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August 27, 2011 at 4:22 PM #726520August 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM #725367
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Participant[quote=AN][quote=CONCHO]People tend to forget that Jobs is responsible for 2 insanely great, insanely successful companies: Apple and Pixar. He bought Pixar for $10M and sold it for over $7B 20 years later. Cha-ching.
A world without Steve Jobs? There would have been no “Toy Story” — kids wouldn’t have gotten to watch Buzz and Woody! I don’t even want to imagine such a miserable place…[/quote]
A world without Pixar, we still have Kungfu Panda, Shrek, Aladin, Lilo & Stitch, Mulan, the Lion King, etc. Doesn’t sound too miserable to me. Aladin and Kungfu Panda > Toy Story IMHO.Jobs is great, no doubt about that, but he’s no Gates, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg. I see Jobs in similar light Jack Welch than the the guys I listed above. When Jack Welch took over GE, GE was about $1/share. When he left GE, it was about $40/share. At the peak, it was ~$55/share. When Jobs took over Apple, it was about $10/share, now it’s ~$400/share. They both have great stories of turning around nearly bankrupt companies. But Gate, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg formed a company from their “garage” and have a company that lead their respective industry. Jobs and Gates were starting out the same time and we all know how that battle turned out. At the peak, MSFT has a market cap of $488B, while Apple’s current peak is $355B.[/quote]
I’m not a techie, and know only a teensy-tiny bit about tech developments, but it would seem to me that this is far more important than Jobs’ later developments with Pixar:
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Beginning in 1979, started by Steve Jobs and led by Jef Raskin, the Lisa and Macintosh teams at Apple Computer (which included former members of the Xerox PARC group) continued to develop such ideas. The Macintosh, released in 1984, was the first commercially successful product to use a GUI. A desktop metaphor was used, in which files looked like pieces of paper; directories looked like file folders; there were a set of desk accessories like a calculator, notepad, and alarm clock that the user could place around the screen as desired; and the user could delete files and folders by dragging them to a trash can on the screen. Drop down menus were also introduced.
There is still some controversy over the amount of influence that Xerox’s PARC work, as opposed to previous academic research, had on the GUIs of Apple’s Lisa and Macintosh, but it is clear that the influence was extensive, because first versions of Lisa GUIs even lacked icons. These prototype GUIs are at least mouse driven, but completely ignored the WIMP concept. Rare screenshots of first GUIs of Apple Lisa prototypes are shown here and here. Note also that Apple engineers visited the PARC facilities (Apple secured the rights for the visit by compensating Xerox with a pre-IPO purchase of Apple stock) and a number of PARC employees subsequently moved to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh GUI. However, the Apple work extended PARC’s considerably, adding manipulatable icons, a fixed drop-down menu bar and drag&drop manipulation of objects in the file system (see Macintosh Finder) for example. A list of the improvements made by Apple to the PARC interface can be read here (folklore.org) It’s hard to say which particular features were originated in which project, though. Jef Raskin warns that many of the reported facts in the history of the PARC and Macintosh development are inaccurate, distorted or even fabricated, due to the lack of usage by historians of direct primary sources.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface
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No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?
August 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM #725456Participant[quote=AN][quote=CONCHO]People tend to forget that Jobs is responsible for 2 insanely great, insanely successful companies: Apple and Pixar. He bought Pixar for $10M and sold it for over $7B 20 years later. Cha-ching.
A world without Steve Jobs? There would have been no “Toy Story” — kids wouldn’t have gotten to watch Buzz and Woody! I don’t even want to imagine such a miserable place…[/quote]
A world without Pixar, we still have Kungfu Panda, Shrek, Aladin, Lilo & Stitch, Mulan, the Lion King, etc. Doesn’t sound too miserable to me. Aladin and Kungfu Panda > Toy Story IMHO.Jobs is great, no doubt about that, but he’s no Gates, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg. I see Jobs in similar light Jack Welch than the the guys I listed above. When Jack Welch took over GE, GE was about $1/share. When he left GE, it was about $40/share. At the peak, it was ~$55/share. When Jobs took over Apple, it was about $10/share, now it’s ~$400/share. They both have great stories of turning around nearly bankrupt companies. But Gate, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg formed a company from their “garage” and have a company that lead their respective industry. Jobs and Gates were starting out the same time and we all know how that battle turned out. At the peak, MSFT has a market cap of $488B, while Apple’s current peak is $355B.[/quote]
I’m not a techie, and know only a teensy-tiny bit about tech developments, but it would seem to me that this is far more important than Jobs’ later developments with Pixar:
……
Beginning in 1979, started by Steve Jobs and led by Jef Raskin, the Lisa and Macintosh teams at Apple Computer (which included former members of the Xerox PARC group) continued to develop such ideas. The Macintosh, released in 1984, was the first commercially successful product to use a GUI. A desktop metaphor was used, in which files looked like pieces of paper; directories looked like file folders; there were a set of desk accessories like a calculator, notepad, and alarm clock that the user could place around the screen as desired; and the user could delete files and folders by dragging them to a trash can on the screen. Drop down menus were also introduced.
