[OT] WSJ: “Why Chinese Mothers are Superior”

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians 🙂

[sdduuuude]

[quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]In real life, what is the ratio of managers to employees? Numerically, do all creative people have a chance to become well-paid managers?
[/quote]

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.[/quote]

Actually if you want to be a manager, you focus on dealing with people, and not on technical stuff. Completely different skillsets, and frankly most engineers (doesn’t matter race) can’t do 🙂

To sduudes point…You really cant “teach” someone to be creative. The person either got it or don’t. That said, what you end up with is a bunch of folks that are average/above average workerbees that are good workers, but aren’t effectively leads.

Then again, compared to the economic plight of several folks, I wouldn’t consider “average” in this sense really bad. My parents for example, were “average” tech workers, never laid off, and never in management , but did quite well. Several of their friends ended up going back overseas to start businesses and are wealthy. My parents chose to have a life, so weren’t as motivated to turn huge bucks…

Success isn’t defined by good grades and studying. It’s defined by ambition and drive and anti-laziness. The problem often though, is several kids never have a chance because early on, they weren’t taught these work ethics…(Entitlement mentality). It’s not an asian versus non-asian thing. It’s a parental thing..Sometimes parents just spoil kids beyond belief. The other extreme, is when parents are so strict, they end up totally rebelling. I think that sort of happened to my sis, and that’s why I never had issues about doing what I wanted.

What drove me up the wall was peer pressure. And also, I wanted to give a lot of rich people the STFU middle finger.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]In real life, what is the ratio of managers to employees? Numerically, do all creative people have a chance to become well-paid managers?
[/quote]

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.[/quote]

Actually if you want to be a manager, you focus on dealing with people, and not on technical stuff. Completely different skillsets, and frankly most engineers (doesn’t matter race) can’t do 🙂

To sduudes point…You really cant “teach” someone to be creative. The person either got it or don’t. That said, what you end up with is a bunch of folks that are average/above average workerbees that are good workers, but aren’t effectively leads.

Then again, compared to the economic plight of several folks, I wouldn’t consider “average” in this sense really bad. My parents for example, were “average” tech workers, never laid off, and never in management , but did quite well. Several of their friends ended up going back overseas to start businesses and are wealthy. My parents chose to have a life, so weren’t as motivated to turn huge bucks…

Success isn’t defined by good grades and studying. It’s defined by ambition and drive and anti-laziness. The problem often though, is several kids never have a chance because early on, they weren’t taught these work ethics…(Entitlement mentality). It’s not an asian versus non-asian thing. It’s a parental thing..Sometimes parents just spoil kids beyond belief. The other extreme, is when parents are so strict, they end up totally rebelling. I think that sort of happened to my sis, and that’s why I never had issues about doing what I wanted.

What drove me up the wall was peer pressure. And also, I wanted to give a lot of rich people the STFU middle finger.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]In real life, what is the ratio of managers to employees? Numerically, do all creative people have a chance to become well-paid managers?
[/quote]

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.[/quote]

Actually if you want to be a manager, you focus on dealing with people, and not on technical stuff. Completely different skillsets, and frankly most engineers (doesn’t matter race) can’t do 🙂

To sduudes point…You really cant “teach” someone to be creative. The person either got it or don’t. That said, what you end up with is a bunch of folks that are average/above average workerbees that are good workers, but aren’t effectively leads.

Then again, compared to the economic plight of several folks, I wouldn’t consider “average” in this sense really bad. My parents for example, were “average” tech workers, never laid off, and never in management , but did quite well. Several of their friends ended up going back overseas to start businesses and are wealthy. My parents chose to have a life, so weren’t as motivated to turn huge bucks…

Success isn’t defined by good grades and studying. It’s defined by ambition and drive and anti-laziness. The problem often though, is several kids never have a chance because early on, they weren’t taught these work ethics…(Entitlement mentality). It’s not an asian versus non-asian thing. It’s a parental thing..Sometimes parents just spoil kids beyond belief. The other extreme, is when parents are so strict, they end up totally rebelling. I think that sort of happened to my sis, and that’s why I never had issues about doing what I wanted.

