OT: Will Hillary concede now?

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Obama is winning on this site.

http://www.intrade.com/

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no_such_reality:

He is directing his campaign against McCain now. He has been paying less and less attention to Hillary for some time now (weeks) and more and more gearing towards the general election.

Frankly, he had this sewn up well over a month ago (before Pennsylvania). The avalanche of superdelegates has already started. I think Hillary will hang around until the last primaries to “keep her word” to her supporters, but she’s irrelevent now, and almost certainly she knows that as well.

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no_such_reality:

He is directing his campaign against McCain now. He has been paying less and less attention to Hillary for some time now (weeks) and more and more gearing towards the general election.

Frankly, he had this sewn up well over a month ago (before Pennsylvania). The avalanche of superdelegates has already started. I think Hillary will hang around until the last primaries to “keep her word” to her supporters, but she’s irrelevent now, and almost certainly she knows that as well.

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no_such_reality:

He is directing his campaign against McCain now. He has been paying less and less attention to Hillary for some time now (weeks) and more and more gearing towards the general election.

Frankly, he had this sewn up well over a month ago (before Pennsylvania). The avalanche of superdelegates has already started. I think Hillary will hang around until the last primaries to “keep her word” to her supporters, but she’s irrelevent now, and almost certainly she knows that as well.

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no_such_reality:

He is directing his campaign against McCain now. He has been paying less and less attention to Hillary for some time now (weeks) and more and more gearing towards the general election.

Frankly, he had this sewn up well over a month ago (before Pennsylvania). The avalanche of superdelegates has already started. I think Hillary will hang around until the last primaries to “keep her word” to her supporters, but she’s irrelevent now, and almost certainly she knows that as well.

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no_such_reality:

He is directing his campaign against McCain now. He has been paying less and less attention to Hillary for some time now (weeks) and more and more gearing towards the general election.

Frankly, he had this sewn up well over a month ago (before Pennsylvania). The avalanche of superdelegates has already started. I think Hillary will hang around until the last primaries to “keep her word” to her supporters, but she’s irrelevent now, and almost certainly she knows that as well.

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Asianautica:

Bail outs do seem likely – and one of the things I think shouldn’t be done – but those would likely happen regardless of who wins – there’s too much political pressure being brought to bear. The only question would be WHO would be bailed out. If it’s the Democrats, it’ll be the homeowners who get bailed out. If it’s the Republicans, it’ll be the banks and the financial houses that sold MBS’s. Between those two, I’d rather bail out the homeowners.

Higher taxes all around seems very unlikely though. Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes (though he has also promised to revoke George Bush’s tax cuts on the highest earners). Under Obama, I think those of us making 125K or more will probably see a slight tax increase, those making 200K+ will probably see a significant tax increase, and anyone here making less than 75K will probably get a tax cut. He has also said he is likely to increase the capital gains tax on a sliding scale up to 28% for the highest amount of gains.

Bear in mind though that the MOST likely thing that will happen is the restoration of the 38% tax bracket for those making 200K single/350K married, and the 33% bracket returning to the 35% level – as those he can have done without needing new legislation (by simply letting the Bush tax cuts for those brackets lapse). If the Democrats don’t have a filibuster proof majority (which seems likely) the GOP will likely filibuster any additional taxes.

Unfortunately, we do need to increase taxes somehow because we do have to dig ourselves out of the hole that we’ve been dug into – and given how badly the middle class has gotten squeezed during the Bush Presidency, it’s neither prudent nor likely that they will get hit with it.

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Asianautica:

Bail outs do seem likely – and one of the things I think shouldn’t be done – but those would likely happen regardless of who wins – there’s too much political pressure being brought to bear. The only question would be WHO would be bailed out. If it’s the Democrats, it’ll be the homeowners who get bailed out. If it’s the Republicans, it’ll be the banks and the financial houses that sold MBS’s. Between those two, I’d rather bail out the homeowners.

Higher taxes all around seems very unlikely though. Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes (though he has also promised to revoke George Bush’s tax cuts on the highest earners). Under Obama, I think those of us making 125K or more will probably see a slight tax increase, those making 200K+ will probably see a significant tax increase, and anyone here making less than 75K will probably get a tax cut. He has also said he is likely to increase the capital gains tax on a sliding scale up to 28% for the highest amount of gains.

Bear in mind though that the MOST likely thing that will happen is the restoration of the 38% tax bracket for those making 200K single/350K married, and the 33% bracket returning to the 35% level – as those he can have done without needing new legislation (by simply letting the Bush tax cuts for those brackets lapse). If the Democrats don’t have a filibuster proof majority (which seems likely) the GOP will likely filibuster any additional taxes.

Unfortunately, we do need to increase taxes somehow because we do have to dig ourselves out of the hole that we’ve been dug into – and given how badly the middle class has gotten squeezed during the Bush Presidency, it’s neither prudent nor likely that they will get hit with it.

