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September 1, 2009 at 10:51 PM #452500September 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM #451708Allan from FallbrookParticipant
Sdgrrl: As a military history buff, I’d be the first to agree that Vietnam was fought on the battlefield and lost on the home front.
I don’t think we’re in danger of losing 60,000 troops like we did in Vietnam, but, remember something here: Prior to Vietnam, the only serious reverse we suffered was the Korean War, and that ended in a stalemate. There was nothing in our history that prepared us for a loss and Vietnam changed the landscape, both historically and culturally, and it’s been with us ever since.
We’re now seven years into Afghanistan and our troop commitment stands at 60,000+ and some commanders are suggesting even more US troops are needed. Our NATO allies are a joke (according to a friend of mine who’s there, ISAF (the international contingent) stands for “I Saw Americans Fight”) and the various European countries, including Britain, are growing weary of the cost and casualties.
Also, don’t forget that Afghanistan proved the Soviet’s undoing and largely due to time and money, rather than casualties.
I hear what you’re saying about Iran, but does that mean we commit ever larger amounts of troops and more money and time, in what appears to be a growing quagmire?
I don’t know, either, but I do know this: We don’t have the money, soldiers or time to spend on this. Not if we plan on truly building a nation out of the mess that’s there presently.
September 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM #451901Allan from FallbrookParticipantSdgrrl: As a military history buff, I’d be the first to agree that Vietnam was fought on the battlefield and lost on the home front.
I don’t think we’re in danger of losing 60,000 troops like we did in Vietnam, but, remember something here: Prior to Vietnam, the only serious reverse we suffered was the Korean War, and that ended in a stalemate. There was nothing in our history that prepared us for a loss and Vietnam changed the landscape, both historically and culturally, and it’s been with us ever since.
We’re now seven years into Afghanistan and our troop commitment stands at 60,000+ and some commanders are suggesting even more US troops are needed. Our NATO allies are a joke (according to a friend of mine who’s there, ISAF (the international contingent) stands for “I Saw Americans Fight”) and the various European countries, including Britain, are growing weary of the cost and casualties.
Also, don’t forget that Afghanistan proved the Soviet’s undoing and largely due to time and money, rather than casualties.
I hear what you’re saying about Iran, but does that mean we commit ever larger amounts of troops and more money and time, in what appears to be a growing quagmire?
I don’t know, either, but I do know this: We don’t have the money, soldiers or time to spend on this. Not if we plan on truly building a nation out of the mess that’s there presently.
September 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM #452242Allan from FallbrookParticipantSdgrrl: As a military history buff, I’d be the first to agree that Vietnam was fought on the battlefield and lost on the home front.
I don’t think we’re in danger of losing 60,000 troops like we did in Vietnam, but, remember something here: Prior to Vietnam, the only serious reverse we suffered was the Korean War, and that ended in a stalemate. There was nothing in our history that prepared us for a loss and Vietnam changed the landscape, both historically and culturally, and it’s been with us ever since.
We’re now seven years into Afghanistan and our troop commitment stands at 60,000+ and some commanders are suggesting even more US troops are needed. Our NATO allies are a joke (according to a friend of mine who’s there, ISAF (the international contingent) stands for “I Saw Americans Fight”) and the various European countries, including Britain, are growing weary of the cost and casualties.
Also, don’t forget that Afghanistan proved the Soviet’s undoing and largely due to time and money, rather than casualties.
I hear what you’re saying about Iran, but does that mean we commit ever larger amounts of troops and more money and time, in what appears to be a growing quagmire?
I don’t know, either, but I do know this: We don’t have the money, soldiers or time to spend on this. Not if we plan on truly building a nation out of the mess that’s there presently.
September 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM #452314Allan from FallbrookParticipantSdgrrl: As a military history buff, I’d be the first to agree that Vietnam was fought on the battlefield and lost on the home front.
I don’t think we’re in danger of losing 60,000 troops like we did in Vietnam, but, remember something here: Prior to Vietnam, the only serious reverse we suffered was the Korean War, and that ended in a stalemate. There was nothing in our history that prepared us for a loss and Vietnam changed the landscape, both historically and culturally, and it’s been with us ever since.
We’re now seven years into Afghanistan and our troop commitment stands at 60,000+ and some commanders are suggesting even more US troops are needed. Our NATO allies are a joke (according to a friend of mine who’s there, ISAF (the international contingent) stands for “I Saw Americans Fight”) and the various European countries, including Britain, are growing weary of the cost and casualties.
Also, don’t forget that Afghanistan proved the Soviet’s undoing and largely due to time and money, rather than casualties.
I hear what you’re saying about Iran, but does that mean we commit ever larger amounts of troops and more money and time, in what appears to be a growing quagmire?
I don’t know, either, but I do know this: We don’t have the money, soldiers or time to spend on this. Not if we plan on truly building a nation out of the mess that’s there presently.
