OT: Wow HP….

[Coronita]

[quote=UCGal]I see your comparison…

But I guess I see the problem as more than a sex scandal… Sure his trying to cover up an affair led to his firing. But he also chose to ignore his contract when he hired on with Oracle – and that had nothing to do with sex… That just shows that he thinks rules don’t apply to him. You know he had some legal type or HR type make sure he understood the rules he needed to abide by when they were getting signatures for his fabulous parachute. He knew he was breaking the rules.

I guess I just get annoyed by powerful people who think they’re above the rules… and Hurd seems to fit the bill.[/quote]

I look at it a different way….Let’s say you’re company tomorrow decides for whatever reason to fire/layoff/outsource you tomorrow. At the same time you find a job at a competing firm. They come back and threaten to sue if you join..If it were me, I’d say screw you, company x….The company let you go, you have to make end’s meet. Provided you’re not taking documents/IP/source code/ from previous company (which in itself is theft/corporate espionage/etc), if the company was so concerned that you would have been such a threat and so valuable to the company, you wouldn’t have been let go in the first place.

Are you really going to pass up on that job offer because your previous employer that didn’t think you were important enough to keep around (for whatever reasons) nevertheless wanted you to find a job elsewhere?…Did that previous firm help you find a job elsewhere that wouldn’t be considered a non-compete, with identical comps to what you were getting before when they let you go?

I think the only difference between Hurd’s situation and everyone else’s, is for most everyone else, the company wouldn’t do anything because as much as one would like to they they are important, the majority of employees aren’t really valuable enough to merit doing anything.

The entire firing, but then trying to enforce an non-compete is completely hypocritical. If the company felt that the value extracted from the employee was important enough to keep the person around versus the potential of the person working elsewhere, then a pro/con assessment would have been made, and the company wouldn’t have fired the person to begin with.

And it is quite the common practice for this employees to hop around (whether the hopping was voluntary or involuntary- as in the case of layoff)…When Apple was just starting to build the iPhone, where do you think all those top notch ex-Motorola brass ended up after MOT decided to can key teams and outsource the rest to india/china?

Obviously, by letting you go, they are stating the value you provide is not enough versus everything else. HP obviously thought the it was far more important to hush hush this harassment claim than to keep the dude at the center of attention, and it obviously didn’t think that Hurd would have walked across the street. Hurd, on the other hand, I’m sure is going to make HP feel the pain. Hell, if I was in his shoes, I’d ask Oracle to give me a sign on bonus and tell HP they can keep their golden parachute.

From what it appears, HP is asserting that Hurd has the potential of violating confidential agreement, and hence that’s the premise of why he shouldn’t be allowed to join Oracle. That sounds a lot like presumption of guilt without proof…

Some of the employment laws in CA are there for a reason. And in this economy it’s a good thing.

[UCGal]

If my employer laid me off tomorrow (which could happen…) and my severence was tied to a non-compete – I’d either forfeit my severance or find a non-competitor. As an engineer – there are lots of fields.. I’m not in defense now – I could go get a defense job… or medical equipment, or some field that I’m not currently in – but that still uses my skillset.

As I mentioned – I made the mistake of signing an employment agreement with a non-compete clause in it ONCE. The way it was worded I could not go back to work for my previous employer, because they were a former client. I took advantage of a corporate name change to get the former employer specifically excluded when I signed under the new corporate name. (I rehired with the former employer a few months later.)

At the time – since I was considering going back to my former employer – I consulted a lawyer. I was unwilling to make the move while contractually prohibited from it. But that’s just me. I try to follow the rules.

I forget that contracts are pretty much ignored by a lot of people. That got us in trouble when we were building our granny flat. We had trouble getting multiple contractors to follow the letter of their contractual obligations… they felt free to ignore the contract when it suited them.

From the cnn article I linked above – Hurd had specific data about Oracle’s market weaknesses and how HP was going to utilize that. In other words – he has knowledge of the strategy HP is planning on using to compete against Oracle. That’s pretty darn proprietary. To put it in cell phone terms – Lets say I worked at Apple and had the full strategy for how we were going to compete against the Droid phones – what features Apple can offer that droid phones don’t… Marketing plans, new hardware plans, etc. Then I get “resigned” because I do something stupid. I’m offered a sweet package if I go away quietly. And instead I take that marketing and strategy knowledge to Motorola or HTC… that’s a conflict. Period.

