Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[temeculaguy]

[quote=zk][quote=temeculaguy] I’ll vote for anyone but Hillary.[/quote]

Now, temeculaguy, you’ve always seemed like a pretty enlightened, reasonable guy. I’m really curious why you hate Hillary so much. And I want you to be honest with yourself and picture her as a man and see if you hate her so much. If she held the same policy positions she does now, and had basically the same personality she does now, but was a man, would you hate her so much? Would you vow to vote for anybody but her, even if that anybody was an immature, narcissistic, ignorant lunatic who poses a real and serious threat to the safety and prosperity of this country?

Do you really think that he would be a better president than her, or are you letting some vague, primordial hatred for her get in the way of a reasonable and responsible vote?[/quote]

In all honesty I didn’t start out in Trump’s camp. I started out in the “anyone but Hillary or Cruz camp.” I liked Kasich, Bernie, the Doc (but he occasionally perplexed me with his wackiness, but his middle east refugee plan was so good it made me overlook things). I was okay with Christie, Fiorina and Rubio. But still all of them would get my vote in the end if they faced Hillary or Cruz. Huckabee is hard to hate but he was initially in that “anyone but” category as was rand paul who’s easy to hate. Here’s the reason why, none of it is race or gender. I do not like politicians who are overly religious and I do not like those who are on the take. Cruz and Huckabee are way too religious even though the country is not. To me, that is akin to Sharia law but from a different book. I’d prefer a president who believes in a higher power but only goes to a church to be respectful (funerals, weddings, etc.) but not actually think any religious texts with a questionable chain of evidence to be similar to a penal code or a technical manual. I don’t want them to start taking the word “god” off our currency and monuments but only because they respect history and not religion.

at the 7 minute mark the Noah part is hilarious, but I’d prefer my leader sees religion as something that’s a nice thing for those that enjoy it but not part of the government that is supposed to be by and for the people when most people don’t take it that seriously. I’m cool with a higher power, but I have issues with hardcore religious leaders regardless of which religion.

So here we are, why not Hillary? My guess if it ended up Cruz vs Bernie nobody would accuse me of bias if I supported Bernie, which in that scenario I would. But it irritates me to my very soul that I get attacked because it’s Trump vs. Hillary. That is playing the woman card in the worst sense of card playing. I didn’t hear that when I voted for Obama over her (to be honest I think it was a done deal by the time we voted in California but I still never heard it in earlier contests because he is part black). It’s only an issue because Trump is a white guy and that irritates me beyond belief.

The main reason I do not like her is the Clinton foundation and her personal wealth at what I believe is at the expense of the American people. 10 million from the Saudis and soon after they get an arms sales deal. Money from China, from wall street. I’m okay with it on a certain level but she won’t own it, she chooses to shame others for similar actions. I’m okay with prostitutes, but I’m not okay if they criticize other prostitutes. That’s Hillary. Plus she’s a rotten role model for women, one of which I raised. Thankfully the one I raised is a Bernie fan and looks at Hillary like an alien from another planet when she hears the story of Hillary’s marriage. I wish Bernie hadn’t waited until two days ago to bring up Hillary’s money and the Clinton foundation, then it would be Bernie vs. Trump and we would have some meaningful discussions. Or if it had been Kasich vs. bernie and I could feel everything would be okay. But it’s not, so it’s Trump or its one of the people I dislike the most, male or female and that’s why tomorrow, Trump gets my vote and he will not destroy the world and I’m optimistic that he will improve it. I believe Jack Nicholson said it in a Batman movie, “This town needs an enema.”

