OT: Temecula mosque gains commission’s approval

[SK in CV]

[quote=Ren]
[quote=SK in CV]Beyond that, are you aware that there are significantly MORE Muslims living outside the middle east than in that area? There are somewhere in the neighborhood of a billion Muslims in the world. Are they all culturally backwards, or just those that reside in the middle east?[/quote]

I was referring to the source of much of the problem, which is the middle east. I believe I was also clear that the vast majority of muslims wouldn’t consider terrorism, and I never said that ALL muslims are culturally backwards. I also never claimed that we’re culturally perfect, but on average culturally and morally superior than many parts of the middle east? Do you honestly think otherwise?

[/quote]

So if the problem, in your mind, is the middle east, what does that have to do with Muslims? Just pick a common denominator and smear away?

And to answer your question, no. You may like the culture you live in. I may like the culture I live in. But it’s subjective. I’ve experienced many, but only lived in one. I can’t the claim that it’s superior. And morally superior? Eh. I’m not bullet proof. I can’t make that claim either.

[surveyor]

Vote by feet

[quote=SK in CV]
And to answer your question, no. You may like the culture you live in. I may like the culture I live in. But it’s subjective. I’ve experienced many, but only lived in one. I can’t the claim that it’s superior. And morally superior? Eh. I’m not bullet proof. I can’t make that claim either.[/quote]

There’s always the vote by feet test.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124028/700-Million-Worldwide-Desire-Migrate-Permanently.aspx

“The United States is the top desired destination country for the 700 million adults who would like to relocate permanently to another country. Nearly one-quarter (24%) of these respondents, which translates to more than 165 million adults worldwide, name the United States as their desired future residence. ”

That’s a pretty good indication of a superior culture. People want to go live in it.

[surveyor]

Vote by feet

[quote=SK in CV]
And to answer your question, no. You may like the culture you live in. I may like the culture I live in. But it’s subjective. I’ve experienced many, but only lived in one. I can’t the claim that it’s superior. And morally superior? Eh. I’m not bullet proof. I can’t make that claim either.[/quote]

There’s always the vote by feet test.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124028/700-Million-Worldwide-Desire-Migrate-Permanently.aspx

“The United States is the top desired destination country for the 700 million adults who would like to relocate permanently to another country. Nearly one-quarter (24%) of these respondents, which translates to more than 165 million adults worldwide, name the United States as their desired future residence. ”

That’s a pretty good indication of a superior culture. People want to go live in it.

[surveyor]

Vote by feet

[quote=SK in CV]
And to answer your question, no. You may like the culture you live in. I may like the culture I live in. But it’s subjective. I’ve experienced many, but only lived in one. I can’t the claim that it’s superior. And morally superior? Eh. I’m not bullet proof. I can’t make that claim either.[/quote]

There’s always the vote by feet test.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124028/700-Million-Worldwide-Desire-Migrate-Permanently.aspx

“The United States is the top desired destination country for the 700 million adults who would like to relocate permanently to another country. Nearly one-quarter (24%) of these respondents, which translates to more than 165 million adults worldwide, name the United States as their desired future residence. ”

That’s a pretty good indication of a superior culture. People want to go live in it.

[surveyor]

Vote by feet

[quote=SK in CV]
And to answer your question, no. You may like the culture you live in. I may like the culture I live in. But it’s subjective. I’ve experienced many, but only lived in one. I can’t the claim that it’s superior. And morally superior? Eh. I’m not bullet proof. I can’t make that claim either.[/quote]

There’s always the vote by feet test.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124028/700-Million-Worldwide-Desire-Migrate-Permanently.aspx

“The United States is the top desired destination country for the 700 million adults who would like to relocate permanently to another country. Nearly one-quarter (24%) of these respondents, which translates to more than 165 million adults worldwide, name the United States as their desired future residence. ”

That’s a pretty good indication of a superior culture. People want to go live in it.

