OT: The Propositions on the ballot in CA

[adelord]

regarding my checklist, these props fail:
1a, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, A, C, D
Prop A is especially offensive:
[quote]
San Diego County adopted a 2007-2008 budget of about $4.7 billion, over 8% higher than the previous year. County revenues have soared in recent years, but our Supervisors have chosen not to fund these firefighting improvements from their swollen budgets.
By supporting this tax, our Supervisors essentially are deciding that all other budget spending is more important than firefighting – that there isn’t $50 million to be found in a $4.7 BILLION county budget. That’s about ONE PERCENT of the budget.[/quote]
source: rebuttal against Prop A http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/sd/prop/A/

From my perspective only 7, 11, and 12 pass.
B may pass, but it isn’t on my ballot, so I’m not going to try to figure that one out.

Note that the costs of prop 12 are paid by the vets who get the loans, unless the vets default. I would rather that only combat vets were covered, but in a way that is splitting hairs (I meet the “combat vet” definition even though I was never in immediate danger while I was deployed in combat zones).

7 is hard to figure out, but I think I have a handle on what its consequences will be:

1. huge new solar-thermal generation facilities all over the deserts (the fast track process will make it harder for environmental groups to halt the destruction of desert habitat for these projects).
2. Higher electricty rates in the short term (10 years) — the cost of prop 7 will be in higher electricity rates, but the infrastructure built will have an exceptionally long functional life.
3. A drop in the price in photovoltaic cells as economies of scale kick in.
4. Framing the energy debate to where solar cell should be installed, and how decentralized the solar should be.
5. Job creation in SoCal at the expense of NoCal.
6. Local industry growth that will be able to fill the niche created by the eventual federal mandates that will come in five to ten years, if not sooner.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

From 10:

Provides $3.425 billion to help consumers and others purchase certain high fuel economy or alternative fuel vehicles, including natural gas vehicles, and to fund research into alternative fuel technology.

Ok sure Ill vote it in if some of that cash is allocated to take my gas inefficient tank away from me at no loss.

8 – had a conversation with some folks on this the other day. Im ok with partnership or whatever you want to call it and still think that marriage or the term/ bond of marriage should remain man/woman. Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject. Find equal ground to allow their unity, just call it something else to benefit the conservs.

Where is the prop for the beach booze ban? Maybe thats localized. I was at the OB octoberfest and some lady was walking around signing people up to vote and threw this subject into the conversation.

Edit – found the local props

http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/sd/prop/

[LAAFTERHOURS]

From 10:

Provides $3.425 billion to help consumers and others purchase certain high fuel economy or alternative fuel vehicles, including natural gas vehicles, and to fund research into alternative fuel technology.

Ok sure Ill vote it in if some of that cash is allocated to take my gas inefficient tank away from me at no loss.

8 – had a conversation with some folks on this the other day. Im ok with partnership or whatever you want to call it and still think that marriage or the term/ bond of marriage should remain man/woman. Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject. Find equal ground to allow their unity, just call it something else to benefit the conservs.

Where is the prop for the beach booze ban? Maybe thats localized. I was at the OB octoberfest and some lady was walking around signing people up to vote and threw this subject into the conversation.

Edit – found the local props

http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/sd/prop/

[LAAFTERHOURS]

From 10:

Provides $3.425 billion to help consumers and others purchase certain high fuel economy or alternative fuel vehicles, including natural gas vehicles, and to fund research into alternative fuel technology.

Ok sure Ill vote it in if some of that cash is allocated to take my gas inefficient tank away from me at no loss.

8 – had a conversation with some folks on this the other day. Im ok with partnership or whatever you want to call it and still think that marriage or the term/ bond of marriage should remain man/woman. Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject. Find equal ground to allow their unity, just call it something else to benefit the conservs.

Where is the prop for the beach booze ban? Maybe thats localized. I was at the OB octoberfest and some lady was walking around signing people up to vote and threw this subject into the conversation.

Edit – found the local props

http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/sd/prop/

[LAAFTERHOURS]

From 10:

Provides $3.425 billion to help consumers and others purchase certain high fuel economy or alternative fuel vehicles, including natural gas vehicles, and to fund research into alternative fuel technology.

Ok sure Ill vote it in if some of that cash is allocated to take my gas inefficient tank away from me at no loss.

