Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[carli]

[quote=flu]
For me, I would be slightly terrified if the majority of the Americans are like BG. But, frankly I have faith there are more people in this country are more like my neighbors and people like you Carli. I just need to be reminded of that every so often. Thanks.[/quote]

You’re welcome, flu. Just returning the favor, I guess, as many of your posts have reminded me that people whose opinion/sanity/intelligence I respect and count on are still out there. Phew.

Funny thing is I made a bet w/my teenager, who was lobbying for a car last December when we had a dinnertime political discussion and my position was that people are too smart to go for Trump, that if Trump became the nominee, I would buy her a car. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that would happen, which is why I’ve started to lose a little faith in my judgment about humanity. Luckily for me, two things happened: 1) Although Trump won the nomination, the intensifying spotlight is further illuminating all the reasons why he’d be too scary for our country and people are starting to wake up to it and 2) I realized a Matchbox car still qualifies as a car.

[Coronita]

[quote=carli][quote=flu]
For me, I would be slightly terrified if the majority of the Americans are like BG. But, frankly I have faith there are more people in this country are more like my neighbors and people like you Carli. I just need to be reminded of that every so often. Thanks.[/quote]

You’re welcome, flu. Just returning the favor, I guess, as many of your posts have reminded me that people whose opinion/sanity/intelligence I respect and count on are still out there. Phew.

Funny thing is I made a bet w/my teenager, who was lobbying for a car last December when we had a dinnertime political discussion and my position was that people are too smart to go for Trump, that if Trump became the nominee, I would buy her a car. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that would happen, which is why I’ve started to lose a little faith in my judgment about humanity. Luckily for me, two things happened: 1) Although Trump won the nomination, the intensifying spotlight is further illuminating all the reasons why he’d be too scary for our country and people are starting to wake up to it and 2) I realized a Matchbox car still qualifies as a car.[/quote]

Lol on the matchbox…

[an]

[quote=flu][quote=carli]BG, do you realize how out-of-touch your comment is, about being afraid of immigrants who “want to emigrate to the US solely to spread their (incompatible, non-western) religious beliefs and customs to Americans and also onto their own offspring, later born in the US”??

Um, wasn’t that what our country was founded on? Freedom of religion and all that?

If they weren’t so frightening, comments like yours (mimicking Trump’s) would be truly comical.

Of course our country needs to guard against terrorists, but that does not extend to keeping out people of “incompatible non-western religious beliefs.” And please, do tell, what are those religious beliefs that are incompatible with those of us in the U.S.??

And you wonder why people consider you ignorant and racist.[/quote]

For me, I would be slightly terrified if the majority of the Americans are like BG. But, frankly I have faith there are more people in this country are more like my neighbors and people like you Carli. I just need to be reminded of that every so often. Thanks.[/quote]This is another reason why I’m loving living in CA and SoCal specifically. My kid’s school super diverse where they don’t even think twice about diversity. When I say diverse, I mean that no nationality/heritage have more than 10% of the class, unless you count mix races/nationality/heritage as a group. I’m not too concern about people like BG here in SD, at least my part of SD.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi] . . . BG, If you drive a new car, you have much less chance of getting stopped. The police target old cars like your old Lexus. Your want profiling the Trump way? You got a taste of it. . . . [/quote]Ha, ha, FIH! Why don’t you try driving MY route sometime in your *newer* car! Make sure you pack your trunk relatively heavy, where it is visibly lower from your vehicle’s rear view. You’re going to be gone for weeks! You can start from beautiful El Centro, CA and work your way along I-8/I-10 all the way to El Paso, TX. We’ll let you have a 4-6 week “pass.” You will return to SD along the same route and come back and report to the Piggs your experience with Homeland Security east-west checkpoints in this great country of ours! I’m waiting with bated breath!

Oh, and I would recommend you get a “bra” for your car (or carry heavy-duty washing mitts and cleaners with you). We’re approaching “flying beetle season” in NM.

I’ve seen PLENTY of new and newer vehicles pulled into “secondary” at these makeshift traffic stops (which has never happened to me, btw). Yeah, even a new luxury car rental ($65K Mercedes Sedan) straight out of LAX! Of course, the Border Patrol/Customs agents can certainly tell by its CA plate configuration if a particular vehicle is from a rental fleet. Why don’t you tell me why the border patrol would pull over a carload of tourists who have obviously already been “vetted” with their documents at the time they entered the country at the airport??