[surveyor]

Vote by feet

[quote=SK in CV]
And to answer your question, no. You may like the culture you live in. I may like the culture I live in. But it’s subjective. I’ve experienced many, but only lived in one. I can’t the claim that it’s superior. And morally superior? Eh. I’m not bullet proof. I can’t make that claim either.[/quote]

There’s always the vote by feet test.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124028/700-Million-Worldwide-Desire-Migrate-Permanently.aspx

“The United States is the top desired destination country for the 700 million adults who would like to relocate permanently to another country. Nearly one-quarter (24%) of these respondents, which translates to more than 165 million adults worldwide, name the United States as their desired future residence. ”

That’s a pretty good indication of a superior culture. People want to go live in it.

[LuckyInOC]

First off, I agree the muslems can build their mosque in the US under freedom of religion, just as Nazis and the KKK have a right to build a meeting hall. However, it does not allow them the right to plot, conspire, and act out against any other group of citizens for their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

[quote=Ren]Oh, I’m not torn enough that I don’t agree with you.

I’m only torn on whether or not we would be better off with a benevolent dictatorship, with Me at the helm.[/quote]

This sounds like someone from the past – Saddam…

He was a benevolent dictaorship that allowed sunnis, shiites, and christians to live in peace. Only because he ruled the country with an iron fist and did not want any group to assert his power of death and control. Everyone knew in Iraq, if you were killed, it was because Saddam or his regime wanted you killed. There was no terrorism except that from the State. Now that Saddam has been displaced and no freedom of religion was not put into Iraq’s constitutional law, the christians are being displaced by mainly the shiites. In Iraq, most sunnis accept the christians and do not actively pursecute them.

The sunnis rely on the christian in two ways. First, the christians are a buffer from the shiites. The shiites will more readily attack the christians than their bothers of Islam. However, once most of the christians are removed, the focus of the more attacks will be against the sunnis. Second, from the time of babylonia, the chaldeans-assyrian have been a source of business and entrepreneurial capitalistic spirit.

[quote=Ren]The “out of context” thing isn’t an excuse, and it is true, although of course that doesn’t help solve the problem. In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. In other words, exactly what they’re doing now, which is what Christians did for centuries. It’s the primitive thinking of the people, not the religion, in my opinion. I do think that Islam is mostly responsible for reversing their progress. At one point, they were quite advanced and made Europe look pathetic by comparison, as the mid-east looks to us now.[/quote]

In the past, Iran and Iraq were leaders in the eyes of western civilization. The Iraqi hospitals had newer, better equipment the most US hospitals in the early eighties. Iran has been going backwards since it has become a religious state. If Saddam did not attack Kuwait, Iraq could still exist in its greatest state. But, as the intellectuals have fled Iraq since the first gulf war. Iraq has also been reversing progress.

Last Holloween (10/31/10), al-qaeda gunmen with grenades bombs went into a christian church during mass and cut the throats the priests in front of the congregation and 58 people were killed. Most in the US probably don’t even know this happened. I believe I only heard a 5-10 second mention on any major news organization.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iraq+church+attack#hl=en&expIds=17259,25907,27611,27642,27744&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=youtube+iraq+church+attack&cp=8&pf=p&sclient=psy&rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=youtube+iraq+church+attack&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cc7ad1a43d378bba

The difference between the christians and the muslims is christians will openly condemn the acts of other christian’s actions done in the name of God. Whereas, muslims will not because it is against their religion as an act of betrayal and they will be punished by their God or by other muslims.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke

It becomes very difficult to treat others as equals when they do not perform their duties as responsible citizens.

Lucky In OC

“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” – Winston Churchill

[LuckyInOC]

First off, I agree the muslems can build their mosque in the US under freedom of religion, just as Nazis and the KKK have a right to build a meeting hall. However, it does not allow them the right to plot, conspire, and act out against any other group of citizens for their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

[quote=Ren]Oh, I’m not torn enough that I don’t agree with you.

