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March 15, 2016 at 4:17 PM #795767March 15, 2016 at 4:39 PM #795770
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Races in Wichita, KS (2013)
Wichita races chart242,739– 62.8%White alone
63,684– 16.5%Hispanic
44,813– 11.6%Black alone
19,016– 4.9%Asian alone
13,955– 3.6%Two or more races
1,780– 0.5%American Indian alone
571– 0.1%Other race aloneRead more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Wichita-Kansas.html#ixzz4319hOYXt
March 15, 2016 at 4:42 PM #795769Participant[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]
The incident in your link happened at a gas station in KS, NOT at a Trump rally.[/quote]I’m not going to bother reading past this first sentence. You’re just going to deny and give a whole bunch of irrelevant words to defend your denial. So, whatever. I’m done w/ this “debate”. Enjoy your Kool-Aid.[/quote]You’re the one drinking the kool-aid, AN. You have no reason to be “scared” if Trump should get elected President. You’re letting yourself get sucked into the drama that the MSM is creating for the masses to “chew on” and pass around. Who knows? Maybe the “Grand Olde Party” is behind it all, somehow …. LOL.Having seen a LOT of “down and dirty tricks” in my day, I wouldn’t be the least surprised if this were the case.
March 15, 2016 at 5:51 PM #795773joec
Participant[quote=AN]Also, the article said:
[quote]The wealth gap between older and younger Asians is an anomaly, said Haskin. Wealth normally functions the other way around—the older population have higher levels of wealth, for various reasons. Among Asians, however, it is the younger population who are wealthier.[/quote]
It’s only an anomaly if you compare it to other culture. It’s not an anomaly if you understand the Asian culture. It would be an anomaly the other way around. I know many first gen immigrants who came here w/ nothing, worked hard, save as much as they could, and pay for their kids college tuition. So, today, their kids are wealthier than they are, because instead of thinking about “me” and save for “me” first, they plow every dollar they have to ensure their kids will be successful. That’s the Asian culture. Part of the Asian culture is also, once the kids are successful, they will repay their parents and help take care of them when they’re old because they know that they wouldn’t be where they are today if their parents didn’t sacrifice everything for them.[/quote]
This is also why for some Asian folks, it’s also hard to understand some of the white upbringing and culture…since they don’t see it and don’t know how hard it is for some folks having to go it alone.
I know my white roommate in college had to pay all his own way, he pretty much was kicked out at 18 and had to go it alone with tuition, spending money, jobs, housing, etc…hard to feel grateful and helpful to others and they will have a much harder time to succeed when the Asian guy has family help (pretty much EVERYONE I knew) in the bay area had family help to buy their home…Not having to pay off loans, housing downpayment, get free rental properties (have some in the family with this), makes all the financial aspects of life far easier.
Asians succeed because their whole family network/structure and support system is far better than most other people.
You have Asians who may live a few families in a house so they can all save money and eventually all buy a place. Siblings covering each other and watching each other’s kids, etc…
A lot of the lower income folks come from broken homes with no dad or mom, drugs, tons of kids…etc…it’s their own fault and
As for the wall and Trump, I don’t think I support it at all since I don’t think it’ll work or will be paid for by Mexico. I’m more for cutting benefits to illegals and cutting all benefits since it shouldn’t be everyone elses responsibility to pay for them if a lot of people here aren’t even doing that well.
I should also read up on how every other country with top rated healthcare does it since I don’t think this whole Trump and insurance competing will work. If you wanted to be profitable, most insurance companies will just dump all women and pregnant folks.
I assume the healthcare industry will be destroyed
actually in it’s current form if we do what other countries do since a lot of research is probably done in the US and other countries benefit for it (and have laws to prevent gouging) which we don’t have here. I would like to see some go under personally (Blue Cross/Shield)…March 15, 2016 at 8:55 PM #795784ltsddd
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I should also read up on how every other country with top rated healthcare does it since I don’t think this whole Trump and insurance competing will work. If you wanted to be profitable, most insurance companies will just dump all women and pregnant folks.I assume the healthcare industry will be destroyed
actually in it’s current form if we do what other countries do since a lot of research is probably done in the US and other countries benefit for it (and have laws to prevent gouging) which we don’t have here. I would like to see some go under personally (Blue Cross/Shield)…[/quote]Start with the salaries of the physicians. I can live with the high salaries for specialists. It’s the general physicians that I have issue with. Experience nurses and nurse practitioners can do exactly the same tasks, and just as well, as a gp do at a much lower cost.
