Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[temeculaguy]

[quote=FlyerInHi]There are plenty of good cars that are commensurate with your budget. You have to be stubborn and/or emotional to buy a bad car. It’s like insisting on a performance or status car when your budget is family sedan or economy.[/quote]

Now that is quite the inverted redneck statement. None of my cars that I regretted purchasing were performance or status cars above my means. That post is akin to saying gays get aids because they are making bad choices. But you wouldn’t say that because it’s ignorant and biased. But you’ll say something equally ignorant about a demographic you’ve judged to not fit your paradigm. That’s the same as an ass backwards redneck, just inverted.

That crappy car was a new, late 80’s, no options Honda civic. Back when they were the cheap and reliable car standard. I’ve purchased about 5 Hondas in my lifetime, all wonderful cars except that one. Ive owned BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac, Infiniti and other “status cars” and they all penciled out better. That’s life, that’s playing the odds and still losing. That’s splitting aces against a 6 and losing both hands. Smokers sometimes live to be 100, and non smoker vegans get lung cancer at 45. Sure the odds are in the other direction, but anomalies occur. But when you hear of that vegan getting cancer you don’t say “that’s what you get when you aren’t as smart as me, you should eat some salmon like I do for the antioxidants.”

I figured out why Trump is so popular, why the pendulum has swung against PC. It’s precisely because of comments like this. You buy a car that turns out to be a lemon and suddenly it’s because you are bad, selfish, unrealistic, status driven, etc. etc. It suddenly makes it feel good to vote for the guy that makes Flyer and his ilk pee their pants. See, this is why I hate politics, in a non election year I’d just ignore this and go have a glass of wine. I was a little on the fence because zk made me think about a few things, I’m off that fence now and I hate why. zk, you know who to blame when President Trump pisses you off. Not me, I was forced into it.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=temeculaguy]

I figured out why Trump is so popular, why the pendulum has swung against PC. It’s precisely because of comments like this. You buy a car that turns out to be a lemon and suddenly it’s because you are bad, selfish, unrealistic, status driven, etc. etc. It suddenly makes it feel good to vote for the guy that makes Flyer and his ilk pee their pants. See, this is why I hate politics, in a non election year I’d just ignore this and go have a glass of wine. I was a little on the fence because zk made me think about a few things, I’m off that fence now and I hate why. zk, you know who to blame when President Trump pisses you off. Not me, I was forced into it.[/quote]

What’s wrong with PC? By that I mean PC to be well-considered and thoughtful. That’s what a good education and upbringing are for.

Why do people want emotional and letting all their stuff hang out for all to see? Maybe it feels good? But that’s not conservative, not pious, not saintly, not reverent.

[outtamojo]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=temeculaguy]

I figured out why Trump is so popular, why the pendulum has swung against PC. It’s precisely because of comments like this. You buy a car that turns out to be a lemon and suddenly it’s because you are bad, selfish, unrealistic, status driven, etc. etc. It suddenly makes it feel good to vote for the guy that makes Flyer and his ilk pee their pants. See, this is why I hate politics, in a non election year I’d just ignore this and go have a glass of wine. I was a little on the fence because zk made me think about a few things, I’m off that fence now and I hate why. zk, you know who to blame when President Trump pisses you off. Not me, I was forced into it.[/quote]

What’s wrong with PC? By that I mean PC to be well-considered and thoughtful. That’s what a good education and upbringing are for.

Why do people want emotional and letting all their stuff hang out for all to see? Maybe it feels good? But that’s not conservative, not pious, not saintly, not reverent.[/quote]

Now I get it. PC makes a hostile environment for racists/misogynists like Trump makes a hostile environment for women and off colored skin. Everyone just wants to vote their own book?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=outtamojo]

Now I get it. PC makes a hostile environment for racists/misogynists like Trump makes a hostile environment for women and off colored skin. Everyone just wants to vote their own book?[/quote]

It’s called the white backlash. That’s the strategy Trump is running on.

That a very good article that links to demographics analysis. It shows that white backlash has always been there. Republicans used is until they felt it got maxed out, so they tried to each out to Hispanics.
Trump is simply doubling down on white backlash and “letting the dogs out” so to speak.
http://wapo.st/1sxig6A

[temeculaguy]

You both missed the point. The definition of a Bigot is “a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions”

What you don’t get is that you quickly make judgements of those who hold different opinions. Which is exactly what a racist does. I was attempting to point out the hypocrisy of the car buyer comment. With little to no facts, flyer decided who the person is, why they bought a bad car and why flyer is better than them.

But here’s why it’s my fault. I know there is no point in arguing religion or politics, shame on me for thinking I could. I would have have the same same result if I chose to argue with someone who is drunk. Reason and logic will not prevail. Mea Culpa

[outtamojo]

If being a bigot or racist merely meant you were intolerant or were quick to make judgement then I have no problem with anyone being a bigot or a racist. However,someone who acts and incites others to act, on bigoted and racist views towards genuine American citizens mind you, is on a whole nuther level.

[FlyerInHi]

Temeculaguy, your logic is that there is no crime in buying a bad car.

However, choosing a leader is not the same. There is a righteous component to choosing a leader and supporters bear responsibility. Otherwise, electing George Wallace would have been equivalent to electing someone else.

In reponse to outamojo I made the point that white backlash, a fairly well-studied social phenomenon, explains the support for Trump.

There is historical context. In the aftermath of the civil war, in the interest of reconciliation, we failed expunge racist culture. So we ended up with segregation. Then after Civil Rights we have periodic flareups of white backlash.