I’m only torn on whether or not we would be better off with a benevolent dictatorship, with Me at the helm.[/quote]

This sounds like someone from the past – Saddam…

He was a benevolent dictaorship that allowed sunnis, shiites, and christians to live in peace. Only because he ruled the country with an iron fist and did not want any group to assert his power of death and control. Everyone knew in Iraq, if you were killed, it was because Saddam or his regime wanted you killed. There was no terrorism except that from the State. Now that Saddam has been displaced and no freedom of religion was not put into Iraq’s constitutional law, the christians are being displaced by mainly the shiites. In Iraq, most sunnis accept the christians and do not actively pursecute them.

The sunnis rely on the christian in two ways. First, the christians are a buffer from the shiites. The shiites will more readily attack the christians than their bothers of Islam. However, once most of the christians are removed, the focus of the more attacks will be against the sunnis. Second, from the time of babylonia, the chaldeans-assyrian have been a source of business and entrepreneurial capitalistic spirit.

[quote=Ren]The “out of context” thing isn’t an excuse, and it is true, although of course that doesn’t help solve the problem. In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. In other words, exactly what they’re doing now, which is what Christians did for centuries. It’s the primitive thinking of the people, not the religion, in my opinion. I do think that Islam is mostly responsible for reversing their progress. At one point, they were quite advanced and made Europe look pathetic by comparison, as the mid-east looks to us now.[/quote]

In the past, Iran and Iraq were leaders in the eyes of western civilization. The Iraqi hospitals had newer, better equipment the most US hospitals in the early eighties. Iran has been going backwards since it has become a religious state. If Saddam did not attack Kuwait, Iraq could still exist in its greatest state. But, as the intellectuals have fled Iraq since the first gulf war. Iraq has also been reversing progress.

Last Holloween (10/31/10), al-qaeda gunmen with grenades bombs went into a christian church during mass and cut the throats the priests in front of the congregation and 58 people were killed. Most in the US probably don’t even know this happened. I believe I only heard a 5-10 second mention on any major news organization.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iraq+church+attack#hl=en&expIds=17259,25907,27611,27642,27744&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=youtube+iraq+church+attack&cp=8&pf=p&sclient=psy&rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=youtube+iraq+church+attack&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cc7ad1a43d378bba

The difference between the christians and the muslims is christians will openly condemn the acts of other christian’s actions done in the name of God. Whereas, muslims will not because it is against their religion as an act of betrayal and they will be punished by their God or by other muslims.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke

It becomes very difficult to treat others as equals when they do not perform their duties as responsible citizens.

Lucky In OC

“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” – Winston Churchill

[LuckyInOC]

First off, I agree the muslems can build their mosque in the US under freedom of religion, just as Nazis and the KKK have a right to build a meeting hall. However, it does not allow them the right to plot, conspire, and act out against any other group of citizens for their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

[quote=Ren]Oh, I’m not torn enough that I don’t agree with you.

I’m only torn on whether or not we would be better off with a benevolent dictatorship, with Me at the helm.[/quote]

This sounds like someone from the past – Saddam…

He was a benevolent dictaorship that allowed sunnis, shiites, and christians to live in peace. Only because he ruled the country with an iron fist and did not want any group to assert his power of death and control. Everyone knew in Iraq, if you were killed, it was because Saddam or his regime wanted you killed. There was no terrorism except that from the State. Now that Saddam has been displaced and no freedom of religion was not put into Iraq’s constitutional law, the christians are being displaced by mainly the shiites. In Iraq, most sunnis accept the christians and do not actively pursecute them.

The sunnis rely on the christian in two ways. First, the christians are a buffer from the shiites. The shiites will more readily attack the christians than their bothers of Islam. However, once most of the christians are removed, the focus of the more attacks will be against the sunnis. Second, from the time of babylonia, the chaldeans-assyrian have been a source of business and entrepreneurial capitalistic spirit.

