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September 13, 2011 at 9:15 AM #19126September 13, 2011 at 9:46 AM #728919NotCrankyParticipant
Very interesting post,Flu.
September 13, 2011 at 10:04 AM #728921FearfulParticipantOne point from the article: There is a measure of the “hourglassness” or income inequality cited in the article. The U.S. is quoted as having reached banana republic or third world levels of income inequality. Sad.
September 13, 2011 at 10:37 AM #728923The-ShovelerParticipanthmmm well I can tell you I know a lot of people making well over 100K who shop at 99 Cent only stores,
Cheap cheap cheap.
September 13, 2011 at 10:39 AM #728924The-ShovelerParticipantI bet if they open a 99 cent store in CV it would be the busiest store in CV.
September 13, 2011 at 10:40 AM #728925blahblahblahParticipant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]hmmm well I can tell you I know a lot of people making well over 100K who shop at 99 Cent only stores,
Cheap cheap cheap.[/quote]
$100K is the new $50K.
$200K is the new $100K.
September 13, 2011 at 10:57 AM #728927HuckleberryParticipantAgreed. Obama (and cronies) are setting the new “higher taxation threshold” at $200K for single filers, meaning if you make less than that you are considered middle to low income.
At $200K ($250K married) and above you can consider yourself as just squeezing into the lowest tier of the high income group.
September 13, 2011 at 11:08 AM #728928The-ShovelerParticipantI should open a 99 cent store in la jolla,
I bet it would be packed.
Still 100K is above the 25% mark.
September 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM #728931NotCrankyParticipant“Upper lower class” has a nice ring to it. The upper lower class market; .99 cent stores that don’t yet accept EBT.
September 13, 2011 at 11:52 AM #728933bearishgurlParticipant[quote=Huckleberry]Agreed. Obama (and cronies) are setting the new “higher taxation threshold” at $200K for single filers, meaning if you make less than that you are considered middle to low income.
At $200K ($250K married) and above you can consider yourself as just squeezing into the lowest tier of the high income group.[/quote]
As it should be. I’ve always considered these figures to be about right (as to identifying lower MC/MC/upper MC).
The reasons we’ve seen so many HH’s with $100K – $200K annual income in recent years live like they’re making $300K to $500K yr is due to loose credit and living off “manufactured home equity” that has since dissipated into thin air (a byproduct of “loose credit”).
If the $100K – $200K HH income group are deriving all their income from W-2 wages and are supporting 2+ children, they’re likely just eeking by in SD County, often due to the housing choices they made. In less-expensive housing markets of the country, most of these families are actually able to save for college and retirement.
September 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM #728959briansd1GuestThe term middle-class has an interesting history.
In England, where it began during the industrial revolution, middle-class has a different meaning. Over there, the middle-class is more like the merchant class.
In emerging countries, middle class means people with education and access to global goods.
P&G has a lot of experience in the developing world. They can apply their experience to America. Go to Cincinnati now and you’ll see P&G executives and managers from around the world. P&G is no longer an America centric company.
The American middle-class as it exists in the Heartland is withering away in great part because of policies they themselves voted for.
September 14, 2011 at 1:35 PM #729029CAwiremanParticipantIn other countries, the hourglass economic demographic has been in place for a long, long time. Basically the rich/powerful class including those who serve them consitute the Upper classes.
Then, a non-existent MC. Then, lower classs.
As China and India begin to develop an MC, the US is giving theirs up.
I have heard talk that some upper class folks want the middle class gone, stating that the middle class is just a pain in the ass.
Overall, my thought is that regardless of what the UC has done, the MC itself has a lot to answer for. We all buy Japanese, or otherwise foriegn cars, we buy Chinese or foriegn-made furniture, we don’t dig too deeply into where our appliances are manufactured, and so on. We hire illegals to keep our lawns or remodel our homes. All that helps to cut out part of the very class most of us here are part of. And yet we do nothing to correct it.
September 14, 2011 at 2:54 PM #729042joecParticipantI think the hourglass has more to do with how we spend. People will still spend a lot on things they really like or hobbies and be cheap in other areas they don’t care about.
People in CV spend for stuff they don’t care about at 99 cent stores, but will still buy nice Lexuses, send their kids to private schools, property investments, fine dining, trips, etc…on the high end.
Like I use cheap 1 dollar shampoo and wear mostly cheap/free shirts. A $10 haircut is $10 too much. But I don’t mind spending on a lux car or nice tech toys…
September 14, 2011 at 4:10 PM #729051flyerParticipantAnother stat to support this strategy reveals that less than 5% of US households have “investable assets” (obviously excluding real estate) of $1M+. It really amazes me that this percentage is so low.
September 14, 2011 at 6:40 PM #729062The-ShovelerParticipantThe Automation economy, I coined it first I think, anyway it does not matter.
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