[spdrun]

Not being on a no-fly list doesn’t mean that you aren’t transporting or selling drugs. Apparently, using rental vehicles is pretty common.

What I noticed is that I didn’t get much cr@p when the rental was registered in the same state. Take an AZ rental to CA or vice-versa, and they go full-on ‘tard.

This being said, I agree that the stops are garbage, and the people (if you can call them that) working them are also mostly filth. I’m not grateful to them for “keeping us safe.” They fall into my “I wouldn’t take a p!ss on you if you were on fire” or “I wouldn’t call 911 if I saw you get hit by a speeding truck” category.

[Coronita]

I am still waiting for an answer to a previous question from the Trump faction.

How would have banning all people that look middle eastern from being in the US, or racially profiling people that look middle eastern….could have prevented the murder of Christina Grimmie in Orlando on the same weekend, when the deranged gunman, Kevin James Loibl, was an American born citizen that happens to be (for the lack of better words to describe him) caucasian

????????

Let’s not really talk about things like better gun control or waiting periods… let’s just focus on the low hanging fruit of identifying who we perceive as bad simply by paint by color. Lol.

In the same way, well shit if some of us can’t get into college , let’s do the paint by color again and ban all the Asians who all obviously cheated their way into and admissions spot. While we are at it, let’s come up with a systematic way that makes it extremely difficult for them to get it, while not putting the same criteria for everyone else…..

And, yes it’s true…not every trump supporter probably has a axe to grind with all specific ethnicity/race/etc mentioned above. But it does seem that most trump supporter has at least one axe to grind with at least one race/ethnicity/etc. Some have problems with Latinos, some have problems with middle easterners, some have problems with Asians. And some have problems with any or all of the above. Its probably the one reason why there is any unification under the Trump umbrella. Hate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=SK in CV][quote=PCinSD]LOL, you are really one butthurt dude. You may want to cry more. I can go on busting you up, hypocrite. Does this work when you argue in real life?[/quote]

Is that what you fantasize about? Imagining you’re busting people up in online discussion groups? Grab a tissue dude. Your load is shot and it couldn’t even hit the screen. Trump guy, aren’t you?[/quote]

Damn. You mad. Sorry your bff is racist.[/quote]

Not mad. Sad that stupidity doesn’t hurt more. I don’t have a bff here. Trump’s your guy. Check the mirror before you call people racist.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=carli]

Funny thing is I made a bet w/my teenager, who was lobbying for a car last December when we had a dinnertime political discussion and my position was that people are too smart to go for Trump, that if Trump became the nominee, I would buy her a car. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that would happen, which is why I’ve started to lose a little faith in my judgment about humanity. Luckily for me, two things happened: 1) Although Trump won the nomination, the intensifying spotlight is further illuminating all the reasons why he’d be too scary for our country and people are starting to wake up to it and 2) I realized a Matchbox car still qualifies as a car.[/quote]

Hi Carli, now that Trump is the nominee, what is your assessment of his support among the American people?

I feel Trump supporters have always been the same and they have always been there. They were contained but they just found their man in Trump; and they are now unbound. That’s about 30% to 40% of the population.

Then we have 20% of the population that is waking up to Trump being too scary.

Finally 40% of the population that I too would call “too smart to go for Trump.”

[SK in CV]

[quote=flu]I am still waiting for an answer to a previous question from the Trump faction.

How would have banning all people that look middle eastern from being in the US, or racially profiling people that look middle eastern….could have prevented the murder of Christina Grimmie in Orlando on the same weekend, when the deranged gunman, Kevin James Loibl, was an American born citizen that happens to be (for the lack of better words to describe him) caucasian

????????

Let’s not really talk about things like better gun control or waiting periods… let’s just focus on the low hanging fruit of identifying who we perceive as bad simply by paint by color. Lol.

In the same way, well shit if some of us can’t get into college , let’s do the paint by color again and ban all the Asians who all obviously cheated their way into and admissions spot. While we are at it, let’s come up with a systematic way that makes it extremely difficult for them to get it, while not putting the same criteria for everyone else…..

And, yes it’s true…not every trump supporter probably has a axe to grind with all specific ethnicity/race/etc mentioned above. But it does seem that most trump supporter has at least one axe to grind with at least one race/ethnicity/etc. Some have problems with Latinos, some have problems with middle easterners, some have problems with Asians. And some have problems with any or all of the above. Its probably the one reason why there is any unification under the Trump umbrella. Hate.[/quote]

I kept waiting and waiting….wondering if you were actually going to hit the target. And you did. Head on.