[quote=Ren]The “out of context” thing isn’t an excuse, and it is true, although of course that doesn’t help solve the problem. In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. In other words, exactly what they’re doing now, which is what Christians did for centuries. It’s the primitive thinking of the people, not the religion, in my opinion. I do think that Islam is mostly responsible for reversing their progress. At one point, they were quite advanced and made Europe look pathetic by comparison, as the mid-east looks to us now.[/quote]

In the past, Iran and Iraq were leaders in the eyes of western civilization. The Iraqi hospitals had newer, better equipment the most US hospitals in the early eighties. Iran has been going backwards since it has become a religious state. If Saddam did not attack Kuwait, Iraq could still exist in its greatest state. But, as the intellectuals have fled Iraq since the first gulf war. Iraq has also been reversing progress.

Last Holloween (10/31/10), al-qaeda gunmen with grenades bombs went into a christian church during mass and cut the throats the priests in front of the congregation and 58 people were killed. Most in the US probably don’t even know this happened. I believe I only heard a 5-10 second mention on any major news organization.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iraq+church+attack#hl=en&expIds=17259,25907,27611,27642,27744&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=youtube+iraq+church+attack&cp=8&pf=p&sclient=psy&rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=youtube+iraq+church+attack&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cc7ad1a43d378bba

The difference between the christians and the muslims is christians will openly condemn the acts of other christian’s actions done in the name of God. Whereas, muslims will not because it is against their religion as an act of betrayal and they will be punished by their God or by other muslims.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke

It becomes very difficult to treat others as equals when they do not perform their duties as responsible citizens.

Lucky In OC

“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” – Winston Churchill

[LuckyInOC]

First off, I agree the muslems can build their mosque in the US under freedom of religion, just as Nazis and the KKK have a right to build a meeting hall. However, it does not allow them the right to plot, conspire, and act out against any other group of citizens for their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

[quote=Ren]Oh, I’m not torn enough that I don’t agree with you.

I’m only torn on whether or not we would be better off with a benevolent dictatorship, with Me at the helm.[/quote]

This sounds like someone from the past – Saddam…

He was a benevolent dictaorship that allowed sunnis, shiites, and christians to live in peace. Only because he ruled the country with an iron fist and did not want any group to assert his power of death and control. Everyone knew in Iraq, if you were killed, it was because Saddam or his regime wanted you killed. There was no terrorism except that from the State. Now that Saddam has been displaced and no freedom of religion was not put into Iraq’s constitutional law, the christians are being displaced by mainly the shiites. In Iraq, most sunnis accept the christians and do not actively pursecute them.

The sunnis rely on the christian in two ways. First, the christians are a buffer from the shiites. The shiites will more readily attack the christians than their bothers of Islam. However, once most of the christians are removed, the focus of the more attacks will be against the sunnis. Second, from the time of babylonia, the chaldeans-assyrian have been a source of business and entrepreneurial capitalistic spirit.

[quote=Ren]The “out of context” thing isn’t an excuse, and it is true, although of course that doesn’t help solve the problem. In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. In other words, exactly what they’re doing now, which is what Christians did for centuries. It’s the primitive thinking of the people, not the religion, in my opinion. I do think that Islam is mostly responsible for reversing their progress. At one point, they were quite advanced and made Europe look pathetic by comparison, as the mid-east looks to us now.[/quote]

In the past, Iran and Iraq were leaders in the eyes of western civilization. The Iraqi hospitals had newer, better equipment the most US hospitals in the early eighties. Iran has been going backwards since it has become a religious state. If Saddam did not attack Kuwait, Iraq could still exist in its greatest state. But, as the intellectuals have fled Iraq since the first gulf war. Iraq has also been reversing progress.

Last Holloween (10/31/10), al-qaeda gunmen with grenades bombs went into a christian church during mass and cut the throats the priests in front of the congregation and 58 people were killed. Most in the US probably don’t even know this happened. I believe I only heard a 5-10 second mention on any major news organization.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iraq+church+attack#hl=en&expIds=17259,25907,27611,27642,27744&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=youtube+iraq+church+attack&cp=8&pf=p&sclient=psy&rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=youtube+iraq+church+attack&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cc7ad1a43d378bba

The difference between the christians and the muslims is christians will openly condemn the acts of other christian’s actions done in the name of God. Whereas, muslims will not because it is against their religion as an act of betrayal and they will be punished by their God or by other muslims.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke

It becomes very difficult to treat others as equals when they do not perform their duties as responsible citizens.