To confuse you more, I am pro abortion, pro moderate gun control (for assault weapons ban, against open carry), pro gay marriage, pro socialized medicine, anti-world police, pro wall at the border, pro better background checks for immigrants from muslim countries, anti sharia law, pro immigration from Mexico, pro deportation of violent or sexual offenders from any country, pro death penalty. I like France’s stance on the Hijab being banned in public schools, you can come here but leave that shit at the door, assimilate or get out. So you cannot put me into a box, I fit no party, I fit no stereotype. I have relatives that are of Arabic and African American decent, including a Muslim relative who I adore. I also think Black Lives Matters does more harm than good for African Americans because they usually defend the very people that prey on their own community. I especially think the anti-trump rioters and protesters are hurting their cause and are being entirely anti free speech. I was also on the other side of the border Saturday giving money to the Haitians, but I still want thorough background checks before they are let in. Charity and sympathy are good, but due diligence is also good. To quote an Arab saying “have trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.”

But here’s the thing, I know some of my stances have given many readers cause to dismiss my opinion, I’m sure a few of them have. I’ve been accused of being a populist but I have never understood why populism is bad, it means it is popular. By the people, for the people, even of you think you are better than the people. Now if we can just get Trump to pick Bernie as VP, this will work out just fine because neither are really democrats or republicans and I’m not a fan of either party so it’s a dream ticket for me. Think of it like fantasy sports, you get that team’s quarterback and that other team’s running back. But it’s called fantasy sports for a reason because it;s not real and I understand that.However my fantasy team does not have Hillary on it and it is not because she is a woman, my fantasy team would be nothing but women because it’s my fantasy (misogynistic and sexual innuendo for entertainment purposes only, and of course because I found it amusing) .

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=temeculaguy][quote=zk][quote=temeculaguy] I’ll vote for anyone but Hillary.[/quote]

Now, temeculaguy, you’ve always seemed like a pretty enlightened, reasonable guy. I’m really curious why you hate Hillary so much. And I want you to be honest with yourself and picture her as a man and see if you hate her so much. If she held the same policy positions she does now, and had basically the same personality she does now, but was a man, would you hate her so much? Would you vow to vote for anybody but her, even if that anybody was an immature, narcissistic, ignorant lunatic who poses a real and serious threat to the safety and prosperity of this country?

Do you really think that he would be a better president than her, or are you letting some vague, primordial hatred for her get in the way of a reasonable and responsible vote?[/quote]

In all honesty I didn’t start out in Trump’s camp. I started out in the “anyone but Hillary or Cruz camp.” I liked Kasich, Bernie, the Doc (but he occasionally perplexed me with his wackiness, but his middle east refugee plan was so good it made me overlook things). I was okay with Christie, Fiorina and Rubio. But still all of them would get my vote in the end if they faced Hillary or Cruz. Huckabee is hard to hate but he was initially in that “anyone but” category as was rand paul who’s easy to hate. Here’s the reason why, none of it is race or gender. I do not like politicians who are overly religious and I do not like those who are on the take. Cruz and Huckabee are way too religious even though the country is not. To me, that is akin to Sharia law but from a different book. I’d prefer a president who believes in a higher power but only goes to a church to be respectful (funerals, weddings, etc.) but not actually think any religious texts with a questionable chain of evidence to be similar to a penal code or a technical manual. I don’t want them to start taking the word “god” off our currency and monuments but only because they respect history and not religion.

at the 7 minute mark the Noah part is hilarious, but I’d prefer my leader sees religion as something that’s a nice thing for those that enjoy it but not part of the government that is supposed to be by and for the people when most people don’t take it that seriously. I’m cool with a higher power, but I have issues with hardcore religious leaders regardless of which religion.

So here we are, why not Hillary? My guess if it ended up Cruz vs Bernie nobody would accuse me of bias if I supported Bernie, which in that scenario I would. But it irritates me to my very soul that I get attacked because it’s Trump vs. Hillary. That is playing the woman card in the worst sense of card playing. I didn’t hear that when I voted for Obama over her (to be honest I think it was a done deal by the time we voted in California but I still never heard it in earlier contests because he is part black). It’s only an issue because Trump is a white guy and that irritates me beyond belief.