Hate.

I don’t really remember much about Christina Grimmie, but I do watch the voice. At the time I may have noticed her, but she turned into one pretty young woman with a great voice, and I forgot her. Her death was notable in my home because both my wife and I watch the voice, and my wife is from Orlando. She knows the place where the young lady was killed. The victim of another hateful act.

And just a day later, another hateful act took 50 lives. Not like the attack in Tel Aviv a few days earlier. Not like Paris or Brussels or Istanbul. In fact, nothing like them. A hateful man, who hated gays attacked 300 people in a nightclub. And politicians were quick to blame it on muslims. That hasty decision, racist on it’s face, was dead wrong. It had nothing to do with Isis, nothing to do with Islam, radical or otherwise. It had only to do with hate. Hate that is approved of, vindicated, and sanctioned every day in this country.

While politicians mostly ignored the hate, and went on to find solutions to terrorism, solutions to gun control, pointing fingers at who was responsible and who predicted it would happen, they almost all ignored what happened. A gay nightclub with 300 people inside was attacked on latin night. For the sole reason that it was a gay night club. And the guy who did the attacking thought gays should be dead. His father taught him that. His religion taught him that. As Christian preachers over and over again have taught the exact same thing.

As more than 100 laws in the last 6 months have been proposed limiting, eliminating, and dismissing the rights of the LGBT community, that hate has been vindicated over and over again. There are way too many people in this country who approve of that hate. And every single one of them bears responsibility for Orlando.

And Trump pats himself on the back for being right, when he couldn’t have been more wrong, he’ll press ahead and ban Muslims. And then ban Mosques. And next is going to be the Mexicans because Muslims cross over the Mexican border. And pretty soon it will be the Chinese because of their currency manipulation or some other thing that he doesn’t really understand, but it sounds good enough to whip up hate. And then it will be every other Asian population, because how can you tell where they’re from, they use chop sticks. And eventually he’ll get around to the Jewish bankers. Because they always do.

All because it’s so much easier to blame an outside enemy than one on the inside.

Hate.

We have all we need.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN][quote=flu][quote=carli]BG, do you realize how out-of-touch your comment is, about being afraid of immigrants who “want to emigrate to the US solely to spread their (incompatible, non-western) religious beliefs and customs to Americans and also onto their own offspring, later born in the US”??

Um, wasn’t that what our country was founded on? Freedom of religion and all that?

If they weren’t so frightening, comments like yours (mimicking Trump’s) would be truly comical.

Of course our country needs to guard against terrorists, but that does not extend to keeping out people of “incompatible non-western religious beliefs.” And please, do tell, what are those religious beliefs that are incompatible with those of us in the U.S.??

And you wonder why people consider you ignorant and racist.[/quote]

For me, I would be slightly terrified if the majority of the Americans are like BG. But, frankly I have faith there are more people in this country are more like my neighbors and people like you Carli. I just need to be reminded of that every so often. Thanks.[/quote]This is another reason why I’m loving living in CA and SoCal specifically. My kid’s school super diverse where they don’t even think twice about diversity. When I say diverse, I mean that no nationality/heritage have more than 10% of the class, unless you count mix races/nationality/heritage as a group. I’m not too concern about people like BG here in SD, at least my part of SD.[/quote]Well, AN, I guess “you people” residing 30 miles or more from the US/MX border don’t have to deal with hundreds of K-12 students crossing the border every day and filling up your local public schools (that’s dozens to hundreds of “out-of-country” students for every.single.public.school around here). You don’t have to visit your kid’s HS parking lot in the middle of the school day and see 1/4 to 1/3 of the parked student vehicles bearing license plates from Baja, CA. You don’t go thru the drop-off/pick-up lines in the morning at your kid’s elementary school and see up to half the license plates of other parents doing the same thing you’re doing in vehicles bearing license plates issued in Baja, CA.

If you live near an elementary school, you don’t have dusty vehicles bearing Baja, CA license plates parking on your street, with a parent or other adult getting out and walking students through the back gate of the school grounds in the morning and parking on your street again before the dismissal bell rings and walking thru the back gate to meet all the kids they brought to school that morning. This same group of Baja-licensed vehicles parked on my street every.single.school.day for the entire 12 years I lived there (so it wasn’t so apparent in front of the principal’s office that they were “commuting” from MX every day).