According to this website, gp in the US makes close to 60% more than their counterparts in the U.K.
March 15, 2016 at 11:29 PM #795794paramount
Participant[quote=flu][quote=paramount][quote=flu]
Some racist americans are sick and tired of seeing whites doing better than them and need socialism to reign whites through laws that deliberately slows them down or turn them away.
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Currently no group in this country is more discrimanted against than white men.[/quote]
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Are you playing the victim card now, that you accuse many
minorities of playing? Last time I checked, most fortune 500 counties still have a “white man” sitting in the CEO seat.A simple question. True or false?
We can go on, but there’s no point in arguing with someone that already made up their mind and will see what they want to see.
That’s the sad part. People actually believe “white people” are massively being discriminated against. Wow, just wow. America has sunk to an all time low.
Must be a Temecula thing :([/quote]
Your a loser flu – you think way too highly of yourself.
Just because you live in San Diego – believe me – I could live in San Diego if I wanted to, but most of San Diego is a dump compared to Temecula. Sorry – that’s just the way it is.
Ok, just kidding – you just got Trumped!!
Now my real response: holding up 500 CEO’s as a defense against institutional racism of white males is truly ridiculous.
You’re talking 0.000001% of the population. 500 CEO’s is not even statistically significant. It’s a pittance.
And I did not say white people – I said white males.
Sorry, but it’s reality.
‘Last Acceptable Form Of Discrimination’ Is Of White Men
March 15, 2016 at 11:56 PM #795795njtosd
Participant[quote=AN][quote=njtosd]Flu – Asians are projected to become the wealthiest group in the US in coming years. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/15/mericans-are-transforming-the-face-of-us-wealth.html
When they do, will that mean that discrimination against Asians has stopped?[/quote]
Success of a race on average and discrimination against a race are two separate thing. Just because Asian found ways to work around the discrimination, persevere through the discrimination, and achieve financial success does not mean they’re not being discriminated against. It just mean as a group, Asian don’t spend as much energy bitching about it as working with the landscape that’s in front of them, even when there’s discrimination.[/quote]Flu contended that white men weren’t being discriminated against because they are doing so well in corporate America. I think groups can be both discriminated against and successful – which was the point I was making.
March 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM #795796an
Participant[quote=njtosd]Flu contended that white men weren’t being discriminated against because they are doing so well in corporate America. I think groups can be both discriminated against and successful – which was the point I was making.[/quote]I’m sure there are pocket discrimination. But as a whole, do you have data to back your claim that white men are being discriminated against? When, where, how, by who?
March 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM #795798
CoronitaParticipant[quote=njtosd][quote=AN][quote=njtosd]Flu – Asians are projected to become the wealthiest group in the US in coming years. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/15/mericans-are-transforming-the-face-of-us-wealth.html
When they do, will that mean that discrimination against Asians has stopped?[/quote]
Success of a race on average and discrimination against a race are two separate thing. Just because Asian found ways to work around the discrimination, persevere through the discrimination, and achieve financial success does not mean they’re not being discriminated against. It just mean as a group, Asian don’t spend as much energy bitching about it as working with the landscape that’s in front of them, even when there’s discrimination.[/quote]Flu contended that white men weren’t being discriminated against because they are doing so well in corporate America. I think groups can be both discriminated against and successful – which was the point I was making.[/quote]
I didn’t say that it doesn’t happen. It doesn’t happen to the scale that people bitch about. Take Paramount for example. He (use to?) works for an aerospace company in RB, same one that some of my colleagues use to work there too.
