OT: Wal-Mart Watch.com

[Coronita]

And for walmart haters…

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN0728259520080807?rpc=44

Walmart misses. weep weep…

“NEW YORK, Aug 7 (Reuters) – Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) on Thursday reported a 3 percent rise in July sales at U.S. stores open at least a year, below Wall Street estimates, and issued a cautious forecast for August sales as shoppers run out of extra cash from tax rebate checks.”

[Coronita]

And for walmart haters…

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN0728259520080807?rpc=44

Walmart misses. weep weep…

“NEW YORK, Aug 7 (Reuters) – Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) on Thursday reported a 3 percent rise in July sales at U.S. stores open at least a year, below Wall Street estimates, and issued a cautious forecast for August sales as shoppers run out of extra cash from tax rebate checks.”

[Coronita]

luchabee,

I don’t think the issue is with discount shopping itself. Me personally, I’m always looking for bargains. The beef I have with Walmart is they are more than often in the news or spotlight over stupid sh!t concerning either employee benefits (or lack thereof), discrimination, questionable employment practices,etc. Things companies like Costco,Target,even BigLots are less in the spotlight of.

The fact that Walmart has overly large P.R. department who’s so purpose is to improve image of Walmart to me is a sign.

As far as low prices as walmart. Yes you find low prices, but you also find a lot of crap that arguably one doesn’t need. Not specific to Walmart, but dozens time i see folks loading up on absolute crap they don’t need, because it’s “cheap”, and these are things that usually end up at garage sales/Goodwill. The problem i see here is overconsumption. To this, I draw an analogy to one thing about American restaurants. Here in America, restaurants give utensils/napkins freely in the wide open. Since it doesn’t cost you the consumer anything, more than often I see folks take a stack of napkins, utensils,etc and inevitability throw the out without ever using them during the meal. People do this because they can..It’s free, it’s cheap, why not? Likewise, I’m not surprised seeing folks that exit places like Walmart loaded up on crap that they really don’t need. And these are the very people that really can’t be affording to be wasting money.

Personally, I’d rather pay a little more for fewer things I really want rather than pay a lot for a lot of little crappy things i don’t need.

Third, the allusion is that places like Walmart,Target,Costco are cheap..Not always the case, it depends. If you need to get something in a hurry, than generally Walmart/Costco are cheaper than other store’s regular price. BUT, if you ever plan accordingly, you can find much better deals by shopping around. I buy a lot of toiletry and stuff from Vons for example. Because usually when it goes on sale + coupons + Vons doubling coupons, I usually end up paying much less than target,walmart,costco. It doesn’t take a lot of effort to selectively shop, since most of the stores you have to go to regularly anyway.

4th, considering fuel prices. The nearest walmart for me is Clairemont. The nearest target is mira mesa, and the nearest costco are Carlesbad,CarmelMountain and Morena. With today’s gas prices, going there specfically to pay a few cents cheaper on toothpaste isn’t the most economic solution, while I could walk to Vons to get something a few cents more.

BTW: BigLots is awesome for little things here and there like christmas lights and baby bedsheets(Carter) and holiday cards.

I have never found Costco to be “cheap”. In fact, I find the food to be pretty expensive. Costco use to be cheap(er), it aint cheap anymore. My barometer is the 2 gallon concentrate oj from costco. Use to be 2 gallon for $4, now it’s closer to 2 gallon for $5.50, which is on par with Vons when vons has a sale, plus costco doesn’t take manufacturer coupons.

[Coronita]

luchabee,

I don’t think the issue is with discount shopping itself. Me personally, I’m always looking for bargains. The beef I have with Walmart is they are more than often in the news or spotlight over stupid sh!t concerning either employee benefits (or lack thereof), discrimination, questionable employment practices,etc. Things companies like Costco,Target,even BigLots are less in the spotlight of.

The fact that Walmart has overly large P.R. department who’s so purpose is to improve image of Walmart to me is a sign.

As far as low prices as walmart. Yes you find low prices, but you also find a lot of crap that arguably one doesn’t need. Not specific to Walmart, but dozens time i see folks loading up on absolute crap they don’t need, because it’s “cheap”, and these are things that usually end up at garage sales/Goodwill. The problem i see here is overconsumption. To this, I draw an analogy to one thing about American restaurants. Here in America, restaurants give utensils/napkins freely in the wide open. Since it doesn’t cost you the consumer anything, more than often I see folks take a stack of napkins, utensils,etc and inevitability throw the out without ever using them during the meal. People do this because they can..It’s free, it’s cheap, why not? Likewise, I’m not surprised seeing folks that exit places like Walmart loaded up on crap that they really don’t need. And these are the very people that really can’t be affording to be wasting money.

