Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

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Because Obama refuse to do what Republicans told him to do, they are left with no choice to burn its own party down. Donald Trump is Obama’s creation and its great triumph of his presidency. That will be the reasons that Republican voters cannot vote for Trump because it will give Obummer another victory.

See this amazing article from the Wall Street Journal below:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-greatest-triumph-1459379804

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Because Obama refuse to do what Republicans told him to do, they are left with no choice to burn its own party down. Donald Trump is Obama’s creation and its great triumph of his presidency.
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lol! Obama gets the blame for everything! 🙂

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See this amazing article from the Wall Street Journal below:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-greatest-triumph-1459379804%5B/quote%5D

You do realize one must have a WSJ account to view the article, right? I doubt many folks will be viewing the content referenced by your link.

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Because Obama refuse to do what Republicans told him to do, they are left with no choice to burn its own party down. Donald Trump is Obama’s creation and its great triumph of his presidency.
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lol! Obama gets the blame for everything! 🙂

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See this amazing article from the Wall Street Journal below:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-greatest-triumph-1459379804%5B/quote%5D

You do realize one must have a WSJ account to view the article, right? I doubt many folks will be viewing the content referenced by your link.[/quote]

I will think the Piggs will be smart enough to realize that if you google “Obama’s greatest triump” and you can click the link from the search and view the article for free.

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Because Obama refuse to do what Republicans told him to do, they are left with no choice to burn its own party down. Donald Trump is Obama’s creation and its great triumph of his presidency.
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lol! Obama gets the blame for everything! 🙂

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See this amazing article from the Wall Street Journal below:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-greatest-triumph-1459379804%5B/quote%5D

You do realize one must have a WSJ account to view the article, right? I doubt many folks will be viewing the content referenced by your link.[/quote]

I will think the Piggs will be smart enough to realize that if you google “Obama’s greatest triump” and you can click the link from the search and view the article for free.[/quote]

Wow, that’s idiotic, WSJ. Block a direct link but allow non-members in through Google. Brilliant.

That article said virtually nothing to support its claim that Obama destroyed the Republican party. A waste of ether space. It is hilarious that some Republicans blame Obama even for their own actions!! My God, talk about not taking responsibility for anything!

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Because Obama refuse to do what Republicans told him to do, they are left with no choice to burn its own party down. Donald Trump is Obama’s creation and its great triumph of his presidency.
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lol! Obama gets the blame for everything! 🙂

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See this amazing article from the Wall Street Journal below:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-greatest-triumph-1459379804%5B/quote%5D

You do realize one must have a WSJ account to view the article, right? I doubt many folks will be viewing the content referenced by your link.[/quote]

I will think the Piggs will be smart enough to realize that if you google “Obama’s greatest triump” and you can click the link from the search and view the article for free.[/quote]

Wow, that’s idiotic, WSJ. Block a direct link but allow non-members in through Google. Brilliant.

That article said virtually nothing to support its claim that Obama destroyed the Republican party. A waste of ether space. It is hilarious that some Republicans blame Obama even for their own actions!! My God, talk about not taking responsibility for anything![/quote]

Definitely doesn’t work as a defense in domestic violence case. “I wouldn’t have had to slap the bitch if she would just do what I told her” won’t help.

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lol scaredy.

Now, the NYT article the WSJ points to, that is excellent:

It explains Trump’s rise. A very good article. Now I understand for the first time why rank and file Republicans are flocking to Trump.

I’ve always wondered how the Republican party coalition of the rich, the lower middle class whites, and the ultra religious could work. It sounds like Trump explains that: it doesn’t. The lower middle class whites feel alienated by the Republicans and are redefining the party right in front of our eyes.

[FlyerInHi]

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Definitely doesn’t work as a defense in domestic violence case. “I wouldn’t have had to slap the bitch if she would just do what I told her” won’t help.[/quote]

Bitchslap is verb I learned from a friend who uses the vernacular very freely. It’s very descriptive in some contexts.

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[quote=svelte]lol scaredy.

Now, the NYT article the WSJ points to, that is excellent:

It explains Trump’s rise. A very good article. Now I understand for the first time why rank and file Republicans are flocking to Trump.

I’ve always wondered how the Republican party coalition of the rich, the lower middle class whites, and the ultra religious could work. It sounds like Trump explains that: it doesn’t. The lower middle class whites feel alienated by the Republicans and are redefining the party right in front of our eyes.[/quote]

It might not work the way Republican party elites will like it to work, I will like to remind you since Obummer took office, Republican have won 14 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governorships, and 910 state legislature seats. If this is a failed strategy for a political party, show me a successful strategy.

[FlyerInHi]

Utcsox, republicans win local elections while losing the popular vote due to gerrymandering of districts.

