- This topic has 1,297 replies, 43 voices, and was last updated 7 years, 3 months ago by
Balboa.
-
AuthorPosts
-
June 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM #798880June 20, 2016 at 1:37 PM #798881
PCinSD
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
Not mad. Sad that stupidity doesn’t hurt more. I don’t have a bff here. Trump’s your guy. Check the mirror before you call people racist.[/quote]Show me a single post of mine where I’ve endorsed or approved of any politician. Ever. I’ll wait, dumbass.
[quote=SK in CV]The last one is racist by itself. I can’t imagine any context that would help.[/quote]
[quote=SK in CV]
Stop already. You’ve proved you’re racist.[/quote]derp
June 20, 2016 at 1:40 PM #798882SK in CV
Participant[quote=livinincali]
How are you going to say it’s not about his religion in one paragraph and then immediately blame the teachings of his religion for the hate that consumed him in the next. Many religions teach their followers that being a homosexual is a sin. Muslim’s preachers and followers seem to be particularly bad in this regard as evidenced by the laws in countries that are heavily secular Muslim. The shooter attended prayer sessions by an Iman that preached this hate here in this country. Shall we ban the first amendment. Should we ban religions that teach hate towards gays and women. Why should we allow people in this country that have likely been taught this hate towards gays or taught women should be treated as property. Are we naive enough to think we can change these people’s views on gays and women after decades of being taught something else.
[/quote]
I don’t have a problem with the 1st Amendment. Muslims may be particularly bad when it comes to tolerance towards gays (and women). But they’re hardly alone. There were dozens of Christian preachers in this country that essentially applauded what happened. A county in Alabama refused to lower their flag because the victims were gay. That town is responsible for their hate.
But religion isn’t responsible for hate. Sure there’s influence. But unless you’re 12 years old or younger, you’re responsible for what you think. An adult who hates gays is responsible for hating gays. Not his religion. Not what his parents taught him. Not what some schmuck on TV says. Not what some political party tells him. There are dozens of religious organizations and thousands of clergy who are responsible for spreading hate. There is an entire political party that has spent decades spreading hate. If you want to stop hate, you have to stop supporting people who hate. Everyone who says “i’m socially liberal, but a fiscal conservative” and continues to support the republican party, they’re supporting hate. They’re voting for hate. It isn’t that complicated.
June 20, 2016 at 1:41 PM #798883
CoronitaParticipantFunny. One of my kids nicest friend in school is Latino. Her parents are one of the nicest parents and always at school volunteering. She’s one of the brightest kids in class. And of her oldest cousins serves at Camp Pendleton. Imagine that. Some brown people that actually live in Carmel V.
June 20, 2016 at 1:46 PM #798884Guest[quote=SK in CV]
Quote his racist words. Your shit really doesn’t make any sense at all.[/quote][quote=SK in CV]You could fix this by quoting him. You haven’t done it since I asked you to.
[/quote][quote=PCinSD]
LOL. I just provided everything you asked for. Now crickets. That’s what I thought.[/quote][quote=SK in CV]No, you didn’t. You provided quotes. I have no idea who said some of them, or when, or in response to what. I’m sure it made perfect sense to you. I can’t follow it. Nor do I have any interest in doing so.[/quote]
derp
June 20, 2016 at 1:52 PM #798885Guest[quote=SK in CV][quote=livinincali]
How are you going to say it’s not about his religion in one paragraph and then immediately blame the teachings of his religion for the hate that consumed him in the next. Many religions teach their followers that being a homosexual is a sin. Muslim’s preachers and followers seem to be particularly bad in this regard as evidenced by the laws in countries that are heavily secular Muslim. The shooter attended prayer sessions by an Iman that preached this hate here in this country. Shall we ban the first amendment. Should we ban religions that teach hate towards gays and women. Why should we allow people in this country that have likely been taught this hate towards gays or taught women should be treated as property. Are we naive enough to think we can change these people’s views on gays and women after decades of being taught something else.