There is still some controversy over the amount of influence that Xerox’s PARC work, as opposed to previous academic research, had on the GUIs of Apple’s Lisa and Macintosh, but it is clear that the influence was extensive, because first versions of Lisa GUIs even lacked icons. These prototype GUIs are at least mouse driven, but completely ignored the WIMP concept. Rare screenshots of first GUIs of Apple Lisa prototypes are shown here and here. Note also that Apple engineers visited the PARC facilities (Apple secured the rights for the visit by compensating Xerox with a pre-IPO purchase of Apple stock) and a number of PARC employees subsequently moved to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh GUI. However, the Apple work extended PARC’s considerably, adding manipulatable icons, a fixed drop-down menu bar and drag&drop manipulation of objects in the file system (see Macintosh Finder) for example. A list of the improvements made by Apple to the PARC interface can be read here (folklore.org) It’s hard to say which particular features were originated in which project, though. Jef Raskin warns that many of the reported facts in the history of the PARC and Macintosh development are inaccurate, distorted or even fabricated, due to the lack of usage by historians of direct primary sources.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface
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No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?
August 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM #726051Participant[quote=AN][quote=CONCHO]People tend to forget that Jobs is responsible for 2 insanely great, insanely successful companies: Apple and Pixar. He bought Pixar for $10M and sold it for over $7B 20 years later. Cha-ching.
A world without Steve Jobs? There would have been no “Toy Story” — kids wouldn’t have gotten to watch Buzz and Woody! I don’t even want to imagine such a miserable place…[/quote]
A world without Pixar, we still have Kungfu Panda, Shrek, Aladin, Lilo & Stitch, Mulan, the Lion King, etc. Doesn’t sound too miserable to me. Aladin and Kungfu Panda > Toy Story IMHO.Jobs is great, no doubt about that, but he’s no Gates, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg. I see Jobs in similar light Jack Welch than the the guys I listed above. When Jack Welch took over GE, GE was about $1/share. When he left GE, it was about $40/share. At the peak, it was ~$55/share. When Jobs took over Apple, it was about $10/share, now it’s ~$400/share. They both have great stories of turning around nearly bankrupt companies. But Gate, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg formed a company from their “garage” and have a company that lead their respective industry. Jobs and Gates were starting out the same time and we all know how that battle turned out. At the peak, MSFT has a market cap of $488B, while Apple’s current peak is $355B.[/quote]
I’m not a techie, and know only a teensy-tiny bit about tech developments, but it would seem to me that this is far more important than Jobs’ later developments with Pixar:
……
Beginning in 1979, started by Steve Jobs and led by Jef Raskin, the Lisa and Macintosh teams at Apple Computer (which included former members of the Xerox PARC group) continued to develop such ideas. The Macintosh, released in 1984, was the first commercially successful product to use a GUI. A desktop metaphor was used, in which files looked like pieces of paper; directories looked like file folders; there were a set of desk accessories like a calculator, notepad, and alarm clock that the user could place around the screen as desired; and the user could delete files and folders by dragging them to a trash can on the screen. Drop down menus were also introduced.
There is still some controversy over the amount of influence that Xerox’s PARC work, as opposed to previous academic research, had on the GUIs of Apple’s Lisa and Macintosh, but it is clear that the influence was extensive, because first versions of Lisa GUIs even lacked icons. These prototype GUIs are at least mouse driven, but completely ignored the WIMP concept. Rare screenshots of first GUIs of Apple Lisa prototypes are shown here and here. Note also that Apple engineers visited the PARC facilities (Apple secured the rights for the visit by compensating Xerox with a pre-IPO purchase of Apple stock) and a number of PARC employees subsequently moved to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh GUI. However, the Apple work extended PARC’s considerably, adding manipulatable icons, a fixed drop-down menu bar and drag&drop manipulation of objects in the file system (see Macintosh Finder) for example. A list of the improvements made by Apple to the PARC interface can be read here (folklore.org) It’s hard to say which particular features were originated in which project, though. Jef Raskin warns that many of the reported facts in the history of the PARC and Macintosh development are inaccurate, distorted or even fabricated, due to the lack of usage by historians of direct primary sources.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface
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No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?