The main reason I do not like her is the Clinton foundation and her personal wealth at what I believe is at the expense of the American people. 10 million from the Saudis and soon after they get an arms sales deal. Money from China, from wall street. I’m okay with it on a certain level but she won’t own it, she chooses to shame others for similar actions. I’m okay with prostitutes, but I’m not okay if they criticize other prostitutes. That’s Hillary. Plus she’s a rotten role model for women, one of which I raised. Thankfully the one I raised is a Bernie fan and looks at Hillary like an alien from another planet when she hears the story of Hillary’s marriage. I wish Bernie hadn’t waited until two days ago to bring up Hillary’s money and the Clinton foundation, then it would be Bernie vs. Trump and we would have some meaningful discussions. Or if it had been Kasich vs. bernie and I could feel everything would be okay. But it’s not, so it’s Trump or its one of the people I dislike the most, male or female and that’s why tomorrow, Trump gets my vote and he will not destroy the world and I’m optimistic that he will improve it. I believe Jack Nicholson said it in a Batman movie, “This town needs an enema.”

To confuse you more, I am pro abortion, pro moderate gun control (for assault weapons ban, against open carry), pro gay marriage, pro socialized medicine, anti-world police, pro wall at the border, pro better background checks for immigrants from muslim countries, anti sharia law, pro immigration from Mexico, pro deportation of violent or sexual offenders from any country, pro death penalty. I like France’s stance on the Hijab being banned in public schools, you can come here but leave that shit at the door, assimilate or get out. So you cannot put me into a box, I fit no party, I fit no stereotype. I have relatives that are of Arabic and African American decent, including a Muslim relative who I adore. I also think Black Lives Matters does more harm than good for African Americans because they usually defend the very people that prey on their own community. I especially think the anti-trump rioters and protesters are hurting their cause and are being entirely anti free speech. I was also on the other side of the border Saturday giving money to the Haitians, but I still want thorough background checks before they are let in. Charity and sympathy are good, but due diligence is also good. To quote an Arab saying “have trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.”

But here’s the thing, I know some of my stances have given many readers cause to dismiss my opinion, I’m sure a few of them have. I’ve been accused of being a populist but I have never understood why populism is bad, it means it is popular. By the people, for the people, even of you think you are better than the people. Now if we can just get Trump to pick Bernie as VP, this will work out just fine because neither are really democrats or republicans and I’m not a fan of either party so it’s a dream ticket for me. Think of it like fantasy sports, you get that team’s quarterback and that other team’s running back. But it’s called fantasy sports for a reason because it;s not real and I understand that.However my fantasy team does not have Hillary on it and it is not because she is a woman, my fantasy team would be nothing but women because it’s my fantasy (misogynistic and sexual innuendo for entertainment purposes only, and of course because I found it amusing) .[/quote]

I’m with you, in theory, about enemas, the machine, toxic money. I doubt any candidate would be apocalyptic, but… trump saying Mexican judges aren’t fair is too far for me.

that’s not enemalike, or funny, or provocative, or anti PC, or enigmatic….that’s JUST PLAIN unacceptable. hes lost me.

when trump said “But we’ll come back in November. Wouldn’t that be wild if I’m president and I come back to do a civil case?”…that kind of shit freaks even a Vermin Supreme fan out. what the fuck is this? I read it as the power of the presidency is just a tool in his world domination utility belt.

his other quasi racist comments were alarming but weren’t over the top for me: this judge comment is way, way too far out there. others agree:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/06/trump_s_attacks_on_judge_curiel_are_in_line_with_the_gop.html

this crap is no bueno.

[FlyerInHi]

The Clinton foundation is a charity that does tremendous, tremendous (to borrow Trump vernacular) work around the world. It’s good that they are able to raise money, even from unsavory characters. Use their money to do good.

[SK in CV]

[quote=FlyerInHi]The Clinton foundation is a charity that does tremendous, tremendous (to borrow Trump vernacular) work around the world. It’s good that they are able to raise money, even from unsavory characters. Use their money to do good.[/quote]

That’s not the point. The question is whether there was quid pro quo. Did a $100 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation lead to questionable arms sales to evil maniacs in Zanzalbania that was approved by Secretary Clinton.

