be trying to slam you for your stupidity if you didn’t open your fat mouth full of bigoted shit.
Here’s a FACT idiot. It’s the 21st century. The economy has changed. Computers/software/tech… That’s where middle class america is. Most of you whiners CHOSE not do this profession. Your KIDS CHOSE NOT TO DO THIS PROFESSION TOO… Of course the Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Eastern Europeans, Russians, are going to do these jobs because they CHOSE TO.
Life is about choices. You made yours by deciding to not go to college. Your kids made them by deciding to not do anything science related. No one is going to hire you and your kids to do science related/engineering related jobs because simply put you aren’t qualified, neither are your kids. Because you CHOSE not to do that. In as much as I’m not qualified to be a doctor. No one stole anything from you nor your kids. You aren’t qualified to be a lawyer because again, you chose not to pursue that too. No one held a gun to your head and told you couldn’t do any of the jobs foreigners or foreign countries did. It was your choice.
Everything about you as about how unfair things are. How expensive things are, how more people are moving into San Diego, driving up home prices, making it more congested, etc,etc. Move out, move somewhere else. It doesn’t sound like california really is for you. There are 49 other states to live in if you are so unhappy with the demographics of homeowners, demographics of kids going to UC schools, demographics of your neighbors. Just go. You should be much happier. The world isn’t going to change for you. And you certainly dont seem to be adapting well to it. And yet, you stay, and apparently are so unhappy with it. Again, your choice.
August 8, 2016 at 1:06 AM #800381Myriad
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Um, flu, I don’t know what you’ve been smoking but “Chinese people” don’t do my job. I’m sure they exist … somewhere, but I’ve never met a Chinese person who is in my occupation. At least not in San Diego, where I work. A lot of stuff I do requires very strong English dictation, reading, writing and composition skills on frequently difficult material which has to be in a special format. Sorry to burst your bubble but people who immigrated here from China could not do it.[/quote]
That’s borderline racist. Just because you haven’t met any does not mean someone from China doesn’t have the language skills to do a similar job.
August 8, 2016 at 1:12 AM #800382Participant[quote=bearishgurl]There you go again, Myriad. The “world” didn’t “have” to “absorb” 500M (Chinese) workers. The “world” doesn’t owe these workers a damn thing! In the case of the US, what actually happened was that our leaders actually gave away our jobs to the Chinese at our expense! Even the “high tier” executive and white-collar professional jobs disappeared along with the US manufacturer-employers who closed up shop in the US and moved to MX or overseas to take advantage of slave labor. It was our OWN esteemed leaders who sold American workers down the river by creating NAFTA and other trade agreements making it possible for our OWN manufacturers to get their goods made for pennies on the dollar in another country! US citizens didn’t really need all this cheap Chinese junk back then and we don’t need it now. America’s millions of displaced workers would rather have a selection of JOBS to choose from in their respective locales rather than regular freight trains loaded with double-stacked Chinese crates barreling through their towns at all hours of the day and night to unload at big box stores coast to coast. One used to be able to leave a job easily and have another one waiting to start in the same locale but this is now near impossible to do in most cities and towns.
Since you couched what happened to millions of American jobs in language which appears to be making excuses here, I don’t mind discussing what really happened. Regardless if a so-called “global `system'” actually exists … or not, we Americans aren’t responsible for China’s population explosion OR their unemployment level.[/quote]
I’m talking history and you’re talking about what you thought the world should look like according to you.
This is also incoherent. First you blame China and ignore Eastern Europe. Then you talk about Mexico and NAFTA, which has nothing to do with China. The rest of your response is just random words complaining that life isn’t the same as the 1990s.August 8, 2016 at 1:36 AM #800383ParticipantAlthough I understand other people’s concerns about how globalization has changed the dynamics of jobs, housing, etc. in places like San Diego, it really hasn’t affected anyone in my family or anyone I know, so it’s a nonissue for us and most people we know.
We do see a lot of bitter people who came to the CA real estate investment party late, but that’s another story, so, for the most part, we just look at it as an opportunity for more people to rent or buy real estate from us, because they all need a place to live, at least for as long as their jobs last.
Just one Piggs POV.August 8, 2016 at 2:01 AM #800385CoronitaParticipant[quote=Myriad][quote=bearishgurl]Um, flu, I don’t know what you’ve been smoking but “Chinese people” don’t do my job. I’m sure they exist … somewhere, but I’ve never met a Chinese person who is in my occupation. At least not in San Diego, where I work. A lot of stuff I do requires very strong English dictation, reading, writing and composition skills on frequently difficult material which has to be in a special format. Sorry to burst your bubble but people who immigrated here from China could not do it.[/quote]
That’s borderline racist. Just because you haven’t met any does not mean someone from China doesn’t have the language skills to do a similar job.[/quote]
Actually, BG is right. Most Chinese people don’t do her job. Because most chinese american parents tell their kids if they want to pursue the legal profession, go to law school and finish and be a real lawyer.
Two of my best friends both were born in mainland china and only came to the US for about 6 years, before they wanted to something else. Both had PHD’s in bioengineering. Both ended up decided they wanted to be patent attorneys when they were in their late 30ies. Both took about 3 years to finish law school part time while working (both put in a lot of time an effort)..Both work in DC now as real attorneys..
Funny how that works out BG. People who’s English isn’t the first language ended up becoming real lawyers, who are a lot younger, who immigrated here, who’s English you think is worse than yours..Folks that had a much later start than you did….And yet, they are real lawyers…Why? Again, very simple. They wanted to pursue a law degree, they wanted to pass Bar, they wanted to become real practicing attorneys. You didn’t. They put in the time and effort, you chose not to. So their job, they didn’t “steal from you”. You didn’t put the time and effort to try to obtain it. And they certainly aren’t trying to “steal” your job right now either.
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