August 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM #726207Participant[quote=AN][quote=CONCHO]People tend to forget that Jobs is responsible for 2 insanely great, insanely successful companies: Apple and Pixar. He bought Pixar for $10M and sold it for over $7B 20 years later. Cha-ching.
A world without Steve Jobs? There would have been no “Toy Story” — kids wouldn’t have gotten to watch Buzz and Woody! I don’t even want to imagine such a miserable place…[/quote]
A world without Pixar, we still have Kungfu Panda, Shrek, Aladin, Lilo & Stitch, Mulan, the Lion King, etc. Doesn’t sound too miserable to me. Aladin and Kungfu Panda > Toy Story IMHO.Jobs is great, no doubt about that, but he’s no Gates, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg. I see Jobs in similar light Jack Welch than the the guys I listed above. When Jack Welch took over GE, GE was about $1/share. When he left GE, it was about $40/share. At the peak, it was ~$55/share. When Jobs took over Apple, it was about $10/share, now it’s ~$400/share. They both have great stories of turning around nearly bankrupt companies. But Gate, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg formed a company from their “garage” and have a company that lead their respective industry. Jobs and Gates were starting out the same time and we all know how that battle turned out. At the peak, MSFT has a market cap of $488B, while Apple’s current peak is $355B.[/quote]
I’m not a techie, and know only a teensy-tiny bit about tech developments, but it would seem to me that this is far more important than Jobs’ later developments with Pixar:
……
Beginning in 1979, started by Steve Jobs and led by Jef Raskin, the Lisa and Macintosh teams at Apple Computer (which included former members of the Xerox PARC group) continued to develop such ideas. The Macintosh, released in 1984, was the first commercially successful product to use a GUI. A desktop metaphor was used, in which files looked like pieces of paper; directories looked like file folders; there were a set of desk accessories like a calculator, notepad, and alarm clock that the user could place around the screen as desired; and the user could delete files and folders by dragging them to a trash can on the screen. Drop down menus were also introduced.
There is still some controversy over the amount of influence that Xerox’s PARC work, as opposed to previous academic research, had on the GUIs of Apple’s Lisa and Macintosh, but it is clear that the influence was extensive, because first versions of Lisa GUIs even lacked icons. These prototype GUIs are at least mouse driven, but completely ignored the WIMP concept. Rare screenshots of first GUIs of Apple Lisa prototypes are shown here and here. Note also that Apple engineers visited the PARC facilities (Apple secured the rights for the visit by compensating Xerox with a pre-IPO purchase of Apple stock) and a number of PARC employees subsequently moved to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh GUI. However, the Apple work extended PARC’s considerably, adding manipulatable icons, a fixed drop-down menu bar and drag&drop manipulation of objects in the file system (see Macintosh Finder) for example. A list of the improvements made by Apple to the PARC interface can be read here (folklore.org) It’s hard to say which particular features were originated in which project, though. Jef Raskin warns that many of the reported facts in the history of the PARC and Macintosh development are inaccurate, distorted or even fabricated, due to the lack of usage by historians of direct primary sources.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface
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No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?
August 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM #726574Participant[quote=AN][quote=CONCHO]People tend to forget that Jobs is responsible for 2 insanely great, insanely successful companies: Apple and Pixar. He bought Pixar for $10M and sold it for over $7B 20 years later. Cha-ching.