[zk]

[quote=temeculaguy]
I liked Kasich, Bernie, the Doc (but he occasionally perplexed me with his wackiness, but his middle east refugee plan was so good it made me overlook things). I was okay with Christie, Fiorina and Rubio. But still all of them would get my vote in the end if they faced Hillary or Cruz. …Here’s the reason why, none of it is race or gender. I do not like politicians who are overly religious and I do not like those who are on the take.
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You don’t like politicians who are on the take, but you’re ok with Christie, Fiorina, Kasich, Rubio and Carson? They all take campaign funds from donors who expect something in return.

[quote=temeculaguy]

So here we are, why not Hillary? My guess if it ended up Cruz vs Bernie nobody would accuse me of bias if I supported Bernie, which in that scenario I would. But it irritates me to my very soul that I get attacked because it’s Trump vs. Hillary. That is playing the woman card in the worst sense of card playing.
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Are you saying I’m attacking you? I guess that implying that there’s a possibility that you have a subconscious bias by asking you to ask yourself if you do have a subconscious bias could be considered an attack. But I wouldn’t call it that. And I certainly wouldn’t call it “playing the woman card.” You can call it what you want. What it really is, though, is me trying to find out why you (and millions of others) would vote for a dangerous lunatic when you have a flawed but reasonable alternative. I seek this information because I don’t like being baffled. And it truly baffles me that otherwise reasonable people would vote for Trump.

[quote=temeculaguy]

I didn’t hear that when I voted for Obama over her (to be honest I think it was a done deal by the time we voted in California but I still never heard it in earlier contests because he is part black). It’s only an issue because Trump is a white guy and that irritates me beyond belief.
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It’s only an issue because Trump is a white guy? Where are you getting that from? Obama isn’t a lunatic. Maybe that’s why you didn’t hear it then.

[quote=temeculaguy]
The main reason I do not like her is the Clinton foundation and her personal wealth at what I believe is at the expense of the American people.
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What don’t you like about her foundation? She takes money from bad people? So do virtually all politicians. At least, with their foundation, she’s not spending it on her campaigns. Does it suck that she takes money from entities who expect something in return? Sure it does. But I don’t think it really differentiates her from other politicians.

Why do you think her personal wealth is at the expense of the American people?

[quote=temeculaguy]

10 million from the Saudis and soon after they get an arms sales deal. Money from China, from wall street. I’m okay with it on a certain level but she won’t own it, she chooses to shame others for similar actions. I’m okay with prostitutes, but I’m not okay if they criticize other prostitutes. That’s Hillary.
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Don’t all politicians do that? Don’t virtually all democrats shame republicans for taking money from big business, while most republicans shame democrats for taking money from unions and such?
[quote=temeculaguy]

Plus she’s a rotten role model for women, one of which I raised. Thankfully the one I raised is a Bernie fan and looks at Hillary like an alien from another planet when she hears the story of Hillary’s marriage.
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And Trump is a better role model for young men? An ignorant, racist, misogynist bully is a better role model for young men than a woman who stuck by a philanderer is for young women? Why does she have to be a good role model but Trump doesn’t?

Why is her marriage any more of a factor than the marriages of Trump and all the other presidents and presidential candidates? It’s ok to cheat on your wife? It’s ok to dump women when they get too wrinkly and get a smoother model? But it’s not ok to put up with cheating? They’re both bad at marriage. As have been many presidents and candidates. Why is it only important in Hillary’s case?