[/quote]
I don’t have a problem with the 1st Amendment. Muslims may be particularly bad when it comes to tolerance towards gays (and women). But they’re hardly alone. There were dozens of Christian preachers in this country that essentially applauded what happened. A county in Alabama refused to lower their flag because the victims were gay. That town is responsible for their hate.
But religion isn’t responsible for hate. Sure there’s influence. But unless you’re 12 years old or younger, you’re responsible for what you think. An adult who hates gays is responsible for hating gays. Not his religion. Not what his parents taught him. Not what some schmuck on TV says. Not what some political party tells him. There are dozens of religious organizations and thousands of clergy who are responsible for spreading hate. There is an entire political party that has spent decades spreading hate. If you want to stop hate, you have to stop supporting people who hate. Everyone who says “i’m socially liberal, but a fiscal conservative” and continues to support the republican party, they’re supporting hate. They’re voting for hate. It isn’t that complicated.[/quote]
He repeatedly pledged his support for ISIS. ISIS gets a kick out of chucking gay men off of buildings and stoning them to death. I guess that’s what you mean by being “particularly bad?”
June 20, 2016 at 1:53 PM #798886bearishgurl
Participant[quote=flu]Funny. One of my kids nicest friend in school is Latino. Her parents are one of the nicest parents and always at school volunteering. She’s one of the brightest kids in class. And of her oldest cousins serves at Camp Pendleton. Imagine that. Some brown people that actually live in Carmel V.[/quote]I take it your kid’s “nicest friend” lives in CV (Carmel Valley)? She’s not being driven up there from MX every day??
Once again, you’re off-topic, flu. I was discussing public school RESIDENCY and open borders and you’ve decided to play the race card again (your usual MO) and turn the discussion into accusing people of being “racist,” and “hateful.”
Glad you hear your kids’ school has a “token `brown person.'”
June 20, 2016 at 2:04 PM #798887carli
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
Oh, and carli? I’m not “afraid” of anyone. There are many Muslim young people (both male and female) occupying retail and restaurant positions around me and I have had nothing but good experiences with them. [/quote]
Interesting, now you say outright that you were referring to Muslims in your earlier statement when you wrote you were against those who “want to emigrate to the US solely to spread their (incompatible, non-western) religious beliefs and customs to Americans and also onto their own offspring, later born in the US”.
Do you realize what you’re saying? You’re specifying Islam as an “incompatible, non-western” religion. Incompatible with what? By non-western I don’t think you mean eastern, I think you must mean non-U.S. But in the U.S., one of our basic rights is freedom of religion, remember?
This country was built on the premise that there is NO SUCH THING as an “incompatible” religion. The concept of a certain religion being “incompatible” is completely un-American. In the U.S., religions don’t need to be compatible with anything. That’s why it’s called freedom.
If Islam is an “incompatible” religion here in the U.S., please tell us what are the “compatible” religions? Is it just Christianity or are there others? And who decides? Would that be Trump, by chance?
And you say you like the Muslims you come across in stores and restaurants. Okay so you want to give a pass to the ones you meet, who come across as pleasant to you, but those nameless, faceless other immigrants who are trying to enter our country, somehow they should all be banned so they can’t, as you say, “spread their (incompatible, non-western) religious beliefs and customs to Americans and also onto their own offspring, later born in the US”
Do you realize what you are saying? Is this a slip or do you realize how blatantly un-American your statements are?
June 20, 2016 at 2:25 PM #798888CoronitaParticipantTrump seems to have radicalized more americans into racists bent on terrorizing brown people than isis has radicalized Americans into terrorists.
June 20, 2016 at 2:30 PM #798889Guest[quote=flu]Trump seems to have radicalized more americans into racists bent on terrorizing brown people than isis has radicalized Americans into terrorists.[/quote]
Got a link for that?
June 20, 2016 at 2:50 PM #798890Participant[quote=PCinSD][quote=SK in CV]
Not mad. Sad that stupidity doesn’t hurt more. I don’t have a bff here. Trump’s your guy. Check the mirror before you call people racist.[/quote]Show me a single post of mine where I’ve endorsed or approved of any politician. Ever. I’ll wait, dumbass.