Personally, I’d rather pay a little more for fewer things I really want rather than pay a lot for a lot of little crappy things i don’t need.

Third, the allusion is that places like Walmart,Target,Costco are cheap..Not always the case, it depends. If you need to get something in a hurry, than generally Walmart/Costco are cheaper than other store’s regular price. BUT, if you ever plan accordingly, you can find much better deals by shopping around. I buy a lot of toiletry and stuff from Vons for example. Because usually when it goes on sale + coupons + Vons doubling coupons, I usually end up paying much less than target,walmart,costco. It doesn’t take a lot of effort to selectively shop, since most of the stores you have to go to regularly anyway.

4th, considering fuel prices. The nearest walmart for me is Clairemont. The nearest target is mira mesa, and the nearest costco are Carlesbad,CarmelMountain and Morena. With today’s gas prices, going there specfically to pay a few cents cheaper on toothpaste isn’t the most economic solution, while I could walk to Vons to get something a few cents more.

BTW: BigLots is awesome for little things here and there like christmas lights and baby bedsheets(Carter) and holiday cards.

I have never found Costco to be “cheap”. In fact, I find the food to be pretty expensive. Costco use to be cheap(er), it aint cheap anymore. My barometer is the 2 gallon concentrate oj from costco. Use to be 2 gallon for $4, now it’s closer to 2 gallon for $5.50, which is on par with Vons when vons has a sale, plus costco doesn’t take manufacturer coupons.

[Coronita]

luchabee,

I don’t think the issue is with discount shopping itself. Me personally, I’m always looking for bargains. The beef I have with Walmart is they are more than often in the news or spotlight over stupid sh!t concerning either employee benefits (or lack thereof), discrimination, questionable employment practices,etc. Things companies like Costco,Target,even BigLots are less in the spotlight of.

The fact that Walmart has overly large P.R. department who’s so purpose is to improve image of Walmart to me is a sign.

As far as low prices as walmart. Yes you find low prices, but you also find a lot of crap that arguably one doesn’t need. Not specific to Walmart, but dozens time i see folks loading up on absolute crap they don’t need, because it’s “cheap”, and these are things that usually end up at garage sales/Goodwill. The problem i see here is overconsumption. To this, I draw an analogy to one thing about American restaurants. Here in America, restaurants give utensils/napkins freely in the wide open. Since it doesn’t cost you the consumer anything, more than often I see folks take a stack of napkins, utensils,etc and inevitability throw the out without ever using them during the meal. People do this because they can..It’s free, it’s cheap, why not? Likewise, I’m not surprised seeing folks that exit places like Walmart loaded up on crap that they really don’t need. And these are the very people that really can’t be affording to be wasting money.

Personally, I’d rather pay a little more for fewer things I really want rather than pay a lot for a lot of little crappy things i don’t need.

Third, the allusion is that places like Walmart,Target,Costco are cheap..Not always the case, it depends. If you need to get something in a hurry, than generally Walmart/Costco are cheaper than other store’s regular price. BUT, if you ever plan accordingly, you can find much better deals by shopping around. I buy a lot of toiletry and stuff from Vons for example. Because usually when it goes on sale + coupons + Vons doubling coupons, I usually end up paying much less than target,walmart,costco. It doesn’t take a lot of effort to selectively shop, since most of the stores you have to go to regularly anyway.

4th, considering fuel prices. The nearest walmart for me is Clairemont. The nearest target is mira mesa, and the nearest costco are Carlesbad,CarmelMountain and Morena. With today’s gas prices, going there specfically to pay a few cents cheaper on toothpaste isn’t the most economic solution, while I could walk to Vons to get something a few cents more.

BTW: BigLots is awesome for little things here and there like christmas lights and baby bedsheets(Carter) and holiday cards.

