OT: Temecula shooting after Rod Run

[paramount]

I’m sure different versions of what happened will emerge – and it makes little difference to me if the person being assaulted was a cop or not as anyone in that circumstance has a right to defend themselves.

Assuming that is actually what happened.

Also, we don’t even know if the person killed was actually involved in the alleged assault.

[paramount]

I’m sure different versions of what happened will emerge – and it makes little difference to me if the person being assaulted was a cop or not as anyone in that circumstance has a right to defend themselves.

Assuming that is actually what happened.

Also, we don’t even know if the person killed was actually involved in the alleged assault.

[newguy]

This is what I read in the news:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=6008525

TEMECULA (KABC) — Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.

Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.
Shawn Velan, 30, was shot and killed Saturday night in Temecula by an off-duty Costa Mesa police officer.
“At about 7:20 P.M., officers from the Temecula Police Department responded to a 245 — assault with a deadly weapon  call in the area. The responded to a restaurant-type bar and located two victims of a gunshot shooting,” Riverside Sheriff’s Deputy Craig Roberts said.

Police say it all started while people were out celebrating the end of a popular annual hot rod car show.
Velan and his friends were at a Mexican restaurant when witnesses say the officer inappropriately touched a female friend.

“She turned around and said, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘Oh, I thought you were my sister.’ Then Shawn stood up for her and said, ‘Don’t touch her like that,'” said Dara Lewenthal, the victim’s girlfriend who witnessed the altercation.
Police say the shooting eventually took place outside the restaurant where the officer pulled out a gun and shot Velan and his friend. Lewenthal says Velan’s 7-year-old son was standing right next to his father when he was shot.
“(The officer) just pulled out a gun and started shooting. He hit Shawn and shot (his friend) in the leg, which is (his son’s) height,” Lewenthal said.

“I’m sure an officer is trained to shoot-to-kill and that’s what he did. Just full-on shot him in the chest. Just blew his chest apart,” Karen Crowley, the victim’s mother, said.
Velan’s friend Taylor is in critical condition at a local hospital. The police officer was also injured in the shooting but has been released from the hospital.
It’s unclear if any charges will be filed against the officer.

Police are still trying to piece together what exactly happened, so if you have any information you’re asked to call the Temecula Police Dept. at (951) 696-300

[newguy]

This is what I read in the news:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=6008525

TEMECULA (KABC) — Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.

Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.
Shawn Velan, 30, was shot and killed Saturday night in Temecula by an off-duty Costa Mesa police officer.
“At about 7:20 P.M., officers from the Temecula Police Department responded to a 245 — assault with a deadly weapon  call in the area. The responded to a restaurant-type bar and located two victims of a gunshot shooting,” Riverside Sheriff’s Deputy Craig Roberts said.

Police say it all started while people were out celebrating the end of a popular annual hot rod car show.
Velan and his friends were at a Mexican restaurant when witnesses say the officer inappropriately touched a female friend.

“She turned around and said, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘Oh, I thought you were my sister.’ Then Shawn stood up for her and said, ‘Don’t touch her like that,'” said Dara Lewenthal, the victim’s girlfriend who witnessed the altercation.
Police say the shooting eventually took place outside the restaurant where the officer pulled out a gun and shot Velan and his friend. Lewenthal says Velan’s 7-year-old son was standing right next to his father when he was shot.
“(The officer) just pulled out a gun and started shooting. He hit Shawn and shot (his friend) in the leg, which is (his son’s) height,” Lewenthal said.

“I’m sure an officer is trained to shoot-to-kill and that’s what he did. Just full-on shot him in the chest. Just blew his chest apart,” Karen Crowley, the victim’s mother, said.
Velan’s friend Taylor is in critical condition at a local hospital. The police officer was also injured in the shooting but has been released from the hospital.
It’s unclear if any charges will be filed against the officer.

Police are still trying to piece together what exactly happened, so if you have any information you’re asked to call the Temecula Police Dept. at (951) 696-300

[newguy]

This is what I read in the news:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=6008525

TEMECULA (KABC) — Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.

Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.
Shawn Velan, 30, was shot and killed Saturday night in Temecula by an off-duty Costa Mesa police officer.
“At about 7:20 P.M., officers from the Temecula Police Department responded to a 245 — assault with a deadly weapon  call in the area. The responded to a restaurant-type bar and located two victims of a gunshot shooting,” Riverside Sheriff’s Deputy Craig Roberts said.

Police say it all started while people were out celebrating the end of a popular annual hot rod car show.
Velan and his friends were at a Mexican restaurant when witnesses say the officer inappropriately touched a female friend.

“She turned around and said, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘Oh, I thought you were my sister.’ Then Shawn stood up for her and said, ‘Don’t touch her like that,'” said Dara Lewenthal, the victim’s girlfriend who witnessed the altercation.
Police say the shooting eventually took place outside the restaurant where the officer pulled out a gun and shot Velan and his friend. Lewenthal says Velan’s 7-year-old son was standing right next to his father when he was shot.
“(The officer) just pulled out a gun and started shooting. He hit Shawn and shot (his friend) in the leg, which is (his son’s) height,” Lewenthal said.

“I’m sure an officer is trained to shoot-to-kill and that’s what he did. Just full-on shot him in the chest. Just blew his chest apart,” Karen Crowley, the victim’s mother, said.
Velan’s friend Taylor is in critical condition at a local hospital. The police officer was also injured in the shooting but has been released from the hospital.
It’s unclear if any charges will be filed against the officer.

Police are still trying to piece together what exactly happened, so if you have any information you’re asked to call the Temecula Police Dept. at (951) 696-300

[newguy]

This is what I read in the news:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=6008525

TEMECULA (KABC) — Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.

Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.
Shawn Velan, 30, was shot and killed Saturday night in Temecula by an off-duty Costa Mesa police officer.
“At about 7:20 P.M., officers from the Temecula Police Department responded to a 245 — assault with a deadly weapon  call in the area. The responded to a restaurant-type bar and located two victims of a gunshot shooting,” Riverside Sheriff’s Deputy Craig Roberts said.

Police say it all started while people were out celebrating the end of a popular annual hot rod car show.
Velan and his friends were at a Mexican restaurant when witnesses say the officer inappropriately touched a female friend.

“She turned around and said, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘Oh, I thought you were my sister.’ Then Shawn stood up for her and said, ‘Don’t touch her like that,'” said Dara Lewenthal, the victim’s girlfriend who witnessed the altercation.
Police say the shooting eventually took place outside the restaurant where the officer pulled out a gun and shot Velan and his friend. Lewenthal says Velan’s 7-year-old son was standing right next to his father when he was shot.
“(The officer) just pulled out a gun and started shooting. He hit Shawn and shot (his friend) in the leg, which is (his son’s) height,” Lewenthal said.

“I’m sure an officer is trained to shoot-to-kill and that’s what he did. Just full-on shot him in the chest. Just blew his chest apart,” Karen Crowley, the victim’s mother, said.
Velan’s friend Taylor is in critical condition at a local hospital. The police officer was also injured in the shooting but has been released from the hospital.
It’s unclear if any charges will be filed against the officer.

Police are still trying to piece together what exactly happened, so if you have any information you’re asked to call the Temecula Police Dept. at (951) 696-300

[newguy]

This is what I read in the news:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=6008525

TEMECULA (KABC) — Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.

Family members of a man killed by an off-duty police officer in Temecula are speaking out about the incident.
Shawn Velan, 30, was shot and killed Saturday night in Temecula by an off-duty Costa Mesa police officer.
“At about 7:20 P.M., officers from the Temecula Police Department responded to a 245 — assault with a deadly weapon  call in the area. The responded to a restaurant-type bar and located two victims of a gunshot shooting,” Riverside Sheriff’s Deputy Craig Roberts said.

Police say it all started while people were out celebrating the end of a popular annual hot rod car show.
Velan and his friends were at a Mexican restaurant when witnesses say the officer inappropriately touched a female friend.