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Asianautica:

Bail outs do seem likely – and one of the things I think shouldn’t be done – but those would likely happen regardless of who wins – there’s too much political pressure being brought to bear. The only question would be WHO would be bailed out. If it’s the Democrats, it’ll be the homeowners who get bailed out. If it’s the Republicans, it’ll be the banks and the financial houses that sold MBS’s. Between those two, I’d rather bail out the homeowners.

Higher taxes all around seems very unlikely though. Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes (though he has also promised to revoke George Bush’s tax cuts on the highest earners). Under Obama, I think those of us making 125K or more will probably see a slight tax increase, those making 200K+ will probably see a significant tax increase, and anyone here making less than 75K will probably get a tax cut. He has also said he is likely to increase the capital gains tax on a sliding scale up to 28% for the highest amount of gains.

Bear in mind though that the MOST likely thing that will happen is the restoration of the 38% tax bracket for those making 200K single/350K married, and the 33% bracket returning to the 35% level – as those he can have done without needing new legislation (by simply letting the Bush tax cuts for those brackets lapse). If the Democrats don’t have a filibuster proof majority (which seems likely) the GOP will likely filibuster any additional taxes.

Unfortunately, we do need to increase taxes somehow because we do have to dig ourselves out of the hole that we’ve been dug into – and given how badly the middle class has gotten squeezed during the Bush Presidency, it’s neither prudent nor likely that they will get hit with it.

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Asianautica:

Bail outs do seem likely – and one of the things I think shouldn’t be done – but those would likely happen regardless of who wins – there’s too much political pressure being brought to bear. The only question would be WHO would be bailed out. If it’s the Democrats, it’ll be the homeowners who get bailed out. If it’s the Republicans, it’ll be the banks and the financial houses that sold MBS’s. Between those two, I’d rather bail out the homeowners.

Higher taxes all around seems very unlikely though. Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes (though he has also promised to revoke George Bush’s tax cuts on the highest earners). Under Obama, I think those of us making 125K or more will probably see a slight tax increase, those making 200K+ will probably see a significant tax increase, and anyone here making less than 75K will probably get a tax cut. He has also said he is likely to increase the capital gains tax on a sliding scale up to 28% for the highest amount of gains.

Bear in mind though that the MOST likely thing that will happen is the restoration of the 38% tax bracket for those making 200K single/350K married, and the 33% bracket returning to the 35% level – as those he can have done without needing new legislation (by simply letting the Bush tax cuts for those brackets lapse). If the Democrats don’t have a filibuster proof majority (which seems likely) the GOP will likely filibuster any additional taxes.

Unfortunately, we do need to increase taxes somehow because we do have to dig ourselves out of the hole that we’ve been dug into – and given how badly the middle class has gotten squeezed during the Bush Presidency, it’s neither prudent nor likely that they will get hit with it.

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Asianautica:

Bail outs do seem likely – and one of the things I think shouldn’t be done – but those would likely happen regardless of who wins – there’s too much political pressure being brought to bear. The only question would be WHO would be bailed out. If it’s the Democrats, it’ll be the homeowners who get bailed out. If it’s the Republicans, it’ll be the banks and the financial houses that sold MBS’s. Between those two, I’d rather bail out the homeowners.

Higher taxes all around seems very unlikely though. Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes (though he has also promised to revoke George Bush’s tax cuts on the highest earners). Under Obama, I think those of us making 125K or more will probably see a slight tax increase, those making 200K+ will probably see a significant tax increase, and anyone here making less than 75K will probably get a tax cut. He has also said he is likely to increase the capital gains tax on a sliding scale up to 28% for the highest amount of gains.

Bear in mind though that the MOST likely thing that will happen is the restoration of the 38% tax bracket for those making 200K single/350K married, and the 33% bracket returning to the 35% level – as those he can have done without needing new legislation (by simply letting the Bush tax cuts for those brackets lapse). If the Democrats don’t have a filibuster proof majority (which seems likely) the GOP will likely filibuster any additional taxes.

Unfortunately, we do need to increase taxes somehow because we do have to dig ourselves out of the hole that we’ve been dug into – and given how badly the middle class has gotten squeezed during the Bush Presidency, it’s neither prudent nor likely that they will get hit with it.

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sd_matt:

On John Hagee – the homosexual quote is just the tip of the iceberg – he’s the classic uber-Southern Baptist and has been full of misogynist and anti-Catholic quotes (probably anti-Mormon and other fringe Christian groups as well).

Here’s his description of Catholicism (and note, it’s NOT an off the cuff remark – it was printed in one of his books!)

“A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate.” (1987, “Should Christians Support Israel?”) In the past, he also referred to it as “The Great Whore” (something not unique to him – a lot of the more extreme pastors in the Southern Baptist church and other fundamentalist Christian sects consider it to be such).

He has recently attempted to a certain degree to recant his anti-Catholism, but frankly, coming on the heels of his endorsement of John McCain, it strikes me as very likely to be nothing but political damage control, about as believable as if Wright did the same thing.

