“INVESTORS” who haven’t learned their lessons?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=davelj][quote=FormerSanDiegan][quote=peterb]As sticky as rents can be, if this economy continues to contract at its present rate, there will be increased vacancies and downward pressure on rents. [/quote]

If the economy continues to contract at its present rate, our GDP will go to zero by 2025.

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Actually, if you keep compounding it you’ll find that it never reaches zero. Just a mathematical observation.

Which reminds me of a friend of mine who got divorced for the third time several years back. Each time, he lost half of his substantial net worth. “The upside,” he told me, “is that if I keep dividing by two, I still won’t get to zero.”[/quote]

I assumed a contraction of X dollars per year.

I just wanted to imply that projecting a continuation of current conditions at the same rate is the same error made by those who purchased real estate at the peak.

[peterb]

It doesnt have to go on forever to be devistating. But, I think you probably know that. Another 6 months ought to do it. But it will probably go further. Climbing debt defaults and unemployment. Check historical records for what this does to an economy.
And if you really want to challenge yourself, try to discover where the new job growth will be to create an economic recovery.

[peterb]

It doesnt have to go on forever to be devistating. But, I think you probably know that. Another 6 months ought to do it. But it will probably go further. Climbing debt defaults and unemployment. Check historical records for what this does to an economy.
And if you really want to challenge yourself, try to discover where the new job growth will be to create an economic recovery.

[peterb]

It doesnt have to go on forever to be devistating. But, I think you probably know that. Another 6 months ought to do it. But it will probably go further. Climbing debt defaults and unemployment. Check historical records for what this does to an economy.
And if you really want to challenge yourself, try to discover where the new job growth will be to create an economic recovery.

[peterb]

It doesnt have to go on forever to be devistating. But, I think you probably know that. Another 6 months ought to do it. But it will probably go further. Climbing debt defaults and unemployment. Check historical records for what this does to an economy.
And if you really want to challenge yourself, try to discover where the new job growth will be to create an economic recovery.

[peterb]

It doesnt have to go on forever to be devistating. But, I think you probably know that. Another 6 months ought to do it. But it will probably go further. Climbing debt defaults and unemployment. Check historical records for what this does to an economy.
And if you really want to challenge yourself, try to discover where the new job growth will be to create an economic recovery.

[carlsbadworker]

I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.

[carlsbadworker]

I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.

[carlsbadworker]

I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.

[carlsbadworker]

I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.

[carlsbadworker]

I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=carlsbadworker]I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.[/quote]

I have a simple theory. Homes are much more affordable than they have been in a long time.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=carlsbadworker]I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.[/quote]

I have a simple theory. Homes are much more affordable than they have been in a long time.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=carlsbadworker]I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.[/quote]

I have a simple theory. Homes are much more affordable than they have been in a long time.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=carlsbadworker]I think TG brought up a good point. As I remember for the survey “where you are here”, many of you claim that you are here to learn. I enjoy learning and the best method that I have found is to come up with a theory (or accept an existing theory), set out expectation based on such theory and then constantly check the reality with the expectation and modify the theory accordly.
So what do we have here? We have a decrease of inventory that was completely out of our expectation if we ask any of you to guess a year ago? So what could be the cause? It could be a decrease of the REO entering the market or it could be an increase of the sale activity. We have both. The decrease of the REO could be explained by the government activity, etc, whatever new theory we are coming up with. I think that is quite satisfactory since the NOD is increasing as we expected. But what about the increase of the sale? SoCal has over 50% yoy sale increase right now. In the middle of recession, and the equity market although recovering is still far below its recent high, it is a little bit surprise that the activity is rising so fast instead of dropping right now(note: that it is yoy increase so it should take care of the Spring buying season theory). I don’t have the answer, but maybe someone can come up with a theory to explain that…and then we will be closer to the truth, rather than just keeping insisting that the world is going to end like many of R.T.66’s post. His/her post is entertaining, but I don’t learn anything new from reading his/her post, because that theory was thrown at us years ago, wasn’t it?

One last note: it is very easy to dismiss the data that you don’t like to see. Some of it can be statistical abnormalty. It takes a lot of work to get through the data to dismiss theory though…as Rich has shown through his excellent analysis of the “rent bubble” theory.[/quote]

I have a simple theory. Homes are much more affordable than they have been in a long time.

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