I have never found Costco to be “cheap”. In fact, I find the food to be pretty expensive. Costco use to be cheap(er), it aint cheap anymore. My barometer is the 2 gallon concentrate oj from costco. Use to be 2 gallon for $4, now it’s closer to 2 gallon for $5.50, which is on par with Vons when vons has a sale, plus costco doesn’t take manufacturer coupons.

[Coronita]

luchabee,

I don’t think the issue is with discount shopping itself. Me personally, I’m always looking for bargains. The beef I have with Walmart is they are more than often in the news or spotlight over stupid sh!t concerning either employee benefits (or lack thereof), discrimination, questionable employment practices,etc. Things companies like Costco,Target,even BigLots are less in the spotlight of.

The fact that Walmart has overly large P.R. department who’s so purpose is to improve image of Walmart to me is a sign.

As far as low prices as walmart. Yes you find low prices, but you also find a lot of crap that arguably one doesn’t need. Not specific to Walmart, but dozens time i see folks loading up on absolute crap they don’t need, because it’s “cheap”, and these are things that usually end up at garage sales/Goodwill. The problem i see here is overconsumption. To this, I draw an analogy to one thing about American restaurants. Here in America, restaurants give utensils/napkins freely in the wide open. Since it doesn’t cost you the consumer anything, more than often I see folks take a stack of napkins, utensils,etc and inevitability throw the out without ever using them during the meal. People do this because they can..It’s free, it’s cheap, why not? Likewise, I’m not surprised seeing folks that exit places like Walmart loaded up on crap that they really don’t need. And these are the very people that really can’t be affording to be wasting money.

Personally, I’d rather pay a little more for fewer things I really want rather than pay a lot for a lot of little crappy things i don’t need.

Third, the allusion is that places like Walmart,Target,Costco are cheap..Not always the case, it depends. If you need to get something in a hurry, than generally Walmart/Costco are cheaper than other store’s regular price. BUT, if you ever plan accordingly, you can find much better deals by shopping around. I buy a lot of toiletry and stuff from Vons for example. Because usually when it goes on sale + coupons + Vons doubling coupons, I usually end up paying much less than target,walmart,costco. It doesn’t take a lot of effort to selectively shop, since most of the stores you have to go to regularly anyway.

4th, considering fuel prices. The nearest walmart for me is Clairemont. The nearest target is mira mesa, and the nearest costco are Carlesbad,CarmelMountain and Morena. With today’s gas prices, going there specfically to pay a few cents cheaper on toothpaste isn’t the most economic solution, while I could walk to Vons to get something a few cents more.

BTW: BigLots is awesome for little things here and there like christmas lights and baby bedsheets(Carter) and holiday cards.

I have never found Costco to be “cheap”. In fact, I find the food to be pretty expensive. Costco use to be cheap(er), it aint cheap anymore. My barometer is the 2 gallon concentrate oj from costco. Use to be 2 gallon for $4, now it’s closer to 2 gallon for $5.50, which is on par with Vons when vons has a sale, plus costco doesn’t take manufacturer coupons.

[Coronita]

luchabee,

I don’t think the issue is with discount shopping itself. Me personally, I’m always looking for bargains. The beef I have with Walmart is they are more than often in the news or spotlight over stupid sh!t concerning either employee benefits (or lack thereof), discrimination, questionable employment practices,etc. Things companies like Costco,Target,even BigLots are less in the spotlight of.

The fact that Walmart has overly large P.R. department who’s so purpose is to improve image of Walmart to me is a sign.

As far as low prices as walmart. Yes you find low prices, but you also find a lot of crap that arguably one doesn’t need. Not specific to Walmart, but dozens time i see folks loading up on absolute crap they don’t need, because it’s “cheap”, and these are things that usually end up at garage sales/Goodwill. The problem i see here is overconsumption. To this, I draw an analogy to one thing about American restaurants. Here in America, restaurants give utensils/napkins freely in the wide open. Since it doesn’t cost you the consumer anything, more than often I see folks take a stack of napkins, utensils,etc and inevitability throw the out without ever using them during the meal. People do this because they can..It’s free, it’s cheap, why not? Likewise, I’m not surprised seeing folks that exit places like Walmart loaded up on crap that they really don’t need. And these are the very people that really can’t be affording to be wasting money.

Personally, I’d rather pay a little more for fewer things I really want rather than pay a lot for a lot of little crappy things i don’t need.