Why on earth would he feel like he’s discriminated against when
1) There’s no H1-B in his company, since most of the work requires a security clearance
2) There’s barely any asians at his company too, and virtually none in management (I’ve checked)
3) Barely any other minorities over there (I’ve checked in the past)Granted it went through tough times because of other reasons (consolidation of operations that led to a few folks I know moving to Maryland and Virginia) and it’s dysfunctional in the past for many reasons, but specifically what is this sort of “discrimination” he personally experience?
He’s working in the industry that has the greatest barrier to entry because due to the need for a security clearance, so that eliminates all “illegals” and all “immigrants” from a direct threat to so called job security, and since getting a security clearances takes a long time these days, it’s even a pretty big “wall” for people with U.S. citizenship. So what job threat from illegals/H1-B’s/immigrants has he or is he specifically experiencing, which is the #1 complaint among Trump worshippers. And yet, I still hear him claim he was discriminated against? So I’m curious, what specific incidence(s) of discrimination?
I suspect none specifically, it’s just he’s been listening too much to what others spew, what Trump spews, and adopted the same rhetoric as if he personally has experienced it himself.
March 16, 2016 at 4:53 AM #795797CoronitaParticipant[quote=paramount]
Your a loser flu – you think way too highly of yourself.
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Just because you live in San Diego – believe me – I could live in San Diego if I wanted to, but most of San Diego is a dump compared to Temecula. Sorry – that’s just the way it is.Ok, just kidding – you just got Trumped!!
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Did you suddenly come out of the closet or something now that you feel “empowered” to be from partially entertaining to full on asshole? The only reason why I still even bothered to respond to you was personally I didn’t think you were as a full on dick as other people already mentioned you were.
I’m actually really disappointed here to be honest. Sad actually Paramount. Because you’ve been on this board and I’ve been on this board for a long time. And unlike others, I actually kind of liked you in your own weird/quirky way. Reading half of your shit now, it kind of makes me sad because tonight, I sort of feel like I lost a friend, that you changed. And I sort of knew that was going to happen to someone that I talked to or even knew with this sort of caustic environment we are in.
People like you scare the shit out of me. Because, last year if you were my neighbor, we probably would have gotten along just fine, maybe even friends (at least from my side). Today, with this environment, you’d probably one of the people that would call me in and have be deported if you could. And your kid probably would me one in the school that goes to my kid and would start taunting “when Trump is president, you’re going to get deported” because they’ll probably overhear you saying it., despite the fact that I was born here, educated here, and pay the same taxes (probably even more so than you).
At least that’s what it feels like and the message you apparently seem to enjoy leaving. This isn’t about just politics, or betwen left versus right. And It’s not that I’m afraid of being deported juat because people like you are mad. People like you scare me because it makes me think who really can you trust and who else really is two faced that’s only conveniently civilized because the institutions and rules requires them to be, not because you do so because it’s the right thing to do. Were you always a hater, or were you recently institutionalized hater? And it makes me sad to wonder who else is out there that I know that is going to emerge from their closet over the next few months, years. That’s the part that I find disappointing, on a personal note, politics aside, because it changes the entire dynamics of how I view people and interact with people and want to get alone with other people. In the long run, no one really wins. I don’t, you don’t, my kids don’t, neither does yours. Everyone ends up putting walls up, excluding each other, everything ends up fvcked up.
So, yeah, I hope you are happy. And with your new found empowerment, I sure you will be able to find people that you can relate a whole lot better to, I’m sure there will many of them that come out of the closet too. mission accomplished! You’ve won. Congrats. We’re done here.
March 16, 2016 at 6:02 AM #795799flyer
ParticipantAlthough I haven’t experienced what is being discussed here (discrimination against minorities, or whites, families who don’t empower and support their own, jealously of others who are perceived to be more successful, etc., etc.) I still find it really sad to see so much metastatic anger tearing our country–and people–apart–especially since there doesn’t seem to be any clear solution in sight.
Hopefully, people will somehow find a way to come together and work things out before they waste their short lives in misery.
March 16, 2016 at 9:46 AM #795805no_such_reality
ParticipantIn my personal experience, Trump’s on podium personality is pretty representative of the C-level in business when they drop their PR mask. Bigger companies have a modicum of veneer, but small business lacks even that.