[UCGal]

If my employer laid me off tomorrow (which could happen…) and my severence was tied to a non-compete – I’d either forfeit my severance or find a non-competitor. As an engineer – there are lots of fields.. I’m not in defense now – I could go get a defense job… or medical equipment, or some field that I’m not currently in – but that still uses my skillset.

As I mentioned – I made the mistake of signing an employment agreement with a non-compete clause in it ONCE. The way it was worded I could not go back to work for my previous employer, because they were a former client. I took advantage of a corporate name change to get the former employer specifically excluded when I signed under the new corporate name. (I rehired with the former employer a few months later.)

At the time – since I was considering going back to my former employer – I consulted a lawyer. I was unwilling to make the move while contractually prohibited from it. But that’s just me. I try to follow the rules.

I forget that contracts are pretty much ignored by a lot of people. That got us in trouble when we were building our granny flat. We had trouble getting multiple contractors to follow the letter of their contractual obligations… they felt free to ignore the contract when it suited them.

From the cnn article I linked above – Hurd had specific data about Oracle’s market weaknesses and how HP was going to utilize that. In other words – he has knowledge of the strategy HP is planning on using to compete against Oracle. That’s pretty darn proprietary. To put it in cell phone terms – Lets say I worked at Apple and had the full strategy for how we were going to compete against the Droid phones – what features Apple can offer that droid phones don’t… Marketing plans, new hardware plans, etc. Then I get “resigned” because I do something stupid. I’m offered a sweet package if I go away quietly. And instead I take that marketing and strategy knowledge to Motorola or HTC… that’s a conflict. Period.

[UCGal]

If my employer laid me off tomorrow (which could happen…) and my severence was tied to a non-compete – I’d either forfeit my severance or find a non-competitor. As an engineer – there are lots of fields.. I’m not in defense now – I could go get a defense job… or medical equipment, or some field that I’m not currently in – but that still uses my skillset.

As I mentioned – I made the mistake of signing an employment agreement with a non-compete clause in it ONCE. The way it was worded I could not go back to work for my previous employer, because they were a former client. I took advantage of a corporate name change to get the former employer specifically excluded when I signed under the new corporate name. (I rehired with the former employer a few months later.)

At the time – since I was considering going back to my former employer – I consulted a lawyer. I was unwilling to make the move while contractually prohibited from it. But that’s just me. I try to follow the rules.

I forget that contracts are pretty much ignored by a lot of people. That got us in trouble when we were building our granny flat. We had trouble getting multiple contractors to follow the letter of their contractual obligations… they felt free to ignore the contract when it suited them.

From the cnn article I linked above – Hurd had specific data about Oracle’s market weaknesses and how HP was going to utilize that. In other words – he has knowledge of the strategy HP is planning on using to compete against Oracle. That’s pretty darn proprietary. To put it in cell phone terms – Lets say I worked at Apple and had the full strategy for how we were going to compete against the Droid phones – what features Apple can offer that droid phones don’t… Marketing plans, new hardware plans, etc. Then I get “resigned” because I do something stupid. I’m offered a sweet package if I go away quietly. And instead I take that marketing and strategy knowledge to Motorola or HTC… that’s a conflict. Period.

[UCGal]

If my employer laid me off tomorrow (which could happen…) and my severence was tied to a non-compete – I’d either forfeit my severance or find a non-competitor. As an engineer – there are lots of fields.. I’m not in defense now – I could go get a defense job… or medical equipment, or some field that I’m not currently in – but that still uses my skillset.

As I mentioned – I made the mistake of signing an employment agreement with a non-compete clause in it ONCE. The way it was worded I could not go back to work for my previous employer, because they were a former client. I took advantage of a corporate name change to get the former employer specifically excluded when I signed under the new corporate name. (I rehired with the former employer a few months later.)

At the time – since I was considering going back to my former employer – I consulted a lawyer. I was unwilling to make the move while contractually prohibited from it. But that’s just me. I try to follow the rules.

I forget that contracts are pretty much ignored by a lot of people. That got us in trouble when we were building our granny flat. We had trouble getting multiple contractors to follow the letter of their contractual obligations… they felt free to ignore the contract when it suited them.

From the cnn article I linked above – Hurd had specific data about Oracle’s market weaknesses and how HP was going to utilize that. In other words – he has knowledge of the strategy HP is planning on using to compete against Oracle. That’s pretty darn proprietary. To put it in cell phone terms – Lets say I worked at Apple and had the full strategy for how we were going to compete against the Droid phones – what features Apple can offer that droid phones don’t… Marketing plans, new hardware plans, etc. Then I get “resigned” because I do something stupid. I’m offered a sweet package if I go away quietly. And instead I take that marketing and strategy knowledge to Motorola or HTC… that’s a conflict. Period.