Playing to subliminal racism against a black president is not a successful long term strategy. Before you say i’m playing the race card, fhere is plenty of writing on this subject. David Brooks said as much.

Donald Trump is only airing the Republican dirty laundry for the world to see. One of my conspiracy theorist right wing acquaintance even said that Trump is in collusion with Hillary to destroy the Republican Party.

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It might not work the way Republican party elites will like it to work, I will like to remind you since Obummer took office, Republican have won 14 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governorships, and 910 state legislature seats. If this is a failed strategy for a political party, show me a successful strategy.[/quote]

Not unusual that the party that loses the Presidential election picks up seats in the next cycles – it has worked that way often.

But they are doing mind-numbingly dumb things.

Let’s look at Oklahoma. Republican governor, Senate and House. Running a $1.3B deficit for the next fiscal year. That’s $420 for each man, woman and child in the state.

The starting pay for teachers is $31,600 in Oklahoma and they have a shortage that caused 850 classrooms to go unstaffed due to teacher shortage (I wonder why?). What is the Republican’s answer to all of this? SB1187 which eliminates the requirement for teachers to be certified and for districts to participate in the teacher retirement construct or do background checks on teachers. This bill will likely pass the Republican house and be signed by the Republican governor. Yessirree Bob, they have a crack leadership team in OK!

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It might not work the way Republican party elites will like it to work, I will like to remind you since Obummer took office, Republican have won 14 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governorships, and 910 state legislature seats. If this is a failed strategy for a political party, show me a successful strategy.[/quote]

Not unusual that the party that loses the Presidential election picks up seats in the next cycles – it has worked that way often.

But they are doing mind-numbingly dumb things.

Let’s look at Oklahoma. Republican governor, Senate and House. Running a $1.3B deficit for the next fiscal year. That’s $420 for each man, woman and child in the state.

The starting pay for teachers is $31,600 in Oklahoma and they have a shortage that caused 850 classrooms to go unstaffed due to teacher shortage (I wonder why?). What is the Republican’s answer to all of this? SB1187 which eliminates the requirement for teachers to be certified and for districts to participate in the teacher retirement construct or do background checks on teachers. This bill will likely pass the Republican house and be signed by the Republican governor. Yessirree Bob, they have a crack leadership team in OK![/quote]svelte, I know a little bit about OK and can competently surmise where their general fund has gone over the past ~20 years. After the passage of the ACA, OK’s legislature did not agree to providing expanded Medicaid because they could not afford it and rightly so. OK already had/has a LARGE percentage of their population on Medicaid who not only have a very low income but are “asset-poor” enough to qualify for the program under the old (pre-ACA) guidelines.

In addition, OK has several hundred thousand residents eligible to enroll in Indian Health Services. The presence of Indian tribes in OK don’t cost the state anything but instead create new infrastructure (roads and water/sewer pipelines, etc) and thousands of living-wage jobs within the state.

http://www.500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp

As of July 2015, OK’s population was estimated to be 3,911,338:

http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/40

Out of that nearly 4M residents, 819,194 OK residents (or nearly 21% of their population) was on Medicaid in May 2015 in the absence of expanded Medicaid:

https://www.healthinsurance.org/oklahoma-medicaid/

…Medicaid is a program that is not solely funded at the federal level. States provide up to half of the funding for the Medicaid program. In some states, counties also contribute funds. Unlike the Medicare entitlement program, Medicaid is a means-tested, needs-based social welfare or social protection program rather than a social insurance program. Eligibility is determined largely by income. The main criterion for Medicaid eligibility is limited income and financial resources, a criterion which plays no role in determining Medicare coverage. Medicaid covers a wider range of health care services than Medicare. Some people are eligible for both Medicaid and Medicare and are known as Medicare dual eligibles. In 2001, about 6.5 million Americans were enrolled in both Medicare and Medicaid. In 2013, approximately 9 million people qualified for Medicare and Medicaid…

(emphasis mine)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

Of course, since the inception of the ACA, many more millions of US residents are now on Medicaid due to Medicaid expansion in 30 states, as of 1/1/16.

Find Medicaid coverage in your state

IMO, the high rate of poverty is OK is due to the dearth of jobs in all but its two most populous cities, OKC and Tulsa. Another (expensive) public health issue it has is entirely due to SoCal ridding itself of their crystal meth scourge (primarily inland empire and East SD County) in the years before 2000 utilizing specialized teams comprised of multiple law enforcement agencies (city, county and Federal) working together. When these clean sweeps were made, these dozens of small-time mfrs were convicted and did their time in CA prisons. Upon release, nearly ALL fled to OK, AR and MO (heavily wooded in parts and much further from the int’l border and heavy police presence) to continue to ply their trade where they left off in SoCal back in ’97/98 :=0

OK did not and does not have enough available law enforcement ranks to deal with this problem effectively. The meth scourge has caused untold physical and mental damage to its (mostly rural) population as well as polluted several of its many beautiful lakes, rivers and streams. There are not enough water compliance people or even Nat’l park people employed there to keep up with the daily water quality in its recreational areas with vast lakes. At least a half-dozen (out of 38) of OK’s most prosperous Indian tribes have been stepping in to fund treatment for meth addiction in recent years, even extending services to non-tribal members (in addition to offering treatment for gambling addiction to OK residents). And of course, they’ve also been trying mightily to heavily educate their members on diabetes prevention and mgmt and enroll them in (paid for) smoking cessation programs.