[quote=temeculaguy]

I wish Bernie hadn’t waited until two days ago to bring up Hillary’s money and the Clinton foundation, then it would be Bernie vs. Trump and we would have some meaningful discussions. Or if it had been Kasich vs. bernie and I could feel everything would be okay. But it’s not, so it’s Trump or its one of the people I dislike the most, male or female and that’s why tomorrow, Trump gets my vote and he will not destroy the world and I’m optimistic that he will improve it. I believe Jack Nicholson said it in a Batman movie, “This town needs an enema.”
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Sure, the system needs a shakeup. But electing Trump president to shake things up is like inviting a bull to rearrange your china shop. Things will certainly be shaken up, but they won’t be better.

[quote=temeculaguy]

To confuse you more, I am pro abortion, pro moderate gun control (for assault weapons ban, against open carry), pro gay marriage, pro socialized medicine, anti-world police, pro wall at the border, pro better background checks for immigrants from muslim countries, anti sharia law, pro immigration from Mexico, pro deportation of violent or sexual offenders from any country, pro death penalty. I like France’s stance on the Hijab being banned in public schools, you can come here but leave that shit at the door, assimilate or get out. So you cannot put me into a box, I fit no party, I fit no stereotype. I have relatives that are of Arabic and African American decent, including a Muslim relative who I adore. I also think Black Lives Matters does more harm than good for African Americans because they usually defend the very people that prey on their own community. I especially think the anti-trump rioters and protesters are hurting their cause and are being entirely anti free speech. I was also on the other side of the border Saturday giving money to the Haitians, but I still want thorough background checks before they are let in. Charity and sympathy are good, but due diligence is also good. To quote an Arab saying “have trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.”
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If you think that confuses me, you haven’t been paying attention. While I disagree with some of your positions (particularly the wall: I think it’s impractical), I also disagree with many of the positions of the democrats and the republicans. I don’t fit any mold, and I don’t respect the mind of anybody who does. You’ll notice I’m not asking livinincali these questions. I’m asking you.

I’m not saying Hillary is great. I think she shares Obama’s biggest flaw, which has been an inability to stand up to Wall Street. Also, she’s think-skinned, secretive, and doesn’t really have a vision. I also think she’s brilliant, tough, and has tons of stamina. Add all that up, and I think you’d have a decent president, although she wouldn’t be my first choice. My point being, I understand why Hillary might be below other reasonable candidates on a person’s list. But I don’t understand why people hate her so venomously, and I don’t really understand why anybody reasonable would vote for Trump instead of her.

I think the questions I’ve asked are reasonable, legitimate questions, and I’m very curious to hear your answers. Because I do want to understand.

[joec]

[quote=temeculaguy]

LONG POST
In all honesty I didn’t start out in Trump’s camp…

…for entertainment purposes only, and of course because I found it amusing) .

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I think I agree with most of your points. I hate the 2 party system since we are “stuck” with these 2 candidates and there is really no (zero) chance for anyone else to run or win.

Our politics are purposely setup this way and this is actually why both Trump and Bernie ran as Republicans and Democrats to begin with.

As for voting for Trump, I think some people are doing it almost to tell the whole system a big ass F*CK you…

Some people want the whole political system to blow up and get something new, anything new and I think the Republicans are already messed up.

The whole idea that EVERY republican has to repeal ACA, be pro-life, etc etc…is just stupid.

This is why over 50% I think of people are now independent voters.

Both parties suck, but they are the only choices we can choose for.

As for Hillary, I can’t stand her too. Maybe the gut feeling, even before Trump started running or anything, I hated her already.

She just doesn’t seem genuine to me and the gut tells me (like nearly every politician), is just in it for herself…

Maybe that makes her no different, but that’s the point now right? We don’t want the same old politicians who have been always out for themselves…

As for her foundation, maybe she collects 100 million and spends 80 on good causes and pockets the other 20. Maybe they all do. Who knows, I don’t. I just can’t vote for her and I think others are in the same boat.

No wonder these two candidates are the most hated in US election history.

[temeculaguy]

ZK, I apologize if some of my musings and even some of my anger looked like they were directed at you, it was not. You are a reasonable person with a valid question. My observations were more general when I spoke of peoples reaction when voting against Hillary vs. Obama elicits a different accusation than when voting against her vs. Trump. It’s a double standard no matter how you feel about either Trump or Obama.

