OT: What San Diego wants from the stimulus package

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=afx114][quote=LuckyInOC]won’t even leave a dent…[/quote]

Which is why economists like Krugman say that the bill is too small and that we need to be increasing spending rather than cutting it.

Using your math, if the original $600m was spent rather than cutting it to $300m, that works out to roughly 30,000 hybrid purchases, around 10% of all 2007 hybrid sales. Is a 10% increase in sales during a recession/depression still hardly a dent?
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1. I doubt each vehicle will cost $20k, more like $30-36k.

2. I didn’t include the cost of procurement of these vehicles (i.e. government buyers). This will probably cut into 10-20% of those vehicles.

The dent I was refering to was the savings from 650,000 fleet vehicles of which 20% (121k) are already AFV. This is like 2% change of the current fleet. Pelosi’s jet uses more fuel than this would save…

Why don’t we make it equal to the GNP for the last 8 years… That should cover every possibility…

“I can’t be out of money, I still have checks…”

Let me get this right, if you max out you credit cards, you can go to your employer and they have to give you a raise based on your current expenses…

I would sure like to work there..

Lucky In OC

[equalizer]

[quote=SD Realtor]Well let’s see… Maybe I am blind but it seems that every single one of these projects will definitely help… city employees. I guess I miss the part where I the 350 million will help create sustainable jobs in the private sector. Seems to me that this will create alot more work for alot more city employees. Perhaps they can take that 350 million and use it to fund the underfunded pension and medical benefits for the existing city employees? No I guess it is better to bloat the system up with lots more city employees. Why not!

Don’t get me wrong because the infrastructure of this city is pretty pathetic. However, it just seems pretty bad to me… It seems like there could be a better way to spend 350 million.

Good post afx. [/quote]
UTC traffic nightmare esp with Trolley extension is extremely important to fix for all who need to commute. Will help all who work/live in area.
Worrying about city workers benefiting from this project is missing the big picture. It’s the retired safety workers making 200K that is the problem.

[equalizer]

[quote=SD Realtor]Well let’s see… Maybe I am blind but it seems that every single one of these projects will definitely help… city employees. I guess I miss the part where I the 350 million will help create sustainable jobs in the private sector. Seems to me that this will create alot more work for alot more city employees. Perhaps they can take that 350 million and use it to fund the underfunded pension and medical benefits for the existing city employees? No I guess it is better to bloat the system up with lots more city employees. Why not!

Don’t get me wrong because the infrastructure of this city is pretty pathetic. However, it just seems pretty bad to me… It seems like there could be a better way to spend 350 million.

Good post afx. [/quote]
UTC traffic nightmare esp with Trolley extension is extremely important to fix for all who need to commute. Will help all who work/live in area.
Worrying about city workers benefiting from this project is missing the big picture. It’s the retired safety workers making 200K that is the problem.

[equalizer]

[quote=SD Realtor]Well let’s see… Maybe I am blind but it seems that every single one of these projects will definitely help… city employees. I guess I miss the part where I the 350 million will help create sustainable jobs in the private sector. Seems to me that this will create alot more work for alot more city employees. Perhaps they can take that 350 million and use it to fund the underfunded pension and medical benefits for the existing city employees? No I guess it is better to bloat the system up with lots more city employees. Why not!

Don’t get me wrong because the infrastructure of this city is pretty pathetic. However, it just seems pretty bad to me… It seems like there could be a better way to spend 350 million.

Good post afx. [/quote]
UTC traffic nightmare esp with Trolley extension is extremely important to fix for all who need to commute. Will help all who work/live in area.
Worrying about city workers benefiting from this project is missing the big picture. It’s the retired safety workers making 200K that is the problem.

[equalizer]

[quote=SD Realtor]Well let’s see… Maybe I am blind but it seems that every single one of these projects will definitely help… city employees. I guess I miss the part where I the 350 million will help create sustainable jobs in the private sector. Seems to me that this will create alot more work for alot more city employees. Perhaps they can take that 350 million and use it to fund the underfunded pension and medical benefits for the existing city employees? No I guess it is better to bloat the system up with lots more city employees. Why not!

Don’t get me wrong because the infrastructure of this city is pretty pathetic. However, it just seems pretty bad to me… It seems like there could be a better way to spend 350 million.

Good post afx. [/quote]
UTC traffic nightmare esp with Trolley extension is extremely important to fix for all who need to commute. Will help all who work/live in area.
Worrying about city workers benefiting from this project is missing the big picture. It’s the retired safety workers making 200K that is the problem.

[equalizer]

[quote=SD Realtor]Well let’s see… Maybe I am blind but it seems that every single one of these projects will definitely help… city employees. I guess I miss the part where I the 350 million will help create sustainable jobs in the private sector. Seems to me that this will create alot more work for alot more city employees. Perhaps they can take that 350 million and use it to fund the underfunded pension and medical benefits for the existing city employees? No I guess it is better to bloat the system up with lots more city employees. Why not!

Don’t get me wrong because the infrastructure of this city is pretty pathetic. However, it just seems pretty bad to me… It seems like there could be a better way to spend 350 million.

Good post afx. [/quote]
UTC traffic nightmare esp with Trolley extension is extremely important to fix for all who need to commute. Will help all who work/live in area.
Worrying about city workers benefiting from this project is missing the big picture. It’s the retired safety workers making 200K that is the problem.