A world without Steve Jobs? There would have been no “Toy Story” — kids wouldn’t have gotten to watch Buzz and Woody! I don’t even want to imagine such a miserable place…[/quote]
A world without Pixar, we still have Kungfu Panda, Shrek, Aladin, Lilo & Stitch, Mulan, the Lion King, etc. Doesn’t sound too miserable to me. Aladin and Kungfu Panda > Toy Story IMHO.Jobs is great, no doubt about that, but he’s no Gates, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg. I see Jobs in similar light Jack Welch than the the guys I listed above. When Jack Welch took over GE, GE was about $1/share. When he left GE, it was about $40/share. At the peak, it was ~$55/share. When Jobs took over Apple, it was about $10/share, now it’s ~$400/share. They both have great stories of turning around nearly bankrupt companies. But Gate, Brin/Page, and to a lesser extent Zuckerberg formed a company from their “garage” and have a company that lead their respective industry. Jobs and Gates were starting out the same time and we all know how that battle turned out. At the peak, MSFT has a market cap of $488B, while Apple’s current peak is $355B.[/quote]
I’m not a techie, and know only a teensy-tiny bit about tech developments, but it would seem to me that this is far more important than Jobs’ later developments with Pixar:
……
Beginning in 1979, started by Steve Jobs and led by Jef Raskin, the Lisa and Macintosh teams at Apple Computer (which included former members of the Xerox PARC group) continued to develop such ideas. The Macintosh, released in 1984, was the first commercially successful product to use a GUI. A desktop metaphor was used, in which files looked like pieces of paper; directories looked like file folders; there were a set of desk accessories like a calculator, notepad, and alarm clock that the user could place around the screen as desired; and the user could delete files and folders by dragging them to a trash can on the screen. Drop down menus were also introduced.
There is still some controversy over the amount of influence that Xerox’s PARC work, as opposed to previous academic research, had on the GUIs of Apple’s Lisa and Macintosh, but it is clear that the influence was extensive, because first versions of Lisa GUIs even lacked icons. These prototype GUIs are at least mouse driven, but completely ignored the WIMP concept. Rare screenshots of first GUIs of Apple Lisa prototypes are shown here and here. Note also that Apple engineers visited the PARC facilities (Apple secured the rights for the visit by compensating Xerox with a pre-IPO purchase of Apple stock) and a number of PARC employees subsequently moved to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh GUI. However, the Apple work extended PARC’s considerably, adding manipulatable icons, a fixed drop-down menu bar and drag&drop manipulation of objects in the file system (see Macintosh Finder) for example. A list of the improvements made by Apple to the PARC interface can be read here (folklore.org) It’s hard to say which particular features were originated in which project, though. Jef Raskin warns that many of the reported facts in the history of the PARC and Macintosh development are inaccurate, distorted or even fabricated, due to the lack of usage by historians of direct primary sources.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface
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No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?
August 27, 2011 at 10:47 PM #725372an
Participant[quote=CA renter]No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?[/quote]
I would give credits for today’s computer and its GUI to the scientists at Xerox PARC, not Gate or Jobs. They both basically took a lot of those research and create viable products/companies out of them. Although first Mac came out in 1984, first Windows came out in 1983. Here’s a history of Windows: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history. Both the first Windows and the first Mac have a mouse, but that was developed initially by Xerox PARC as well. So, in essence, Mac and Windows came out at right around the same time. Gates was just more success than Jobs in monetizing AND expanding Windows’ market share through software licensing vs a one stop shop. We’re seeing a similar result happening today w/ smartphone OS (Android vs iOS). Although Gates, Jobs, Brin/Page were all founders of companies with a product that’s original. Gates and Brin/Page were able to change the landscape of how we use computer and how we search for information on the Internet. After almost 30 years, PC and Windows still have the lion share of the market. Google have the lion share of the search market and Android is blowing past iOS after just 3 years. Make no mistake, Jobs is up there in importance, I just don’t think his company made as big of an impact as Windows, Google Search, and Android. This is just MHO though. This is also why I put him in the Jack Welch category (both are great CEO who turn around failing companies).In response to CONCHO and Pixar, I view CGI is just another technology in a long line of technologies that improve our way of watching movies. I group CGI with color film, audio added to silent film, HD recording, 3D films, surround sound, etc. They all are ground breaking for their time, but I wouldn’t say one technology is greater than another. BTW, Pixar didn’t invent CGI. Here’s a history of CGI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television.
So, although Pixar came out with the first movie fully done in CGI, I would say, sooner or later, it was found to happen, since CGI started in the 70s and Toy Story came out when the technology was mature enough to support a feature-length film. In 1996, Dragonheart came out. It was the first 2D all-CGI backgrounds with live actors. Basically, what I’m trying to say is, CGI is much bigger than Pixar and have a much longer history. I wouldn’t lay the credit for CGI in film at the foot of Pixar. They’re just one of many companies that help advance CGI. This is not even giving credit to the chip makers for designing and releasing CPUs that are fast enough to do these kind of calculation.