I guess my dislike for her isn’t just one thing. I don’t believe her when she speaks and i do not trust her. I think anyone who thinks the Clinton foundation is a wonderful charity that just helps people have drank too much kool-aid. In my opinion its an influence buying money laundering shell company that also does some nice things as a cover. When former mayor Filner solicited donations to his veterans charity in trade for developer variances it didn’t make it right. But at least he didn’t siphon off millions for personal reasons and paybacks to friends. This is from a random article I found, not from the clinton cash book. I looked up some of the people on the payroll mentioned and they are there, even on their wikipedia pages.

“Pals on the payroll
Unlike most charities, the Clinton Foundation doesn’t dole out grants — it uses its donations to pay a staff of 2,000 to carry out humanitarian work. More than a few of those well-paid employees are longtime Clinton friends, supporters, and operatives with deep roots in the couple’s political machine. Donna Shalala, who was Health and Human Services secretary under President Clinton, recently signed on as president and CEO. Chelsea Clinton now holds the title of foundation vice chair. Huma Abedin, one of Hillary Clinton’s top aides and wife of former New York congressman Anthony Weiner, is also on staff. Longtime adviser and confidant Sidney Blumenthal recently concluded four years on the payroll, drawing $10,000 a month to help with research and “message guidance.”

Good work aside, this is a scam. When you find out where the money came from, especially from foreign governments who later received favorable contract or rulings from the state department when she was secretary that makes me not trust her. Trump is not my ideal candidate and he says some stupid things and has no experience. I’d prefer that over what her experience brings. I think the server crap was just her fear of her quid pro quo scam being discovered.

Maybe I’m wrong and she is a saint and all of this is just haters trying to stop the greatest woman of my lifetime from fulfilling her destiny. Truth is, she will probably win, there are more democrats than republicans and Trump seems to enjoy throwing gasoline and lit matches on any positive relationships he makes with the republican establishment when he probably needs them.

This is why I hate politics. I hope I answered your question. I know all or most politicians take contributions from special interests who expect something in return, but I think she’s on another level altogether. I assure you I do not dislike her because she is a woman, if you’ve read any of my writings over the last decade I love women, especially those with a few extra curves on them, she’s in my wheelhouse and trumps entourage contains mostly those who are too skinny for my tastes despite their beauty . Sorry, I can’t help closing a diatribe any other way, that’s how I roll. (once again, misogynistic closing statement for entertainment purposes only and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the author, especially the Hillary in my wheelhouse part. Personality still trumps physical appearance even for a scoundrel like me.)

[phaster]

[quote=svelte][quote=phaster]
Sigh…where do I begin???
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I would begin by making your posts shorter, more succinct and to the point.
Instead of rambling manifestos on Phasters Theory On Everything.
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WRT OP (i.e. Reasons I cannot vote for Trump)

trump = dumbshit-narcissist

better?

[quote=svelte][quote=phaster]

so wondering if anyone else here knows that the region around California has a long history of drought(s) and that the period around the 1910’s – 1920’s (when the treaty of the colorado “river” compact was studied/signed) was an abnormally wet period (WRT the long term historical “climate” record)
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Yes and I have mentioned this to people often. They look at me like I’m from Mars and must be saying that because I’m an ultra-conservative looking to deny man-made global warming.

But what you say is exactly right – and the last 100 years have been abnormally wet, actually, so it makes sense that things are going to return to normal.