No? You are not putting up with this at your kids’ schools? flu? carli? AN? I didn’t think so. I have to laugh when I read all the posts here from “concerned-parent” Piggs residing in SD North City/North County who feel their local school might be accepting students from an adjacent neighborhood (who presumably don’t live in the attendance area of said public school) and by doing so is thereby lessening spots for their own kids. How would you like your school district to “give away” (knowingly or unknowingly … but with a wink and a nod!) dozens or even hundreds of seats in your local public school to “out of country” students??

Carry on continuing to “pat each other on the back.”

I want to know what all those “concerned” parents would do if the student parking lots at the likes of TPHS or Canyon Crest Academy began filling up with “dusty” vehicles bearing Baja, CA license plates. Picket your superintendent’s office? Follow some of these vehicles after school all the way down to the border and have your passenger document the whole excursion with their video camera? Work with your legislators to draft new legislation on how CA public schools “vet” a prospective student’s proof of residency? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ….. GOOD LUCK, folks!

Of course, none of you have the ability to put yourself in the shoes of other longtime RESIDENT SD County parents of school-age students who HAVE experienced this phenomenon day in and day out, year in and year out at their kids’ schools.

Oh, and carli? I’m not “afraid” of anyone. There are many Muslim young people (both male and female) occupying retail and restaurant positions around me and I have had nothing but good experiences with them. However, I do agree with Trump that the US needs to vet people from predominantly Muslim countries who are seeking visas into the country (for whatever reason) much more thoroughly than they have in the past. If that delays travel for people in these groups, then so be it. Along with all other countries in the world (most of whom look out for their own interests much better than the US does), the US has the right to modify its procedures to obtain a Visa to enter it, extend a traveler’s Visa, revoke a Visa/deport someone, as well as the procedures to qualify for permanent residency.

Glad to hear that you are feeling fine about the level of school “diversity” in your little “bubble,” AN. It’s pretty clear here than many parents on this board are hopelessly out of touch as to the effects our “open border” has on CA citizens, taxpayers, the state and all its subdivisions. Our open border is a direct cause of these (mostly fiscal) adverse effects (and all the “unfunded mandates” which go along with the border being “open”).

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl]However, I do agree with Trump that the US needs to vet people from predominantly Muslim countries who are seeking visas into the country (for whatever reason) much more thoroughly than they have in the past. [/quote]

Trump has said, on numerous occasions, that he would ban all muslims from entering the country. No exceptions. Vetting wasn’t a requirement. Not even an exception for US citizens who left and tried to return. Now, he’s both walked some of these comments back, but then repeated them again. What you have described is not what he supports. Do you have any idea, btw, how long it takes to get a visa from most middle east countries? Do you have any idea what the vetting process is like now?

[quote=bearishgurl]It’s pretty clear here than many parents on this board are hopelessly out of touch as to the effects our “open border” has on CA citizens, taxpayers, the state and all its subdivisions. [/quote]

The US does not have an open border. The US has never had an open border. I can’t think of a single elected official, or any significant candidate who has proposed an open border. And the net undocumented population has remained pretty constant over the last 7 years. It’s the same size now as it was in 2008. If there was an open border, there would be more.

BTW, if you hate brown people so badly, why don’t you move where you can find more white people like you?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=SK in CV] . . . The US does not have an open border. The US has never had an open border. I can’t think of a single elected official, or any significant candidate who has proposed an open border. And the net undocumented population has remained pretty constant over the last 7 years. It’s the same size now as it was in 2008. If there was an open border, there would be more.[/quote]It’s “open enough” to allow Mexicans and Americans alike to cross back and forth daily (to drive their kids to school in the US or drive to school in the US (for a teenaged driver).

SK, did your kids attend public school in the “other CV?” That is …. in Carmel Valley (SD)? You know … the CV which is ~30 miles from the border? And if so, did THEIR SCHOOLS have dozens or even hundreds of Mexican-citizen students who crossed the border every morning to attend it?

How far away do you currently reside from an AZ/MX int’l border crossing gate? 150-200 miles, perhaps?

What you know and can tell us about the habits of daily (northbound in the morning) “border crossers” would likely fit neatly into a thimble.

[livinincali]

[quote=SK in CV]
And just a day later, another hateful act took 50 lives. Not like the attack in Tel Aviv a few days earlier. Not like Paris or Brussels or Istanbul. In fact, nothing like them. A hateful man, who hated gays attacked 300 people in a nightclub. And politicians were quick to blame it on muslims. That hasty decision, racist on it’s face, was dead wrong. It had nothing to do with Isis, nothing to do with Islam, radical or otherwise. It had only to do with hate. Hate that is approved of, vindicated, and sanctioned every day in this country.