[quote=SK in CV]The last one is racist by itself. I can’t imagine any context that would help.[/quote]
[quote=SK in CV]
Stop already. You’ve proved you’re racist.[/quote]derp[/quote]
Asshole. It’s over and you do it again. You quote words and I have no idea what the context is. I’m not denying saying it. I’m not changing my mind. I know you know what you’re talking about. I have no desire to know what you’re talking about. You’ve proved yourself. Just drop it.
June 20, 2016 at 2:57 PM #798891Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV] . . . The US does not have an open border. The US has never had an open border. I can’t think of a single elected official, or any significant candidate who has proposed an open border. And the net undocumented population has remained pretty constant over the last 7 years. It’s the same size now as it was in 2008. If there was an open border, there would be more.[/quote]It’s “open enough” to allow Mexicans and Americans alike to cross back and forth daily (to drive their kids to school in the US or drive to school in the US (for a teenaged driver).
SK, did your kids attend public school in the “other CV?” That is …. in Carmel Valley (SD)? You know … the CV which is ~30 miles from the border? And if so, did THEIR SCHOOLS have dozens or even hundreds of Mexican-citizen students who crossed the border every morning to attend it?
How far away do you currently reside from an AZ/MX int’l border crossing gate? 150-200 miles, perhaps?
What you know and can tell us about the habits of daily (northbound in the morning) “border crossers” would likely fit neatly into a thimble.[/quote]
My kids attended public school. Some of the other students weren’t US citizens. Some were undocumented. I don’t know the actual number, and I’m pretty sure any of the numbers from you are a huge exaggeration. Because that’s what you do.
I don’t know what any of the other questions have to do with the discussion. You don’t like Mexicans coming across the border, legally or otherwise. I get that. You don’t have to. You can move.
It wasn’t significantly different when I was in elementary school. The kids in SY and IB schools mostly spoke Spanish.
I spent a lot of weekends down there. My sister’s former in-laws grew up there, though only 1 of 6 kids was born in the US. The others would be dreamers today. 4 of the 6 have degrees. One of them an assistant US attorney, now retired. One a retired college professor. Of the 6, I’m pretty sure only my brother in law was ever in jail (for selling dope, 6 months, around 1970). He’s retired now. Built about 2,000 homes in so cal over the last 40 years. One delivers mail in Coronado., she’s retiring next year. The youngest, the only US born child, has been running an after-school program for ESL kids in IB for 25 years. Their father, Miguel, died right about the same time my father died, around 1990. His car still had Baja plates on it, because it was registered in Mexico. He lived in IB, but worked as a cook in a restaurant in Tijuana, drove back and forth every work day from when he moved his family to IB in 1955 after his 5th child was born, until he died 35 years later. And that kid that was born in 1955? I don’t see him much anymore. He’s works 9 months a year with doctors without borders, since he retired after 30 as a officer with the USN after they put him through medical school. He was born a few months before me in 1955. In Tijuana. He was technically and illegal alien until a month before he earned his MD in the early 80’s. It was a Reagan thing. Now he’s a US citizen.
So all those kids that you hate, that were in your kids, and continue in classrooms today? I know some of those kids. I wish my kids had more like them in their classrooms.[/quote]I know lots of boomers (full, 1/2, 1/4 Mexican … who cares?) just as you’re describing here, SK. Perhaps themselves or some or all of their siblings were born in the US (their MX parent(s) usually weren’t). The vast majority of them have retired from successful careers and are now collecting DB pensions. I’ve lived in this county for close to 40 years and have seen all that you’ve seen. But now that South County has literally doubled the elementary schools it used to have and has several more middle/high schools than it used to have (all built with MR bonds), there are far, far more daily “border-crossing students” taking up our public classroom seats.
The dirty little secret is that South County really didn’t need all those new schools but the new homeowners paying humongous MR demanded them, especially those in the later phases of Otay Ranch, who are paying property tax + MR equivalent to 2.77% of their assessed value! They didn’t want to send their kids to older “west-side” schools and schools in the earlier (mainly Eastlake) tracts, which also had (lesser) MR, were overcrowded with students from the communities they were built to serve.