“She turned around and said, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘Oh, I thought you were my sister.’ Then Shawn stood up for her and said, ‘Don’t touch her like that,'” said Dara Lewenthal, the victim’s girlfriend who witnessed the altercation.
Police say the shooting eventually took place outside the restaurant where the officer pulled out a gun and shot Velan and his friend. Lewenthal says Velan’s 7-year-old son was standing right next to his father when he was shot.
“(The officer) just pulled out a gun and started shooting. He hit Shawn and shot (his friend) in the leg, which is (his son’s) height,” Lewenthal said.

“I’m sure an officer is trained to shoot-to-kill and that’s what he did. Just full-on shot him in the chest. Just blew his chest apart,” Karen Crowley, the victim’s mother, said.
Velan’s friend Taylor is in critical condition at a local hospital. The police officer was also injured in the shooting but has been released from the hospital.
It’s unclear if any charges will be filed against the officer.

Police are still trying to piece together what exactly happened, so if you have any information you’re asked to call the Temecula Police Dept. at (951) 696-300

[hipmatt]

Maybe some of you should read this article:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/03/11/news/californian/22_35_383_9_08.txt before you think that this killing was justified and that this dead guy Shaun should have more bullets in his body.

“They said they observed the officer drinking and eventually leaving the restaurant. When Vilan and his party left, the officer and his friends appeared to be waiting for them outside, they said.” … hardly sounds like 5 against one law enforcing cop

I don’t know about you, but a drunk off duty cop shouldn’t be carrying weapons, or inappropriately touching strange women on their ass, or waiting outside a bar with their buddies for someone else to exit and confront.

None of the witnesses saw FIVE men attacking this cop. The cop escaped with MINOR head injuries and was released quickly. According to this article the cop never even hit the ground and wasn’t kicked in the face.

“Some say no punches were thrown, just words. Others say there was a minor scuffle or a bit of pushing. Another said it was sort of like a mosh pit situation for a second.

But everyone is clear on one thing: Not long after the confrontation, about five shots rang out, Vilan was hit in the chest, and one of his acquaintances was shot in the leg.”

Sorry, but this doesn’t sound like a threat to human life, and doesn’t even constitute pulling a firearm in a populated public place while intoxicated. I’m not saying this guy Shaun was a model citizen, or even that he was wasn’t acting out of line, but these types of things happen all the time and don’t end in an unarmed man being shot in front of his family and friends. I do want the truth to come out, justice to be served, and my heart goes out to the family and friends. It sounds like this guy was starting to change his life for the better. His brother, son, girl friend, and possibly his mother were all there to witness the end of his life.

This doesn’t sound right to me. If this report is right, then this is more like a murder, and needs to be treated as such. This Shawn deserves better and I hope the truth comes out. I’m trying not to take sides, but logically this seems unnecessary.

It is very possible that this is the case of an egotistical and trigger happy cop who felt that he could do no wrong and was above the law. They do exist, and sadly some look forward to the day when they can kill another. This guy may have been looking for trouble too. If he really was concerned, he should have notified on duty local police instead of waiting outside with his friends.

[hipmatt]

Maybe some of you should read this article:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/03/11/news/californian/22_35_383_9_08.txt before you think that this killing was justified and that this dead guy Shaun should have more bullets in his body.

“They said they observed the officer drinking and eventually leaving the restaurant. When Vilan and his party left, the officer and his friends appeared to be waiting for them outside, they said.” … hardly sounds like 5 against one law enforcing cop

I don’t know about you, but a drunk off duty cop shouldn’t be carrying weapons, or inappropriately touching strange women on their ass, or waiting outside a bar with their buddies for someone else to exit and confront.

None of the witnesses saw FIVE men attacking this cop. The cop escaped with MINOR head injuries and was released quickly. According to this article the cop never even hit the ground and wasn’t kicked in the face.

“Some say no punches were thrown, just words. Others say there was a minor scuffle or a bit of pushing. Another said it was sort of like a mosh pit situation for a second.

But everyone is clear on one thing: Not long after the confrontation, about five shots rang out, Vilan was hit in the chest, and one of his acquaintances was shot in the leg.”