8 – had a conversation with some folks on this the other day. Im ok with partnership or whatever you want to call it and still think that marriage or the term/ bond of marriage should remain man/woman. Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject. Find equal ground to allow their unity, just call it something else to benefit the conservs.

Where is the prop for the beach booze ban? Maybe thats localized. I was at the OB octoberfest and some lady was walking around signing people up to vote and threw this subject into the conversation.

Edit – found the local props

http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/sd/prop/

[LAAFTERHOURS]

From 10:

Provides $3.425 billion to help consumers and others purchase certain high fuel economy or alternative fuel vehicles, including natural gas vehicles, and to fund research into alternative fuel technology.

Ok sure Ill vote it in if some of that cash is allocated to take my gas inefficient tank away from me at no loss.

8 – had a conversation with some folks on this the other day. Im ok with partnership or whatever you want to call it and still think that marriage or the term/ bond of marriage should remain man/woman. Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject. Find equal ground to allow their unity, just call it something else to benefit the conservs.

Where is the prop for the beach booze ban? Maybe thats localized. I was at the OB octoberfest and some lady was walking around signing people up to vote and threw this subject into the conversation.

Edit – found the local props

http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/sd/prop/

[Anonymous]

Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject.

I agree, but I really don’t want to create a separate institution. Then we have to write a new set of laws, and if they don’t provide identical rights to marriages then we have a bunch of lawsuits about it. It also opens up discrimination lawsuits where civil unions aren’t treated the same as marriage. If it is identical then we are calling a duck a pig, just because we don’t like the name duck. It would probably be best to have the state just call everything a civil union and leave marriages to the church. However, the second best option is to just call everything marriage so we don’t have to set up a separate but equal institution.

[Anonymous]

Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject.

I agree, but I really don’t want to create a separate institution. Then we have to write a new set of laws, and if they don’t provide identical rights to marriages then we have a bunch of lawsuits about it. It also opens up discrimination lawsuits where civil unions aren’t treated the same as marriage. If it is identical then we are calling a duck a pig, just because we don’t like the name duck. It would probably be best to have the state just call everything a civil union and leave marriages to the church. However, the second best option is to just call everything marriage so we don’t have to set up a separate but equal institution.

[Anonymous]

Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject.

I agree, but I really don’t want to create a separate institution. Then we have to write a new set of laws, and if they don’t provide identical rights to marriages then we have a bunch of lawsuits about it. It also opens up discrimination lawsuits where civil unions aren’t treated the same as marriage. If it is identical then we are calling a duck a pig, just because we don’t like the name duck. It would probably be best to have the state just call everything a civil union and leave marriages to the church. However, the second best option is to just call everything marriage so we don’t have to set up a separate but equal institution.

[Anonymous]

Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject.

I agree, but I really don’t want to create a separate institution. Then we have to write a new set of laws, and if they don’t provide identical rights to marriages then we have a bunch of lawsuits about it. It also opens up discrimination lawsuits where civil unions aren’t treated the same as marriage. If it is identical then we are calling a duck a pig, just because we don’t like the name duck. It would probably be best to have the state just call everything a civil union and leave marriages to the church. However, the second best option is to just call everything marriage so we don’t have to set up a separate but equal institution.

[Anonymous]

Lets find another term for man/man woman/woman since so many people are up in arms over this subject.

I agree, but I really don’t want to create a separate institution. Then we have to write a new set of laws, and if they don’t provide identical rights to marriages then we have a bunch of lawsuits about it. It also opens up discrimination lawsuits where civil unions aren’t treated the same as marriage. If it is identical then we are calling a duck a pig, just because we don’t like the name duck. It would probably be best to have the state just call everything a civil union and leave marriages to the church. However, the second best option is to just call everything marriage so we don’t have to set up a separate but equal institution.

[cr]

Wasn’t going to get into 8, but I’m surprised by some what I read here.

Where do you stop?

What’s to stop 3 men from marrying? 2 men and a woman? A man his dog? An adult and a child? And so on…

The defining of marriage is a family values issue before it’s a civil rights issue. This bill would have never made the books 50 years ago, and look at the degradation of our society since then. I’m sure some wise-ass liberal on here will look back and find a racist or biggotist quote from that time period but it doesn’t change the fact that American values have eroded, and this furthers that erosion.