What drove me up the wall was peer pressure. And also, I wanted to give a lot of rich people the STFU middle finger.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]In real life, what is the ratio of managers to employees? Numerically, do all creative people have a chance to become well-paid managers?
[/quote]

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.[/quote]

Actually if you want to be a manager, you focus on dealing with people, and not on technical stuff. Completely different skillsets, and frankly most engineers (doesn’t matter race) can’t do 🙂

To sduudes point…You really cant “teach” someone to be creative. The person either got it or don’t. That said, what you end up with is a bunch of folks that are average/above average workerbees that are good workers, but aren’t effectively leads.

Then again, compared to the economic plight of several folks, I wouldn’t consider “average” in this sense really bad. My parents for example, were “average” tech workers, never laid off, and never in management , but did quite well. Several of their friends ended up going back overseas to start businesses and are wealthy. My parents chose to have a life, so weren’t as motivated to turn huge bucks…

Success isn’t defined by good grades and studying. It’s defined by ambition and drive and anti-laziness. The problem often though, is several kids never have a chance because early on, they weren’t taught these work ethics…(Entitlement mentality). It’s not an asian versus non-asian thing. It’s a parental thing..Sometimes parents just spoil kids beyond belief. The other extreme, is when parents are so strict, they end up totally rebelling. I think that sort of happened to my sis, and that’s why I never had issues about doing what I wanted.

What drove me up the wall was peer pressure. And also, I wanted to give a lot of rich people the STFU middle finger.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=briansd1]In real life, what is the ratio of managers to employees? Numerically, do all creative people have a chance to become well-paid managers?
[/quote]

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.[/quote]

Actually if you want to be a manager, you focus on dealing with people, and not on technical stuff. Completely different skillsets, and frankly most engineers (doesn’t matter race) can’t do 🙂

To sduudes point…You really cant “teach” someone to be creative. The person either got it or don’t. That said, what you end up with is a bunch of folks that are average/above average workerbees that are good workers, but aren’t effectively leads.

Then again, compared to the economic plight of several folks, I wouldn’t consider “average” in this sense really bad. My parents for example, were “average” tech workers, never laid off, and never in management , but did quite well. Several of their friends ended up going back overseas to start businesses and are wealthy. My parents chose to have a life, so weren’t as motivated to turn huge bucks…

Success isn’t defined by good grades and studying. It’s defined by ambition and drive and anti-laziness. The problem often though, is several kids never have a chance because early on, they weren’t taught these work ethics…(Entitlement mentality). It’s not an asian versus non-asian thing. It’s a parental thing..Sometimes parents just spoil kids beyond belief. The other extreme, is when parents are so strict, they end up totally rebelling. I think that sort of happened to my sis, and that’s why I never had issues about doing what I wanted.

What drove me up the wall was peer pressure. And also, I wanted to give a lot of rich people the STFU middle finger.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.[/quote]

Lol.. People what?

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.[/quote]

Lol.. People what?

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.[/quote]

Lol.. People what?

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu][quote=sdduuuude][quote=flu]I hate articles like this. Generalizations..Drives me up the wall.[/quote]

Yes – I was just hoping to draw a line between the general parenting technique of forcing your kid to practice the violin for three hours and a lack of people skills, which I feel are necessary for “success” beyond sitting in a cube hacking out tedious work.

Sorry if it got to “Asian-bashing” for you. Not what I meant.[/quote]

I don’t give a crap. I think this article is crap. And frankly, stereotypes exist for a reason.. Please, why the hell are you apologizing for something.. Afraid FLU will get offended? Please….Carry on…. Damn azians :)[/quote]

I’m apologizing because I have “people skills”.[/quote]

Lol.. People what?

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