Sorry, but this doesn’t sound like a threat to human life, and doesn’t even constitute pulling a firearm in a populated public place while intoxicated. I’m not saying this guy Shaun was a model citizen, or even that he was wasn’t acting out of line, but these types of things happen all the time and don’t end in an unarmed man being shot in front of his family and friends. I do want the truth to come out, justice to be served, and my heart goes out to the family and friends. It sounds like this guy was starting to change his life for the better. His brother, son, girl friend, and possibly his mother were all there to witness the end of his life.

This doesn’t sound right to me. If this report is right, then this is more like a murder, and needs to be treated as such. This Shawn deserves better and I hope the truth comes out. I’m trying not to take sides, but logically this seems unnecessary.

It is very possible that this is the case of an egotistical and trigger happy cop who felt that he could do no wrong and was above the law. They do exist, and sadly some look forward to the day when they can kill another. This guy may have been looking for trouble too. If he really was concerned, he should have notified on duty local police instead of waiting outside with his friends.

[hipmatt]

Maybe some of you should read this article:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/03/11/news/californian/22_35_383_9_08.txt before you think that this killing was justified and that this dead guy Shaun should have more bullets in his body.

“They said they observed the officer drinking and eventually leaving the restaurant. When Vilan and his party left, the officer and his friends appeared to be waiting for them outside, they said.” … hardly sounds like 5 against one law enforcing cop

I don’t know about you, but a drunk off duty cop shouldn’t be carrying weapons, or inappropriately touching strange women on their ass, or waiting outside a bar with their buddies for someone else to exit and confront.

None of the witnesses saw FIVE men attacking this cop. The cop escaped with MINOR head injuries and was released quickly. According to this article the cop never even hit the ground and wasn’t kicked in the face.

“Some say no punches were thrown, just words. Others say there was a minor scuffle or a bit of pushing. Another said it was sort of like a mosh pit situation for a second.

But everyone is clear on one thing: Not long after the confrontation, about five shots rang out, Vilan was hit in the chest, and one of his acquaintances was shot in the leg.”

Sorry, but this doesn’t sound like a threat to human life, and doesn’t even constitute pulling a firearm in a populated public place while intoxicated. I’m not saying this guy Shaun was a model citizen, or even that he was wasn’t acting out of line, but these types of things happen all the time and don’t end in an unarmed man being shot in front of his family and friends. I do want the truth to come out, justice to be served, and my heart goes out to the family and friends. It sounds like this guy was starting to change his life for the better. His brother, son, girl friend, and possibly his mother were all there to witness the end of his life.

This doesn’t sound right to me. If this report is right, then this is more like a murder, and needs to be treated as such. This Shawn deserves better and I hope the truth comes out. I’m trying not to take sides, but logically this seems unnecessary.

It is very possible that this is the case of an egotistical and trigger happy cop who felt that he could do no wrong and was above the law. They do exist, and sadly some look forward to the day when they can kill another. This guy may have been looking for trouble too. If he really was concerned, he should have notified on duty local police instead of waiting outside with his friends.

[hipmatt]

Maybe some of you should read this article:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/03/11/news/californian/22_35_383_9_08.txt before you think that this killing was justified and that this dead guy Shaun should have more bullets in his body.

“They said they observed the officer drinking and eventually leaving the restaurant. When Vilan and his party left, the officer and his friends appeared to be waiting for them outside, they said.” … hardly sounds like 5 against one law enforcing cop

I don’t know about you, but a drunk off duty cop shouldn’t be carrying weapons, or inappropriately touching strange women on their ass, or waiting outside a bar with their buddies for someone else to exit and confront.

None of the witnesses saw FIVE men attacking this cop. The cop escaped with MINOR head injuries and was released quickly. According to this article the cop never even hit the ground and wasn’t kicked in the face.

“Some say no punches were thrown, just words. Others say there was a minor scuffle or a bit of pushing. Another said it was sort of like a mosh pit situation for a second.

But everyone is clear on one thing: Not long after the confrontation, about five shots rang out, Vilan was hit in the chest, and one of his acquaintances was shot in the leg.”