While Fortune 500 C-level is predominantly white and male and individuals may have some racism, I think the issue is they are really more cliquish than racist. best case you get group think, worst case, you’ve got the equivalent of a drunken Frat if you’re lucky and a street gang if you’re not.
The problem isn’t race, the problem is they pick people like them, think like them, behave like them, do sh*t like them and tells stories like them.
It’s the same shitty bar, white, black, latino, asian, male or female.
That’s IMO, YMMV.
March 16, 2016 at 12:39 PM #795813Participant[quote=paramount] . . . And I did not say white people – I said white males.
Sorry, but it’s reality.
‘Last Acceptable Form Of Discrimination’ Is Of White Men[/quote]I agree with these statements with some caveats. “white males should be changed to “nativist” males AND females (primarily white, black, Native American and mixtures of all of the above who were born in the US and whose parents were born in the US). “Nativist” could probably also include “Chicanos” who emigrated to the US before 1965 (at least two generations ago and very prevalent in TX, NM and CO). Many families today headed by a “Chicano” who emigrated to the US more than 50 years ago are mostly mixed with other nationalities of “Caucasian.”
The reason so many qualified people in the above groups are unemployed today is due to massive immigration from all over the world into the US since the mid-70’s and also the H1-b program. Were it not for Federal polices allowing all these groups to emigrate to the US en masse and even eventually become US citizens, the unemployment in the “nativist” sectors wouldn’t be double digit like it is in most US locales.
I’m not saying that all of the immigration allowed into the US was bad … I’m just saying that full employment for the “nativist sector” of the US population has dropped significantly in the past 20 years due to massive immigration into the country.
As such, I feel that the US didn’t need to approve most of the H1b workers they did to take coveted jobs because we already had enough qualified people to do these jobs who were born here and educated here. I agree that some medical specialties (physicians, ESP if educated in the US) ARE needed here because there haven’t been enough Americans majoring in these specialties in recent decades and the “good physician stock” in the US is aging rapidly. But that’s the extent of the H1b visas the US should be issuing, IMO. Other countries reserve their best jobs for their own natives and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s as it should be.
March 16, 2016 at 12:58 PM #795814Participant[quote=no_such_reality]In my personal experience, Trump’s on podium personality is pretty representative of the C-level in business when they drop their PR mask. Bigger companies have a modicum of veneer, but small business lacks even that.
While Fortune 500 C-level is predominantly white and male and individuals may have some racism, I think the issue is they are really more cliquish than racist. best case you get group think, worst case, you’ve got the equivalent of a drunken Frat if you’re lucky and a street gang if you’re not.
The problem isn’t race, the problem is they pick people like them, think like them, behave like them, do sh*t like them and tells stories like them.
It’s the same shitty bar, white, black, latino, asian, male or female.
That’s IMO, YMMV.[/quote]Good post, NSR. And I’d like to add that Donald Trump was raised in Jamaica (Queens), NY. One of the first “real jobs” his father gave him was “managing” his many multi-story, brick behemoth, low-income rent-controlled apt buildings in Queens and Brooklyn (this was prior to the “Section 8” progam). He had to deal with this crowd as well as late rent-payers and even evictions. Even though Trump grew up in privilege and was sent to a military boarding school for HS, he has had plenty of experience in his life successfully interacting with Joe and Suzy 6p and that’s why he understands them so well.
Even though his family had summer homes and weekend homes elsewhere, Trump was raised in the gritty city (Jamaica, NY), which was not exactly considered upper-class (or even upper MC in parts) at that time but was undoubtedly “convenient” for the family biz :=0
March 16, 2016 at 1:29 PM #795815outtamojo
ParticipantThis is just sickening :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/16/donald-trump-just-threatened-more-violence-only-this-time-its-directed-at-the-gop/Have we learned nothing about despots and dictators?
Plunge the country into chaos and protest with inflammatory policies, declare martial law, then there goes the Constitution we wear on our sleeves.
If the GOP had any guts at all they would expel him from the party. He could still run as an independent to represent his nut job supporters. -
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