September 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM #452505Allan from FallbrookParticipantSdgrrl: As a military history buff, I’d be the first to agree that Vietnam was fought on the battlefield and lost on the home front.
I don’t think we’re in danger of losing 60,000 troops like we did in Vietnam, but, remember something here: Prior to Vietnam, the only serious reverse we suffered was the Korean War, and that ended in a stalemate. There was nothing in our history that prepared us for a loss and Vietnam changed the landscape, both historically and culturally, and it’s been with us ever since.
We’re now seven years into Afghanistan and our troop commitment stands at 60,000+ and some commanders are suggesting even more US troops are needed. Our NATO allies are a joke (according to a friend of mine who’s there, ISAF (the international contingent) stands for “I Saw Americans Fight”) and the various European countries, including Britain, are growing weary of the cost and casualties.
Also, don’t forget that Afghanistan proved the Soviet’s undoing and largely due to time and money, rather than casualties.
I hear what you’re saying about Iran, but does that mean we commit ever larger amounts of troops and more money and time, in what appears to be a growing quagmire?
I don’t know, either, but I do know this: We don’t have the money, soldiers or time to spend on this. Not if we plan on truly building a nation out of the mess that’s there presently.
September 1, 2009 at 11:10 PM #451713ZeitgeistParticipantI agree with this person about the government:
“More proof that Bush and Obama are the same person.
Hopefully people will simply have all purchasers sign a form stating that these are collectables and are not to be given to individuals under 12. There must be some simple way around this foolishness.”September 1, 2009 at 11:10 PM #451906ZeitgeistParticipantI agree with this person about the government:
“More proof that Bush and Obama are the same person.
Hopefully people will simply have all purchasers sign a form stating that these are collectables and are not to be given to individuals under 12. There must be some simple way around this foolishness.”September 1, 2009 at 11:10 PM #452247ZeitgeistParticipantI agree with this person about the government:
“More proof that Bush and Obama are the same person.
Hopefully people will simply have all purchasers sign a form stating that these are collectables and are not to be given to individuals under 12. There must be some simple way around this foolishness.”September 1, 2009 at 11:10 PM #452320ZeitgeistParticipantI agree with this person about the government:
“More proof that Bush and Obama are the same person.
Hopefully people will simply have all purchasers sign a form stating that these are collectables and are not to be given to individuals under 12. There must be some simple way around this foolishness.”September 1, 2009 at 11:10 PM #452510ZeitgeistParticipantI agree with this person about the government:
“More proof that Bush and Obama are the same person.
Hopefully people will simply have all purchasers sign a form stating that these are collectables and are not to be given to individuals under 12. There must be some simple way around this foolishness.”September 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM #451722sdgrrlParticipantOh give me a break Zeit. Really. You hide behind a Dylan song and use it for your own benefit to taunt Gandalf. Then if I criticize it you say oh its Dylan and he’s not a babbler. No, Dylan is not a babbler-you using his lyrics to fit an immature taunt is babbling to me.
I’m uninformed? How? Is what I said about the Bush/Repub years untrue? Did eight years of Bush make this country better or worse? Did the Repubs bend over for the religious right or not? Was there not a huge culture of corruption with Abramoff around? Sorry, am I just not forgetting these things fast enough for you? Would I be informed if I went to websites with a Repub agenda? Would I be informed enough for you then?
What argument doesn’t go my way? Over and over I say I can see how Obama could be unpopular in many people’s eyes. I understand how his policies could be a nightmare to some.
Argument? Your awesome BS refuted claims of Obama’s birth or his concentration camps. It doesn’t need to be argued by me really, because any journalist worth their paycheck has refuted it for me any way.
Would I be informed if I believed Obama was illegal and was setting up camps for conservative evil doers? What that fit your hole in a shoe box “world view”? Could I then be appreciated by you?
Have I not asked you time and time again about your ideas for the 2012 Repub ticket? I have heard you criticize over and over the Dems, but you have never once given one coherent answer from your side.
Have I not said time and time again I don’t know if the bailout was right, or that I know anything about Afghanistan other than my fears of Iran gaining a foothold.
For Pete’s sake.
I’m a xenaphobe? That’s awesome seeing that my mom is Korean and my fiance is a Jewish/German. Please give me one instance of my xenophobia. Please.
I’m a superficial twit and you are a far right robot. If you are going to post inflammatory/loony post about concentration camps and birther conspiracy theories I hope you can take the heat.
September 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM #451916sdgrrlParticipantOh give me a break Zeit. Really. You hide behind a Dylan song and use it for your own benefit to taunt Gandalf. Then if I criticize it you say oh its Dylan and he’s not a babbler. No, Dylan is not a babbler-you using his lyrics to fit an immature taunt is babbling to me.