Sorry, but this doesn’t sound like a threat to human life, and doesn’t even constitute pulling a firearm in a populated public place while intoxicated. I’m not saying this guy Shaun was a model citizen, or even that he was wasn’t acting out of line, but these types of things happen all the time and don’t end in an unarmed man being shot in front of his family and friends. I do want the truth to come out, justice to be served, and my heart goes out to the family and friends. It sounds like this guy was starting to change his life for the better. His brother, son, girl friend, and possibly his mother were all there to witness the end of his life.

This doesn’t sound right to me. If this report is right, then this is more like a murder, and needs to be treated as such. This Shawn deserves better and I hope the truth comes out. I’m trying not to take sides, but logically this seems unnecessary.

It is very possible that this is the case of an egotistical and trigger happy cop who felt that he could do no wrong and was above the law. They do exist, and sadly some look forward to the day when they can kill another. This guy may have been looking for trouble too. If he really was concerned, he should have notified on duty local police instead of waiting outside with his friends.

[hipmatt]

Maybe some of you should read this article:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/03/11/news/californian/22_35_383_9_08.txt before you think that this killing was justified and that this dead guy Shaun should have more bullets in his body.

“They said they observed the officer drinking and eventually leaving the restaurant. When Vilan and his party left, the officer and his friends appeared to be waiting for them outside, they said.” … hardly sounds like 5 against one law enforcing cop

I don’t know about you, but a drunk off duty cop shouldn’t be carrying weapons, or inappropriately touching strange women on their ass, or waiting outside a bar with their buddies for someone else to exit and confront.

None of the witnesses saw FIVE men attacking this cop. The cop escaped with MINOR head injuries and was released quickly. According to this article the cop never even hit the ground and wasn’t kicked in the face.

“Some say no punches were thrown, just words. Others say there was a minor scuffle or a bit of pushing. Another said it was sort of like a mosh pit situation for a second.

But everyone is clear on one thing: Not long after the confrontation, about five shots rang out, Vilan was hit in the chest, and one of his acquaintances was shot in the leg.”

Sorry, but this doesn’t sound like a threat to human life, and doesn’t even constitute pulling a firearm in a populated public place while intoxicated. I’m not saying this guy Shaun was a model citizen, or even that he was wasn’t acting out of line, but these types of things happen all the time and don’t end in an unarmed man being shot in front of his family and friends. I do want the truth to come out, justice to be served, and my heart goes out to the family and friends. It sounds like this guy was starting to change his life for the better. His brother, son, girl friend, and possibly his mother were all there to witness the end of his life.

This doesn’t sound right to me. If this report is right, then this is more like a murder, and needs to be treated as such. This Shawn deserves better and I hope the truth comes out. I’m trying not to take sides, but logically this seems unnecessary.

It is very possible that this is the case of an egotistical and trigger happy cop who felt that he could do no wrong and was above the law. They do exist, and sadly some look forward to the day when they can kill another. This guy may have been looking for trouble too. If he really was concerned, he should have notified on duty local police instead of waiting outside with his friends.

[Anonymous]

My nephew saw the whole thing. officer walked out and 3 men attacked him and beat him to the ground punching and kicking him in the head. The officer identified himself and the 3 men didnt care, they kept beating the officer. The officer pulled his weapon and started shooting. The officer look pretty beatup. They had to give him stitches.

Getting beat down by 3 people at once, i would consider that life threating, if i had a gun i would start shooting to defend myself. Kill or be killed.

[Anonymous]

My nephew saw the whole thing. officer walked out and 3 men attacked him and beat him to the ground punching and kicking him in the head. The officer identified himself and the 3 men didnt care, they kept beating the officer. The officer pulled his weapon and started shooting. The officer look pretty beatup. They had to give him stitches.

Getting beat down by 3 people at once, i would consider that life threating, if i had a gun i would start shooting to defend myself. Kill or be killed.

[Anonymous]

My nephew saw the whole thing. officer walked out and 3 men attacked him and beat him to the ground punching and kicking him in the head. The officer identified himself and the 3 men didnt care, they kept beating the officer. The officer pulled his weapon and started shooting. The officer look pretty beatup. They had to give him stitches.

Getting beat down by 3 people at once, i would consider that life threating, if i had a gun i would start shooting to defend myself. Kill or be killed.

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