He’s also been guilty of blaming the Jewish people themselves for the holocaust and other issues (sounds contradictory to his stance on Israel, but if you’re familiar with fundamentalist end-times stuff, it’s not – the right wing in many cases doesn’t appear to care one bit about the Jewish people – but they’re needed to be there in Israel for the end-times prophecies to be fulfilled).

“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day… Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come…. it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people” )(2006, “Jerusalem Countdown”)

There are others, but he’s quite clearly just as nuts as Wright is, just with a different theological bent. Hagee is an “end-timer”, and frankly, that’s a nuttier theological bent in my opinion than anything Wright believes in (though I know theres a fairly large chunk of US Christians who believe it as well).

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sd_matt:

On John Hagee – the homosexual quote is just the tip of the iceberg – he’s the classic uber-Southern Baptist and has been full of misogynist and anti-Catholic quotes (probably anti-Mormon and other fringe Christian groups as well).

Here’s his description of Catholicism (and note, it’s NOT an off the cuff remark – it was printed in one of his books!)

“A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate.” (1987, “Should Christians Support Israel?”) In the past, he also referred to it as “The Great Whore” (something not unique to him – a lot of the more extreme pastors in the Southern Baptist church and other fundamentalist Christian sects consider it to be such).

He has recently attempted to a certain degree to recant his anti-Catholism, but frankly, coming on the heels of his endorsement of John McCain, it strikes me as very likely to be nothing but political damage control, about as believable as if Wright did the same thing.

He’s also been guilty of blaming the Jewish people themselves for the holocaust and other issues (sounds contradictory to his stance on Israel, but if you’re familiar with fundamentalist end-times stuff, it’s not – the right wing in many cases doesn’t appear to care one bit about the Jewish people – but they’re needed to be there in Israel for the end-times prophecies to be fulfilled).

“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day… Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come…. it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people” )(2006, “Jerusalem Countdown”)

There are others, but he’s quite clearly just as nuts as Wright is, just with a different theological bent. Hagee is an “end-timer”, and frankly, that’s a nuttier theological bent in my opinion than anything Wright believes in (though I know theres a fairly large chunk of US Christians who believe it as well).

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sd_matt:

On John Hagee – the homosexual quote is just the tip of the iceberg – he’s the classic uber-Southern Baptist and has been full of misogynist and anti-Catholic quotes (probably anti-Mormon and other fringe Christian groups as well).

Here’s his description of Catholicism (and note, it’s NOT an off the cuff remark – it was printed in one of his books!)

“A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate.” (1987, “Should Christians Support Israel?”) In the past, he also referred to it as “The Great Whore” (something not unique to him – a lot of the more extreme pastors in the Southern Baptist church and other fundamentalist Christian sects consider it to be such).

He has recently attempted to a certain degree to recant his anti-Catholism, but frankly, coming on the heels of his endorsement of John McCain, it strikes me as very likely to be nothing but political damage control, about as believable as if Wright did the same thing.

He’s also been guilty of blaming the Jewish people themselves for the holocaust and other issues (sounds contradictory to his stance on Israel, but if you’re familiar with fundamentalist end-times stuff, it’s not – the right wing in many cases doesn’t appear to care one bit about the Jewish people – but they’re needed to be there in Israel for the end-times prophecies to be fulfilled).

“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day… Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come…. it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people” )(2006, “Jerusalem Countdown”)

There are others, but he’s quite clearly just as nuts as Wright is, just with a different theological bent. Hagee is an “end-timer”, and frankly, that’s a nuttier theological bent in my opinion than anything Wright believes in (though I know theres a fairly large chunk of US Christians who believe it as well).

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sd_matt:

On John Hagee – the homosexual quote is just the tip of the iceberg – he’s the classic uber-Southern Baptist and has been full of misogynist and anti-Catholic quotes (probably anti-Mormon and other fringe Christian groups as well).

Here’s his description of Catholicism (and note, it’s NOT an off the cuff remark – it was printed in one of his books!)

“A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate.” (1987, “Should Christians Support Israel?”) In the past, he also referred to it as “The Great Whore” (something not unique to him – a lot of the more extreme pastors in the Southern Baptist church and other fundamentalist Christian sects consider it to be such).

He has recently attempted to a certain degree to recant his anti-Catholism, but frankly, coming on the heels of his endorsement of John McCain, it strikes me as very likely to be nothing but political damage control, about as believable as if Wright did the same thing.

He’s also been guilty of blaming the Jewish people themselves for the holocaust and other issues (sounds contradictory to his stance on Israel, but if you’re familiar with fundamentalist end-times stuff, it’s not – the right wing in many cases doesn’t appear to care one bit about the Jewish people – but they’re needed to be there in Israel for the end-times prophecies to be fulfilled).

“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day… Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come…. it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people” )(2006, “Jerusalem Countdown”)

There are others, but he’s quite clearly just as nuts as Wright is, just with a different theological bent. Hagee is an “end-timer”, and frankly, that’s a nuttier theological bent in my opinion than anything Wright believes in (though I know theres a fairly large chunk of US Christians who believe it as well).

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