[SD Realtor]

Equalizer there needs to be a clarification between stimulus and spending. If you want to “spend” money, 350 million on this sort of stuff then simply call it that. However that sort of spending will not stimulate the telecom industry or the biotech industry. It will not get a college grad in engineering a job. Like I said in my other post that was Dave Ramseys idea, stimulus of the private sector to retain jobs, is more important. Putting every egg into infrastructure improvement to me seems rash. I would settle for at least some in infrastructure improvement and some in the private sector.

It just “appears” to me like this is a spending package that is not unlike a large thank you note to the unions.

[SD Realtor]

Equalizer there needs to be a clarification between stimulus and spending. If you want to “spend” money, 350 million on this sort of stuff then simply call it that. However that sort of spending will not stimulate the telecom industry or the biotech industry. It will not get a college grad in engineering a job. Like I said in my other post that was Dave Ramseys idea, stimulus of the private sector to retain jobs, is more important. Putting every egg into infrastructure improvement to me seems rash. I would settle for at least some in infrastructure improvement and some in the private sector.

It just “appears” to me like this is a spending package that is not unlike a large thank you note to the unions.

[SD Realtor]

Equalizer there needs to be a clarification between stimulus and spending. If you want to “spend” money, 350 million on this sort of stuff then simply call it that. However that sort of spending will not stimulate the telecom industry or the biotech industry. It will not get a college grad in engineering a job. Like I said in my other post that was Dave Ramseys idea, stimulus of the private sector to retain jobs, is more important. Putting every egg into infrastructure improvement to me seems rash. I would settle for at least some in infrastructure improvement and some in the private sector.

It just “appears” to me like this is a spending package that is not unlike a large thank you note to the unions.

[SD Realtor]

Equalizer there needs to be a clarification between stimulus and spending. If you want to “spend” money, 350 million on this sort of stuff then simply call it that. However that sort of spending will not stimulate the telecom industry or the biotech industry. It will not get a college grad in engineering a job. Like I said in my other post that was Dave Ramseys idea, stimulus of the private sector to retain jobs, is more important. Putting every egg into infrastructure improvement to me seems rash. I would settle for at least some in infrastructure improvement and some in the private sector.

It just “appears” to me like this is a spending package that is not unlike a large thank you note to the unions.

[SD Realtor]

Equalizer there needs to be a clarification between stimulus and spending. If you want to “spend” money, 350 million on this sort of stuff then simply call it that. However that sort of spending will not stimulate the telecom industry or the biotech industry. It will not get a college grad in engineering a job. Like I said in my other post that was Dave Ramseys idea, stimulus of the private sector to retain jobs, is more important. Putting every egg into infrastructure improvement to me seems rash. I would settle for at least some in infrastructure improvement and some in the private sector.

It just “appears” to me like this is a spending package that is not unlike a large thank you note to the unions.

[barnaby33]

I wish they would speed the 5 expansion process/ toss dollars at it.. The 15 expansion has resulted in lightened traffic, the 5 needs the same expansion just as bad.

Just raise the tax on gas. That lightens traffic right there, without any environmental degredation! Simple fix and no multi-billion dollar expenditures need be made.

On another note, hybrids are a total red herring. So instead of dependence on foreign oil, you are toting around hundreds of pounds of lead acid batteries (charged by mostly coal fired power plants), how is that more environmentally friendly? The only real solution is less driving, but somehow no one ever wants to do that.
Josh

[barnaby33]

I wish they would speed the 5 expansion process/ toss dollars at it.. The 15 expansion has resulted in lightened traffic, the 5 needs the same expansion just as bad.

Just raise the tax on gas. That lightens traffic right there, without any environmental degredation! Simple fix and no multi-billion dollar expenditures need be made.

On another note, hybrids are a total red herring. So instead of dependence on foreign oil, you are toting around hundreds of pounds of lead acid batteries (charged by mostly coal fired power plants), how is that more environmentally friendly? The only real solution is less driving, but somehow no one ever wants to do that.
Josh

[barnaby33]

I wish they would speed the 5 expansion process/ toss dollars at it.. The 15 expansion has resulted in lightened traffic, the 5 needs the same expansion just as bad.

Just raise the tax on gas. That lightens traffic right there, without any environmental degredation! Simple fix and no multi-billion dollar expenditures need be made.

On another note, hybrids are a total red herring. So instead of dependence on foreign oil, you are toting around hundreds of pounds of lead acid batteries (charged by mostly coal fired power plants), how is that more environmentally friendly? The only real solution is less driving, but somehow no one ever wants to do that.
Josh

[barnaby33]

I wish they would speed the 5 expansion process/ toss dollars at it.. The 15 expansion has resulted in lightened traffic, the 5 needs the same expansion just as bad.

Just raise the tax on gas. That lightens traffic right there, without any environmental degredation! Simple fix and no multi-billion dollar expenditures need be made.

On another note, hybrids are a total red herring. So instead of dependence on foreign oil, you are toting around hundreds of pounds of lead acid batteries (charged by mostly coal fired power plants), how is that more environmentally friendly? The only real solution is less driving, but somehow no one ever wants to do that.
Josh

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