Third, the allusion is that places like Walmart,Target,Costco are cheap..Not always the case, it depends. If you need to get something in a hurry, than generally Walmart/Costco are cheaper than other store’s regular price. BUT, if you ever plan accordingly, you can find much better deals by shopping around. I buy a lot of toiletry and stuff from Vons for example. Because usually when it goes on sale + coupons + Vons doubling coupons, I usually end up paying much less than target,walmart,costco. It doesn’t take a lot of effort to selectively shop, since most of the stores you have to go to regularly anyway.

4th, considering fuel prices. The nearest walmart for me is Clairemont. The nearest target is mira mesa, and the nearest costco are Carlesbad,CarmelMountain and Morena. With today’s gas prices, going there specfically to pay a few cents cheaper on toothpaste isn’t the most economic solution, while I could walk to Vons to get something a few cents more.

BTW: BigLots is awesome for little things here and there like christmas lights and baby bedsheets(Carter) and holiday cards.

I have never found Costco to be “cheap”. In fact, I find the food to be pretty expensive. Costco use to be cheap(er), it aint cheap anymore. My barometer is the 2 gallon concentrate oj from costco. Use to be 2 gallon for $4, now it’s closer to 2 gallon for $5.50, which is on par with Vons when vons has a sale, plus costco doesn’t take manufacturer coupons.

[vagabondo]

[quote=Shadowfax] There is no sense of “pride” in workers at a Walmart (that would encourage them to straighten up shelves, etc.) because they get the merest of compensation. If you pay at the bottom of the market and give no other incentives to workers (benefits), then they will do the bare minimum to get that paycheck. Ask for help? Are you kidding–they don’t want to talk to another rude, demanding, self-interested customer. There’s nothing in it for them…
[/quote]

You’re describing an expectations disconnect. These are not “head-of-household jobs”. Are you suggesting there is pay and benefit equality for a stock-boy when compared, for example, to a skilled machinist?

My 12 year old son can competently perform 80%+ of the tasks at any Wal-Mart retail location. With little training, I pay him $10 a week to do similar tasks in our household (taking out the trash, putting dishes on shelves, making his bed, etc.). By contrast, it would take him years to become accomplished running a lathe turning a high purity alloy.

This does not seem to be a question or issue of “pride”, rather, unjustified expectations affecting attitude.

[vagabondo]

[quote=Shadowfax] There is no sense of “pride” in workers at a Walmart (that would encourage them to straighten up shelves, etc.) because they get the merest of compensation. If you pay at the bottom of the market and give no other incentives to workers (benefits), then they will do the bare minimum to get that paycheck. Ask for help? Are you kidding–they don’t want to talk to another rude, demanding, self-interested customer. There’s nothing in it for them…
[/quote]

You’re describing an expectations disconnect. These are not “head-of-household jobs”. Are you suggesting there is pay and benefit equality for a stock-boy when compared, for example, to a skilled machinist?

My 12 year old son can competently perform 80%+ of the tasks at any Wal-Mart retail location. With little training, I pay him $10 a week to do similar tasks in our household (taking out the trash, putting dishes on shelves, making his bed, etc.). By contrast, it would take him years to become accomplished running a lathe turning a high purity alloy.

This does not seem to be a question or issue of “pride”, rather, unjustified expectations affecting attitude.

[vagabondo]

[quote=Shadowfax] There is no sense of “pride” in workers at a Walmart (that would encourage them to straighten up shelves, etc.) because they get the merest of compensation. If you pay at the bottom of the market and give no other incentives to workers (benefits), then they will do the bare minimum to get that paycheck. Ask for help? Are you kidding–they don’t want to talk to another rude, demanding, self-interested customer. There’s nothing in it for them…
[/quote]

You’re describing an expectations disconnect. These are not “head-of-household jobs”. Are you suggesting there is pay and benefit equality for a stock-boy when compared, for example, to a skilled machinist?

My 12 year old son can competently perform 80%+ of the tasks at any Wal-Mart retail location. With little training, I pay him $10 a week to do similar tasks in our household (taking out the trash, putting dishes on shelves, making his bed, etc.). By contrast, it would take him years to become accomplished running a lathe turning a high purity alloy.

This does not seem to be a question or issue of “pride”, rather, unjustified expectations affecting attitude.