[UCGal]

If my employer laid me off tomorrow (which could happen…) and my severence was tied to a non-compete – I’d either forfeit my severance or find a non-competitor. As an engineer – there are lots of fields.. I’m not in defense now – I could go get a defense job… or medical equipment, or some field that I’m not currently in – but that still uses my skillset.

As I mentioned – I made the mistake of signing an employment agreement with a non-compete clause in it ONCE. The way it was worded I could not go back to work for my previous employer, because they were a former client. I took advantage of a corporate name change to get the former employer specifically excluded when I signed under the new corporate name. (I rehired with the former employer a few months later.)

At the time – since I was considering going back to my former employer – I consulted a lawyer. I was unwilling to make the move while contractually prohibited from it. But that’s just me. I try to follow the rules.

I forget that contracts are pretty much ignored by a lot of people. That got us in trouble when we were building our granny flat. We had trouble getting multiple contractors to follow the letter of their contractual obligations… they felt free to ignore the contract when it suited them.

From the cnn article I linked above – Hurd had specific data about Oracle’s market weaknesses and how HP was going to utilize that. In other words – he has knowledge of the strategy HP is planning on using to compete against Oracle. That’s pretty darn proprietary. To put it in cell phone terms – Lets say I worked at Apple and had the full strategy for how we were going to compete against the Droid phones – what features Apple can offer that droid phones don’t… Marketing plans, new hardware plans, etc. Then I get “resigned” because I do something stupid. I’m offered a sweet package if I go away quietly. And instead I take that marketing and strategy knowledge to Motorola or HTC… that’s a conflict. Period.

[Coronita]

LOL… The “WTF” decisions keep getting better and better at HP……….

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HP-boards-selection-of-new-apf-1117462233.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

Hmm, hire the ex-CEO from SAP, who drove that company into a ground after getting it’s axx kicked by Oracle, only to rinse and repeat now at HP…..Seems like a winning strategy to me….

Short, short, short, short, short.

[Coronita]

LOL… The “WTF” decisions keep getting better and better at HP……….

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HP-boards-selection-of-new-apf-1117462233.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

Hmm, hire the ex-CEO from SAP, who drove that company into a ground after getting it’s axx kicked by Oracle, only to rinse and repeat now at HP…..Seems like a winning strategy to me….

Short, short, short, short, short.

[Coronita]

LOL… The “WTF” decisions keep getting better and better at HP……….

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HP-boards-selection-of-new-apf-1117462233.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

Hmm, hire the ex-CEO from SAP, who drove that company into a ground after getting it’s axx kicked by Oracle, only to rinse and repeat now at HP…..Seems like a winning strategy to me….

Short, short, short, short, short.

[Coronita]

LOL… The “WTF” decisions keep getting better and better at HP……….

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HP-boards-selection-of-new-apf-1117462233.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

Hmm, hire the ex-CEO from SAP, who drove that company into a ground after getting it’s axx kicked by Oracle, only to rinse and repeat now at HP…..Seems like a winning strategy to me….

Short, short, short, short, short.

[Coronita]

LOL… The “WTF” decisions keep getting better and better at HP……….

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HP-boards-selection-of-new-apf-1117462233.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

Hmm, hire the ex-CEO from SAP, who drove that company into a ground after getting it’s axx kicked by Oracle, only to rinse and repeat now at HP…..Seems like a winning strategy to me….

Short, short, short, short, short.

[briansd1]

what do you guys think of the latest HP announcement.

I think that spinning off the hardware business is a good move.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/08/hp-planning-spinoff-of-pc-business-end-of-touchpad-acquisition-of-uk-company.html

[briansd1]

what do you guys think of the latest HP announcement.

I think that spinning off the hardware business is a good move.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/08/hp-planning-spinoff-of-pc-business-end-of-touchpad-acquisition-of-uk-company.html

[briansd1]

what do you guys think of the latest HP announcement.

I think that spinning off the hardware business is a good move.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/08/hp-planning-spinoff-of-pc-business-end-of-touchpad-acquisition-of-uk-company.html

[briansd1]

what do you guys think of the latest HP announcement.

I think that spinning off the hardware business is a good move.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/08/hp-planning-spinoff-of-pc-business-end-of-touchpad-acquisition-of-uk-company.html

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