Economically, that’s really too bad, because we impoverished a large portion of our population who could have contributed much more to our wealth. Fiscal conservatives should be horrified at the wealth lost.

Social conservatives might wish to consult their religious leaders about the choice between right and wrong.

You’re free to argue that Trump is the right choice. All the more power to you. But all choices are not equal. And yes, we can and should judge making wrong choices.

[phaster]

so WRT OP (i.e. Reasons I cannot vote for Trump)

[quote=donaldjtrump.com]
Make America Great Again!

“Donald J. Trump is the very definition of the American success story, continually setting the standards of excellence in business, real estate and entertainment.”

http://www.donaldjtrump.com
[/quote]

between the shameless self promotion and various public comments which indicate a total lack of understanding of science (for example when donald said that “there is no drought” just about two weeks ago)

http://piggington.com/ucsd_econ_roundtable#comment-268140

then there is the issue of not understanding given the global supply chain (for high tech products like the iPhone) which indicate why its impossible to bring back assembly jobs for consumer products to the USA (like in the 1950s and 1960s)

http://www.technologyreview.com/s/601491/the-all-american-iphone/

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/trump-wont-get-apple-make-iphones-shouldnt/

seems there is more than a kernel of truth to the comedy news sketch (The Daily Show with Trevor Noah) that we’re scary close to having an african type president w/ undesirable traits of being narcissistic (i.e. “braggadocious”) and illiterate WRT subjects like science, economics, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPrJxTvgdQ

[FlyerInHi]

At least accordiong to the “elitist” press, the consensus seems to be that Trump’s response to Orlando was pretty atrocious.

What do you think, bearishgurl?

[livinincali]

[quote=FlyerInHi]At least accordiong to the “elitist” press, the consensus seems to be that Trump’s response to Orlando was pretty atrocious.
[/quote]

The essence of I told you so about Muslims isn’t probably the best first response to a tragedy.

[svelte]

[quote=temeculaguy]
I figured out why Trump is so popular, why the pendulum has swung against PC. It’s precisely because of comments like this. [/quote]

Interesting theory. It’s not the conclusion I’ve come to.

A few months ago when Trump’s nomination started looking like a real possibility, I started really getting curious. I think that I stumbled across a few articles that helped explain his appeal in a way that seems plausible to me.

For the last few elections, the Republican nominee has been someone who started out a fairly moderate Republican but was forced way right to get the votes for the nomination during the primaries. My theory here is that the Republican Powers That Be (PTB) knew it would take someone fairly moderate to get the independent votes (needed in the general election). Think McCain and Romney here. The PTB knew the candidate would be forced right during the primaries, but that the general electorate would forget about that as the candidate came back to center in the period between the convention and the election.

This didn’t work out so well for them either time. Not enough independents forgot about statements during the primary season for McCain or Romney to get elected, and the far righters in the Republican party are not happy about the return to center part of the campaigns. This is amplified by the cleansing that has gone on in the Republican party in the last decade: candidates that weren’t right enough were ousted, and as the party became more and more extreme, the moderate Republican voters left to become independents. This makes the Republican party membership more and more extreme.

And a little more fuel was added to the fire: the Supreme Court lifted the restrictions on campaign contributions. This scared me greatly thinking that rich Republicans would buy elections. Problem is, it infuriated the rank and file Republican membership even more! They felt the same way and it convinced them (rightly, in my opinion) that their vote wasn’t being heard, that their party was being controlled by puppeteers and that they were merely puppets!

The result of all this: the extreme right Republicans (most of the party now) have said screw it, we want someone extreme right this time. Not someone who drifted right during the primaries. Someone who talks to us in raw terms with a devil may care attitude. And they picked Trump as the messenger.

I doubt he has a snowball’s chance in November, but who knows. If Clinton gets indicted (not likely), then that changes everything. And some Novembers are mighty cold after all.

[FlyerInHi]

Svelte, you’re on to something, except for the fact this the republican base is not extreme right when it comes to ideology. They are lower class, non-college educated nativist-populists.

The Republican Party is an alliance of urban economic elites and non-college educated Whites that is unraveling.

The suggestive tone that Trump is speaking “something is going on, Obama doesn’t get it, or he gets is better than anybody understands” is the same tone Republicans have been using to rile up their voters for decades. The anger is real and it’s a creation of the Republican establishment.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=livinincali][quote=FlyerInHi]At least accordiong to the “elitist” press, the consensus seems to be that Trump’s response to Orlando was pretty atrocious.
[/quote]

The essence of I told you so about Muslims isn’t probably the best first response to a tragedy.[/quote]

Trump was totally wrong about Muslim. Trump lied and said the shooter was from Afghanistan. He was born in NY.
Then Trump went on to double down on his ban on Muslims. Such a ban would not have prevented the shooting.

Of course, Trump supporters don’t care about the truth. They are eating up the xenophobia.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Svelte, you’re on to something, except for the fact this the republican base is not extreme right when it comes to ideology. They are lower class, non-college educated nativist-populists.

The Republican Party is an alliance of urban economic elites and non-college educated Whites that is unraveling.

The suggestive tone that Trump is speaking “something is going on, Obama doesn’t get it, or he gets is better than anybody understands” is the same tone Republicans have been using to rile up their voters for decades. The anger is real and it’s a creation of the Republican establishment.[/quote]

You sound angry. Try not being such a racist.

[FlyerInHi]

racist would be if i said a race is superior. not the case.

just stating the facts. a lot of people are saying, we are so surprised, we can’t support Trump, but we will vote for the Republican nominee. “Duh, no surprise at all, you understand very well what you created. You’re not able to contain it anymore, but you understand very well.”

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