While politicians mostly ignored the hate, and went on to find solutions to terrorism, solutions to gun control, pointing fingers at who was responsible and who predicted it would happen, they almost all ignored what happened. A gay nightclub with 300 people inside was attacked on latin night. For the sole reason that it was a gay night club. And the guy who did the attacking thought gays should be dead. His father taught him that. His religion taught him that. As Christian preachers over and over again have taught the exact same thing.
[/quote]

How are you going to say it’s not about his religion in one paragraph and then immediately blame the teachings of his religion for the hate that consumed him in the next. Many religions teach their followers that being a homosexual is a sin. Muslim’s preachers and followers seem to be particularly bad in this regard as evidenced by the laws in countries that are heavily secular Muslim. The shooter attended prayer sessions by an Iman that preached this hate here in this country. Shall we ban the first amendment. Should we ban religions that teach hate towards gays and women. Why should we allow people in this country that have likely been taught this hate towards gays or taught women should be treated as property. Are we naive enough to think we can change these people’s views on gays and women after decades of being taught something else.

As for more more gun control, maybe it’s worth it but seems like our law enforcement already can’t do it’s job. He acquired his weapons via legal means as far as I can tell even though the FBI investigated him and was alerted again by a gun store that refused to sell the shooter the weapons in the first place. Would another law have helped or was it just really crappy law enforcement that had better things to do. The police didn’t storm the building and take out the shooter until 3 hours had passed by while they waited outside. How many people died in that 3 hours that could have been saved if the police had acted as brave heroes rather than complete pansies.

That said banning Muslims isn’t a realistic option and obviously leads to a slippery slope. Who do we ban or discriminate against next. Going as far as repealing the second amendment and confiscating all the guns isn’t going to happen and isn’t necessarily going to stop these kind of attacks either. That didn’t stop the attacks in Europe which have far more restrictive gun control than we do. Being nice and not criticizing the elements of the Muslim religion that teach hate probably isn’t going to make that hate go away. We probably should criticize those elements of the Muslim religion that teach hate rather than ignoring them. In addition we probably should let people arm themselves and carry. It’s not optimal having a bunch of people running around with guns everywhere, but it’s probably the best of a lot of bad solutions.

[carli]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

Hi Carli, now that Trump is the nominee, what is your assessment of his support among the American people?

I feel Trump supporters have always been the same and they have always been there. They were contained but they just found their man in Trump; and they are now unbound. That’s about 30% to 40% of the population.

Then we have 20% of the population that is waking up to Trump being too scary.

Finally 40% of the population that I too would call “too smart to go for Trump.”[/quote]

Hi FIH, I can’t speculate about who these people are or what motivates them to support Trump, but it’s bizarre to me that a decent chunk of the population apparently lacks the critical thinking skills to realize how far back he would set our country if he were to become President.

I get that these people feel disenfranchised/pissed off by politicians and love Trump’s shoot-from-the-hip lack of political correctness, but how can they possibly think he is qualified in any way to be President of the U.S.? And how are they not instead totally freaked out by how dangerous he would be?

During all my years in NYC, Trump was dismissed as a total laughingstock, always making an ass of himself. He never made any good deals, especially since his only motivation was his ego. But now it seems the world (or at least the Republican party) has become topsy turvey and Trump is somehow now a candidate for President. It’s surreal to me. Seriously, I cannot imagine who thinks this is a good idea. Scary.

All I can say is I’m relieved to see that Hilary is leading by 45% to Trump’s 38% in the polls, for now – http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

[FlyerInHi]

BG. It’s your fault for driving a car with heavy trunk. You look the part and you’re profile accordingly. Get used to it.

I take the path of least resistance, and other than driving to and from Vegas and in Southern California, i have no interest in driving in fly over country. Now that my Vegas properties are all remodeled, and Ikea opened a store in Vegas, I no longer need to load up Ikea kitchens in my truck.

I recently drove a big truck to bring 4000sf of tiles from Tijiana Mexico. Each person is allowed $600 worth of tax free import from Mexico, so it took 2 trips. I saved at least $8000 over the same tiles by sourcing in MX. We should have more trade between Mexico and USA. NAFTA and TPP are good deal.

BTW, what’s wrong with dusty cars with MX plates? There are lots of bi-national families and their relatives.

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