Lucky In OC

“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” – Winston Churchill

[LuckyInOC]

First off, I agree the muslems can build their mosque in the US under freedom of religion, just as Nazis and the KKK have a right to build a meeting hall. However, it does not allow them the right to plot, conspire, and act out against any other group of citizens for their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

[quote=Ren]Oh, I’m not torn enough that I don’t agree with you.

I’m only torn on whether or not we would be better off with a benevolent dictatorship, with Me at the helm.[/quote]

This sounds like someone from the past – Saddam…

He was a benevolent dictaorship that allowed sunnis, shiites, and christians to live in peace. Only because he ruled the country with an iron fist and did not want any group to assert his power of death and control. Everyone knew in Iraq, if you were killed, it was because Saddam or his regime wanted you killed. There was no terrorism except that from the State. Now that Saddam has been displaced and no freedom of religion was not put into Iraq’s constitutional law, the christians are being displaced by mainly the shiites. In Iraq, most sunnis accept the christians and do not actively pursecute them.

The sunnis rely on the christian in two ways. First, the christians are a buffer from the shiites. The shiites will more readily attack the christians than their bothers of Islam. However, once most of the christians are removed, the focus of the more attacks will be against the sunnis. Second, from the time of babylonia, the chaldeans-assyrian have been a source of business and entrepreneurial capitalistic spirit.

[quote=Ren]The “out of context” thing isn’t an excuse, and it is true, although of course that doesn’t help solve the problem. In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. In other words, exactly what they’re doing now, which is what Christians did for centuries. It’s the primitive thinking of the people, not the religion, in my opinion. I do think that Islam is mostly responsible for reversing their progress. At one point, they were quite advanced and made Europe look pathetic by comparison, as the mid-east looks to us now.[/quote]

In the past, Iran and Iraq were leaders in the eyes of western civilization. The Iraqi hospitals had newer, better equipment the most US hospitals in the early eighties. Iran has been going backwards since it has become a religious state. If Saddam did not attack Kuwait, Iraq could still exist in its greatest state. But, as the intellectuals have fled Iraq since the first gulf war. Iraq has also been reversing progress.

Last Holloween (10/31/10), al-qaeda gunmen with grenades bombs went into a christian church during mass and cut the throats the priests in front of the congregation and 58 people were killed. Most in the US probably don’t even know this happened. I believe I only heard a 5-10 second mention on any major news organization.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iraq+church+attack#hl=en&expIds=17259,25907,27611,27642,27744&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=youtube+iraq+church+attack&cp=8&pf=p&sclient=psy&rlz=1C1GGIE_enUS322US323&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=youtube+iraq+church+attack&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cc7ad1a43d378bba

The difference between the christians and the muslims is christians will openly condemn the acts of other christian’s actions done in the name of God. Whereas, muslims will not because it is against their religion as an act of betrayal and they will be punished by their God or by other muslims.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke

It becomes very difficult to treat others as equals when they do not perform their duties as responsible citizens.

Lucky In OC

“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” – Winston Churchill

[briansd1]

Glad the Temecula mosque was approved.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/01/temecula-approves-mosque-after-contentious-8-hour-hearing.html

It looks pretty nice.

[briansd1]

Glad the Temecula mosque was approved.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/01/temecula-approves-mosque-after-contentious-8-hour-hearing.html

It looks pretty nice.

[briansd1]

Glad the Temecula mosque was approved.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/01/temecula-approves-mosque-after-contentious-8-hour-hearing.html

It looks pretty nice.

[briansd1]

Glad the Temecula mosque was approved.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/01/temecula-approves-mosque-after-contentious-8-hour-hearing.html

It looks pretty nice.

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