I’m uninformed? How? Is what I said about the Bush/Repub years untrue? Did eight years of Bush make this country better or worse? Did the Repubs bend over for the religious right or not? Was there not a huge culture of corruption with Abramoff around? Sorry, am I just not forgetting these things fast enough for you? Would I be informed if I went to websites with a Repub agenda? Would I be informed enough for you then?
What argument doesn’t go my way? Over and over I say I can see how Obama could be unpopular in many people’s eyes. I understand how his policies could be a nightmare to some.
Argument? Your awesome BS refuted claims of Obama’s birth or his concentration camps. It doesn’t need to be argued by me really, because any journalist worth their paycheck has refuted it for me any way.
Would I be informed if I believed Obama was illegal and was setting up camps for conservative evil doers? What that fit your hole in a shoe box “world view”? Could I then be appreciated by you?
Have I not asked you time and time again about your ideas for the 2012 Repub ticket? I have heard you criticize over and over the Dems, but you have never once given one coherent answer from your side.
Have I not said time and time again I don’t know if the bailout was right, or that I know anything about Afghanistan other than my fears of Iran gaining a foothold.
For Pete’s sake.
I’m a xenaphobe? That’s awesome seeing that my mom is Korean and my fiance is a Jewish/German. Please give me one instance of my xenophobia. Please.
I’m a superficial twit and you are a far right robot. If you are going to post inflammatory/loony post about concentration camps and birther conspiracy theories I hope you can take the heat.
September 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM #452257sdgrrlParticipantOh give me a break Zeit. Really. You hide behind a Dylan song and use it for your own benefit to taunt Gandalf. Then if I criticize it you say oh its Dylan and he’s not a babbler. No, Dylan is not a babbler-you using his lyrics to fit an immature taunt is babbling to me.
I’m uninformed? How? Is what I said about the Bush/Repub years untrue? Did eight years of Bush make this country better or worse? Did the Repubs bend over for the religious right or not? Was there not a huge culture of corruption with Abramoff around? Sorry, am I just not forgetting these things fast enough for you? Would I be informed if I went to websites with a Repub agenda? Would I be informed enough for you then?
What argument doesn’t go my way? Over and over I say I can see how Obama could be unpopular in many people’s eyes. I understand how his policies could be a nightmare to some.
Argument? Your awesome BS refuted claims of Obama’s birth or his concentration camps. It doesn’t need to be argued by me really, because any journalist worth their paycheck has refuted it for me any way.
Would I be informed if I believed Obama was illegal and was setting up camps for conservative evil doers? What that fit your hole in a shoe box “world view”? Could I then be appreciated by you?
Have I not asked you time and time again about your ideas for the 2012 Repub ticket? I have heard you criticize over and over the Dems, but you have never once given one coherent answer from your side.
Have I not said time and time again I don’t know if the bailout was right, or that I know anything about Afghanistan other than my fears of Iran gaining a foothold.
For Pete’s sake.
I’m a xenaphobe? That’s awesome seeing that my mom is Korean and my fiance is a Jewish/German. Please give me one instance of my xenophobia. Please.
I’m a superficial twit and you are a far right robot. If you are going to post inflammatory/loony post about concentration camps and birther conspiracy theories I hope you can take the heat.
September 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM #452330sdgrrlParticipantOh give me a break Zeit. Really. You hide behind a Dylan song and use it for your own benefit to taunt Gandalf. Then if I criticize it you say oh its Dylan and he’s not a babbler. No, Dylan is not a babbler-you using his lyrics to fit an immature taunt is babbling to me.
I’m uninformed? How? Is what I said about the Bush/Repub years untrue? Did eight years of Bush make this country better or worse? Did the Repubs bend over for the religious right or not? Was there not a huge culture of corruption with Abramoff around? Sorry, am I just not forgetting these things fast enough for you? Would I be informed if I went to websites with a Repub agenda? Would I be informed enough for you then?
What argument doesn’t go my way? Over and over I say I can see how Obama could be unpopular in many people’s eyes. I understand how his policies could be a nightmare to some.
Argument? Your awesome BS refuted claims of Obama’s birth or his concentration camps. It doesn’t need to be argued by me really, because any journalist worth their paycheck has refuted it for me any way.
Would I be informed if I believed Obama was illegal and was setting up camps for conservative evil doers? What that fit your hole in a shoe box “world view”? Could I then be appreciated by you?
Have I not asked you time and time again about your ideas for the 2012 Repub ticket? I have heard you criticize over and over the Dems, but you have never once given one coherent answer from your side.
Have I not said time and time again I don’t know if the bailout was right, or that I know anything about Afghanistan other than my fears of Iran gaining a foothold.
For Pete’s sake.
I’m a xenaphobe? That’s awesome seeing that my mom is Korean and my fiance is a Jewish/German. Please give me one instance of my xenophobia. Please.
I’m a superficial twit and you are a far right robot. If you are going to post inflammatory/loony post about concentration camps and birther conspiracy theories I hope you can take the heat.
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