[vagabondo]

[quote=Shadowfax] There is no sense of “pride” in workers at a Walmart (that would encourage them to straighten up shelves, etc.) because they get the merest of compensation. If you pay at the bottom of the market and give no other incentives to workers (benefits), then they will do the bare minimum to get that paycheck. Ask for help? Are you kidding–they don’t want to talk to another rude, demanding, self-interested customer. There’s nothing in it for them…
[/quote]

You’re describing an expectations disconnect. These are not “head-of-household jobs”. Are you suggesting there is pay and benefit equality for a stock-boy when compared, for example, to a skilled machinist?

My 12 year old son can competently perform 80%+ of the tasks at any Wal-Mart retail location. With little training, I pay him $10 a week to do similar tasks in our household (taking out the trash, putting dishes on shelves, making his bed, etc.). By contrast, it would take him years to become accomplished running a lathe turning a high purity alloy.

This does not seem to be a question or issue of “pride”, rather, unjustified expectations affecting attitude.

[vagabondo]

[quote=Shadowfax] There is no sense of “pride” in workers at a Walmart (that would encourage them to straighten up shelves, etc.) because they get the merest of compensation. If you pay at the bottom of the market and give no other incentives to workers (benefits), then they will do the bare minimum to get that paycheck. Ask for help? Are you kidding–they don’t want to talk to another rude, demanding, self-interested customer. There’s nothing in it for them…
[/quote]

You’re describing an expectations disconnect. These are not “head-of-household jobs”. Are you suggesting there is pay and benefit equality for a stock-boy when compared, for example, to a skilled machinist?

My 12 year old son can competently perform 80%+ of the tasks at any Wal-Mart retail location. With little training, I pay him $10 a week to do similar tasks in our household (taking out the trash, putting dishes on shelves, making his bed, etc.). By contrast, it would take him years to become accomplished running a lathe turning a high purity alloy.

This does not seem to be a question or issue of “pride”, rather, unjustified expectations affecting attitude.

[luchabee]

I can’t respond to the many specific complaints about Wal-Mart–though, in my opinion, most are general complaints about “large stores” and the American consumer having too many purchasing options–as if that is a bad thing.

As to Wal-Mart being the source of ills in modern society, including not paying “living wages” (see comments by vagabondo) and causing small American manufacturing businesses to close, this would have happened with or without Wal-Mart.

Naturally, the US economy faces significant competition. We’re not competitive and likely will never obtain the good jobs that were described above . . . making things much worse, businesses face tremendous regulations, high taxes, insane goverment spending, and an aging workforce.

Again, all of this is present with or without Wal-Mart. Targeting Wal-Mart and requiring them to substantially increase benefits will not create new, good jobs; it will only raise prices for the working American consumer and cause Wal-Mart to fire thousands of very low-skilled employees.

[luchabee]

I can’t respond to the many specific complaints about Wal-Mart–though, in my opinion, most are general complaints about “large stores” and the American consumer having too many purchasing options–as if that is a bad thing.

As to Wal-Mart being the source of ills in modern society, including not paying “living wages” (see comments by vagabondo) and causing small American manufacturing businesses to close, this would have happened with or without Wal-Mart.

Naturally, the US economy faces significant competition. We’re not competitive and likely will never obtain the good jobs that were described above . . . making things much worse, businesses face tremendous regulations, high taxes, insane goverment spending, and an aging workforce.

Again, all of this is present with or without Wal-Mart. Targeting Wal-Mart and requiring them to substantially increase benefits will not create new, good jobs; it will only raise prices for the working American consumer and cause Wal-Mart to fire thousands of very low-skilled employees.

[luchabee]

I can’t respond to the many specific complaints about Wal-Mart–though, in my opinion, most are general complaints about “large stores” and the American consumer having too many purchasing options–as if that is a bad thing.

As to Wal-Mart being the source of ills in modern society, including not paying “living wages” (see comments by vagabondo) and causing small American manufacturing businesses to close, this would have happened with or without Wal-Mart.

Naturally, the US economy faces significant competition. We’re not competitive and likely will never obtain the good jobs that were described above . . . making things much worse, businesses face tremendous regulations, high taxes, insane goverment spending, and an aging workforce.

Again, all of this is present with or without Wal-Mart. Targeting Wal-Mart and requiring them to substantially increase benefits will not create new, good jobs; it will only raise prices for the working American consumer and cause Wal-Mart to fire thousands of very low-skilled employees.

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