Finally – there is not water shortage. 71% of the earth’s surface is covered with water, for Christ’s sake. What is becoming more scarce is cheap access to potable water. We could take water from that ocean to our heart’s content – as long as we are willing to pay for desalinization.

http://piggington.com/ucsd_econ_roundtable#comment-267529
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NASA’s water expert: ‘Mad Max’ is a glimpse of our drought future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfhcUP0bWTk

http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2015/05/18/42896/nasa-s-water-expert-mad-max-is-a-glimpse-of-our-dr/

[zk]

[quote=temeculaguy]ZK, I apologize if some of my musings and even some of my anger looked like they were directed at you, it was not.[/quote]

An apology is totally unnecessary. If it looked like I thought you were angry at me, it’s only because I don’t write “tone” well.

I understand that you think Hillary takes quid pro quo to a whole new level. And you might be right. And I very much dislike that about her as well. I just don’t see that being such a massive factor that Trump, with his myriad gargantuan flaws, would be preferable.

[quote=temeculaguy]
Personality still trumps physical appearance even for a scoundrel like me.

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Amen, brother.

[mixxalot]

Only thing I like about Trump is how he is calling out the many crimes of Hitlery. Still, I cannot vote for any of them. All corrupt and dirty in one way or the other. I will probably file a protest vote in favor of Mickey Mouse as POTUS and Kermit the Frog or Miss Piggy as VP candidate.

[temeculaguy]

[quote=zk][quote=temeculaguy]ZK, I apologize if some of my musings and even some of my anger looked like they were directed at you, it was not.[/quote]

An apology is totally unnecessary. If it looked like I thought you were angry at me, it’s only because I don’t write “tone” well.

I understand that you think Hillary takes quid pro quo to a whole new level. And you might be right. And I very much dislike that about her as well. I just don’t see that being such a massive factor that Trump, with his myriad gargantuan flaws, would be preferable.

[quote=temeculaguy]
Personality still trumps physical appearance even for a scoundrel like me.

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Amen, brother.[/quote]

You know ZK, this is beneath both of us, this is you and I discussing who’s less shitty. This is two people picking Chevy Corvair vs. Ford Pinto. Basketball wives vs love and hip hop, or prostate biopsy vs colonoscopy.

Here’s the bright side, we’ve had some crappy presidents before and the checks and balances system we have mostly protects us from them. Your local government has more to do with your life than the federal government so we will be just fine. It’s only four years, it’s but a car payment and i have had some crappy cars and lived to tell the tale.

[FlyerInHi]

There are plenty of good cars that are commensurate with your budget. You have to be stubborn and/or emotional to buy a bad car. It’s like insisting on a performance or status car when your budget is family sedan or economy.

[zk]

[quote=temeculaguy]
Here’s the bright side, we’ve had some crappy presidents before and the checks and balances system we have mostly protects us from them. Your local government has more to do with your life than the federal government so we will be just fine. It’s only four years, it’s but a car payment and i have had some crappy cars and lived to tell the tale.[/quote]

Serious question regarding checks and balances, one I really don’t know anything about (even after reading the below link):

What could a really awful president do with executive orders? The bitching about Obama’s executive orders was just partisan b.s. The same with Bush’s. Those two and, as far as I know, all previous presidents have generally had some respect for the process of government. But what if there was a president who had no such respect? A president who considered his or her opinions and desires above the process? How much damage could he do? Any constitutional scholars here?

http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2014/01/what-are-executive-orders-what-are-their-limits.html

[livinincali]

[quote=zk]
Serious question regarding checks and balances, one I really don’t know anything about (even after reading the below link):

What could a really awful president do with executive orders? The bitching about Obama’s executive orders was just partisan b.s. The same with Bush’s. Those two and, as far as I know, all previous presidents have generally had some respect for the process of government. But what if there was a president who had no such respect? A president who considered his or her opinions and desires above the process? How much damage could he do? Any constitutional scholars here?

http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2014/01/what-are-executive-orders-what-are-their-limits.html%5B/quote%5D

There’s always impeachment. I guess at some point it really boils down to whom the military backs.

[FlyerInHi]

I loved Elizabeth Waren speech on Donald Trump.
A nasty thin-skinned “guy who inherited a fortune and kept it rolling along by cheating people”

The lawyers had some good laughs

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