A few years back, a group of Otay Ranch parents went ballistic at CVESD and SUHSD over border-crossing students (Mexican Nationals) taking up slots in the classrooms of their “assigned” new schools while their own kids were turned away and reassigned to a school further away due to lack of room. They had a big blowout parent meeting with the PTB over residency verification issues and the District managed to find a few slots in their assigned schools for more RESIDENT students (to placate some of the parents of whom were paying thru the nose in MR). As well they should have. That exercise got rid of some of the problem of border-crossing students in certain schools. However, the older schools in non-MR areas still have very large portions of their student bodies (15% on up to 45%) whose parents have managed to “game” the residency verification by using fake “guardianship affidavits” and having their names added to or replaced on 1-2 of a RESIDENT friend’s or relative’s utility bills and using addresses of boarded up homes or otherwise unoccupied homes for “residency purposes.”
The reality is that only about 5% of homes in many south county westside (west of the 805) blocks (primarily in NC and CV) have school-aged children. Of course, many school aged kids are using their grandparents address to attend school because the parents live in an area of SD with very low-rated schools. And another 5% or so of parents with school-aged children in the area are homeschooling. However, all the public schools are still open in the older areas of the westside. If the district wasn’t able to fill them with a never ending sieve of students from “down south” every day, they would undoubtedly have to close some or even most of them (which isn’t a bad thing … they could save the cost of the utilities to run them). The reality is that the teacher’s unions don’t want the loss of “teaching billets” in the district (even though a very high percentage of south county teachers already have 30 years of service in and can retire today on essentially a pension equal to their full highest pay for life). Another large chunk of them are nearing the 30 year service mark. I know because I work out with many of them.
I don’t “hate” the Mexican-citizen students or their parents for taking advantage of a “system” which allows them to. I blame the superintendents and school administrations for overtly condoning the practice of accepting students right and left from out of the country and looking the other way and claiming their “hands are tied” on residency matters. It is a corrupt system that places dozens of “non resident, out of country” ESL students at every grade level in every school and and affects the quality of education received by the English-speaking American RESIDENT students at that same school and grade level. When given proof that certain students are actually living in MX while using local address XYZ of a long boarded-up home, the administration doesn’t care and doesn’t want to know. So there you have it. We’re paying to operate at least 25% more public schools than we need to in South County and paying the (unnecessary) salaries of 25% more teachers and administrators so we can spread all the non-resident students around and provide an (expensive) K-12 education to students actually living in another country! This practice has the effect of completely filling up all these schools in older areas which would otherwise be closed due to lack of a sufficient student body actually residing within their attendance boundaries.
June 20, 2016 at 2:58 PM #798892Participant[quote=PCinSD]
He repeatedly pledged his support for ISIS. ISIS gets a kick out of chucking gay men off of buildings and stoning them to death. I guess that’s what you mean by being “particularly bad?”[/quote]
No, He didn’t. The night he killed 50 people, he decided it was for Isis. Before that, he supported Hezbollah and Hamas. Mortal enemies, and he supports them both. LE can find no connection, no communication, and no evidence he was ever radicalized. But he sure hated gays.
What I mean by particularly bad is particularly bad. There are some Muslims who treat gays and women like shit. And there are some Christians who support that same treatment.
June 20, 2016 at 2:59 PM #798893Participant[quote=PCinSD][quote=flu]Trump seems to have radicalized more americans into racists bent on terrorizing brown people than isis has radicalized Americans into terrorists.[/quote]
Got a link for that?[/quote]
13 million people voted for him in primaries.
June 20, 2016 at 3:03 PM #798894Participant[quote=bearishgurl] We’re paying to operate at least 25% more public schools than we need to in South County and paying the (unnecessary) salaries of 25% more teachers and administrators so we can spread all the non-resident students around and provide an (expensive) K-12 education to students actually living in another country! This practice has the effect of completely filling up all these schools in older areas which would otherwise be closed due to lack of a sufficient student body actually residing within their attendance boundaries.[/quote]
25%? Got any actual studies to support the claim that 25% of the students are not legally entitled to a public education?
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.