Without the presence of OK’s tribes operating their own clinics and hospitals, I believe that at least 40% of its residents would qualify for Medicaid today under the old (pre-ACA) rules. I don’t blame OK’s governor OR its legislature for not expanding Medicaid. As we all now know, “Expanded Medi-Cal,” the poster child of the nation for unmitigated idiocy, has turned into very expensive “experiment” with a dearth of providers to serve what is now over 12M CA residents on the program, most of whom don’t want to be there and don’t know what they’re doing there. It’s truly a disaster for CA and should be scrapped, pronto.

I actually checked into this myself and found that there are actually very few “obamacare” providers in OK (especially primary care providers), relative to the 145,329 OK residents who signed up for it and are paying premiums. That’s only 3.7% of its population but many OK providers apparently don’t want to participate in it, undoubtedly causing a lot of OK residents to just forgo insurance and pay the penalty on their low incomes (if they aren’t eligible to access Indian Health).

https://www.healthinsurance.org/oklahoma-state-health-insurance-exchange/

In addition, the OK state treasurer likely did not collect as much tax as it usually does from Big Oil in the past year due to production being down.

IN short, OK has its hands full with a large portion of its uninsured and underinsured in poor health and many needing (or about to need) long-term care. Thank G@d for its many tribes and charitable organizations picking up the slack. It’s as is should be. OK and AR had/have some very peaceful, bucolic areas to camp, boat, fish and ski in and it has been heartbreaking to me to see the after-effects of the “meth scourge” in this region.

[FlyerInHi]

Meth scourge in conservative country? Gasp!
I guess wholesome upbringing/education was for naught. They themselves would say the results are for their failure to properly teach their kids. Maybe some screwed up culture….

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It might not work the way Republican party elites will like it to work, I will like to remind you since Obummer took office, Republican have won 14 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governorships, and 910 state legislature seats. If this is a failed strategy for a political party, show me a successful strategy.[/quote]

Not unusual that the party that loses the Presidential election picks up seats in the next cycles – it has worked that way often.

But they are doing mind-numbingly dumb things.

Let’s look at Oklahoma. Republican governor, Senate and House. Running a $1.3B deficit for the next fiscal year. That’s $420 for each man, woman and child in the state.

The starting pay for teachers is $31,600 in Oklahoma and they have a shortage that caused 850 classrooms to go unstaffed due to teacher shortage (I wonder why?). What is the Republican’s answer to all of this? SB1187 which eliminates the requirement for teachers to be certified and for districts to participate in the teacher retirement construct or do background checks on teachers. This bill will likely pass the Republican house and be signed by the Republican governor. Yessirree Bob, they have a crack leadership team in OK![/quote]

It is “unusual” to claim Republican strategy is a failure when it has control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 2002. In addition, it achieve its largest majority in the house since 1929. So, let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Republican party are doing “mind-numingly dumb things”, they know exactly what they are doing. And most importantly, they are winning and winning yuuuuuuge.

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It is “unusual” to claim Republican strategy is a failure when it has control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 2002. In addition, it achieve its largest majority in the house since 1929. So, let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Republican party are doing “mind-numingly dumb things”, they know exactly what they are doing. And most importantly, they are winning and winning yuuuuuuge.[/quote]

I noticed you failed to address SB1187 at all while refuting they are doing dumb things.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Meth scourge in conservative country? Gasp!
I guess wholesome upbringing/education was for naught. They themselves would say the results are for their failure to properly teach their kids. Maybe some screwed up culture….[/quote]That “screwed up culture” was homegrown right here in SD County, FIH. A lot of these OK rural families have both parents working far away from home as well as running a farm, which is a 12-14 hr per day job. This no doubt left their “susceptible” kids swinging in the wind after school.

SD’s kids (and adults) who fell prey to our local “meth scourge” initially started out with a “wholesome upbringing/education” as well … that is …. until they didn’t. Much like heroin, all it takes is once or twice to become forever addicted. Like heroin, meth addiction is a very ugly and debilitating disease which is extremely hard to kick. In addition, the physical and mental after-effects of meth addiction are horrible …. and can re-occur decades after getting clean. I know cuz I was working in the “system” when all this went down out in the east county. I remember all of it like it was yesterday.

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