Other comments:
Proposition 1A High speed passenger train Bond – Too expensive. Spend it on education.

Proposition 3 Children’s hospital Bond Act. – There’s already money set aside for this

Proposition 4 Waiting period and Parental notification before Minor’s abortion. – see above.

Proposition 6 – Spend this money on schools, (sports, arts programs, etc) and you’ll have less criminals in the first place.

Proposition 7 Renewable engergy generation – will almost definately raise energy costs. Let the Federal government fund the alternative energy search.

Proposition 10 Alternative Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy. – Boone Pockets, I mean Pickens

You don’t have to agree with me, I just wish everyone know more about these.

Glad to see people taking time to read up on them.

[cr]

Wasn’t going to get into 8, but I’m surprised by some what I read here.

Where do you stop?

What’s to stop 3 men from marrying? 2 men and a woman? A man his dog? An adult and a child? And so on…

The defining of marriage is a family values issue before it’s a civil rights issue. This bill would have never made the books 50 years ago, and look at the degradation of our society since then. I’m sure some wise-ass liberal on here will look back and find a racist or biggotist quote from that time period but it doesn’t change the fact that American values have eroded, and this furthers that erosion.

Other comments:
Proposition 1A High speed passenger train Bond – Too expensive. Spend it on education.

Proposition 3 Children’s hospital Bond Act. – There’s already money set aside for this

Proposition 4 Waiting period and Parental notification before Minor’s abortion. – see above.

Proposition 6 – Spend this money on schools, (sports, arts programs, etc) and you’ll have less criminals in the first place.

Proposition 7 Renewable engergy generation – will almost definately raise energy costs. Let the Federal government fund the alternative energy search.

Proposition 10 Alternative Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy. – Boone Pockets, I mean Pickens

You don’t have to agree with me, I just wish everyone know more about these.

Glad to see people taking time to read up on them.

[cr]

Wasn’t going to get into 8, but I’m surprised by some what I read here.

Where do you stop?

What’s to stop 3 men from marrying? 2 men and a woman? A man his dog? An adult and a child? And so on…

The defining of marriage is a family values issue before it’s a civil rights issue. This bill would have never made the books 50 years ago, and look at the degradation of our society since then. I’m sure some wise-ass liberal on here will look back and find a racist or biggotist quote from that time period but it doesn’t change the fact that American values have eroded, and this furthers that erosion.

Other comments:
Proposition 1A High speed passenger train Bond – Too expensive. Spend it on education.

Proposition 3 Children’s hospital Bond Act. – There’s already money set aside for this

Proposition 4 Waiting period and Parental notification before Minor’s abortion. – see above.

Proposition 6 – Spend this money on schools, (sports, arts programs, etc) and you’ll have less criminals in the first place.

Proposition 7 Renewable engergy generation – will almost definately raise energy costs. Let the Federal government fund the alternative energy search.

Proposition 10 Alternative Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy. – Boone Pockets, I mean Pickens

You don’t have to agree with me, I just wish everyone know more about these.

Glad to see people taking time to read up on them.

[cr]

Wasn’t going to get into 8, but I’m surprised by some what I read here.

Where do you stop?

What’s to stop 3 men from marrying? 2 men and a woman? A man his dog? An adult and a child? And so on…

The defining of marriage is a family values issue before it’s a civil rights issue. This bill would have never made the books 50 years ago, and look at the degradation of our society since then. I’m sure some wise-ass liberal on here will look back and find a racist or biggotist quote from that time period but it doesn’t change the fact that American values have eroded, and this furthers that erosion.

Other comments:
Proposition 1A High speed passenger train Bond – Too expensive. Spend it on education.

Proposition 3 Children’s hospital Bond Act. – There’s already money set aside for this

Proposition 4 Waiting period and Parental notification before Minor’s abortion. – see above.

Proposition 6 – Spend this money on schools, (sports, arts programs, etc) and you’ll have less criminals in the first place.

Proposition 7 Renewable engergy generation – will almost definately raise energy costs. Let the Federal government fund the alternative energy search.

Proposition 10 Alternative Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy. – Boone Pockets, I mean Pickens

You don’t have to agree with me, I just wish everyone know more about these.

Glad to see people taking time to read up on them.

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