August 27, 2011 at 10:47 PM #725461Participant[quote=CA renter]No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?[/quote]
I would give credits for today’s computer and its GUI to the scientists at Xerox PARC, not Gate or Jobs. They both basically took a lot of those research and create viable products/companies out of them. Although first Mac came out in 1984, first Windows came out in 1983. Here’s a history of Windows: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history. Both the first Windows and the first Mac have a mouse, but that was developed initially by Xerox PARC as well. So, in essence, Mac and Windows came out at right around the same time. Gates was just more success than Jobs in monetizing AND expanding Windows’ market share through software licensing vs a one stop shop. We’re seeing a similar result happening today w/ smartphone OS (Android vs iOS). Although Gates, Jobs, Brin/Page were all founders of companies with a product that’s original. Gates and Brin/Page were able to change the landscape of how we use computer and how we search for information on the Internet. After almost 30 years, PC and Windows still have the lion share of the market. Google have the lion share of the search market and Android is blowing past iOS after just 3 years. Make no mistake, Jobs is up there in importance, I just don’t think his company made as big of an impact as Windows, Google Search, and Android. This is just MHO though. This is also why I put him in the Jack Welch category (both are great CEO who turn around failing companies).In response to CONCHO and Pixar, I view CGI is just another technology in a long line of technologies that improve our way of watching movies. I group CGI with color film, audio added to silent film, HD recording, 3D films, surround sound, etc. They all are ground breaking for their time, but I wouldn’t say one technology is greater than another. BTW, Pixar didn’t invent CGI. Here’s a history of CGI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television.
So, although Pixar came out with the first movie fully done in CGI, I would say, sooner or later, it was found to happen, since CGI started in the 70s and Toy Story came out when the technology was mature enough to support a feature-length film. In 1996, Dragonheart came out. It was the first 2D all-CGI backgrounds with live actors. Basically, what I’m trying to say is, CGI is much bigger than Pixar and have a much longer history. I wouldn’t lay the credit for CGI in film at the foot of Pixar. They’re just one of many companies that help advance CGI. This is not even giving credit to the chip makers for designing and releasing CPUs that are fast enough to do these kind of calculation.
August 27, 2011 at 10:47 PM #726056Participant[quote=CA renter]No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?[/quote]
I would give credits for today’s computer and its GUI to the scientists at Xerox PARC, not Gate or Jobs. They both basically took a lot of those research and create viable products/companies out of them. Although first Mac came out in 1984, first Windows came out in 1983. Here’s a history of Windows: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history. Both the first Windows and the first Mac have a mouse, but that was developed initially by Xerox PARC as well. So, in essence, Mac and Windows came out at right around the same time. Gates was just more success than Jobs in monetizing AND expanding Windows’ market share through software licensing vs a one stop shop. We’re seeing a similar result happening today w/ smartphone OS (Android vs iOS). Although Gates, Jobs, Brin/Page were all founders of companies with a product that’s original. Gates and Brin/Page were able to change the landscape of how we use computer and how we search for information on the Internet. After almost 30 years, PC and Windows still have the lion share of the market. Google have the lion share of the search market and Android is blowing past iOS after just 3 years. Make no mistake, Jobs is up there in importance, I just don’t think his company made as big of an impact as Windows, Google Search, and Android. This is just MHO though. This is also why I put him in the Jack Welch category (both are great CEO who turn around failing companies).In response to CONCHO and Pixar, I view CGI is just another technology in a long line of technologies that improve our way of watching movies. I group CGI with color film, audio added to silent film, HD recording, 3D films, surround sound, etc. They all are ground breaking for their time, but I wouldn’t say one technology is greater than another. BTW, Pixar didn’t invent CGI. Here’s a history of CGI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television.
So, although Pixar came out with the first movie fully done in CGI, I would say, sooner or later, it was found to happen, since CGI started in the 70s and Toy Story came out when the technology was mature enough to support a feature-length film. In 1996, Dragonheart came out. It was the first 2D all-CGI backgrounds with live actors. Basically, what I’m trying to say is, CGI is much bigger than Pixar and have a much longer history. I wouldn’t lay the credit for CGI in film at the foot of Pixar. They’re just one of many companies that help advance CGI. This is not even giving credit to the chip makers for designing and releasing CPUs that are fast enough to do these kind of calculation.
August 27, 2011 at 10:47 PM #726212Participant[quote=CA renter]No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?[/quote]
I would give credits for today’s computer and its GUI to the scientists at Xerox PARC, not Gate or Jobs. They both basically took a lot of those research and create viable products/companies out of them. Although first Mac came out in 1984, first Windows came out in 1983. Here’s a history of Windows: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history. Both the first Windows and the first Mac have a mouse, but that was developed initially by Xerox PARC as well. So, in essence, Mac and Windows came out at right around the same time. Gates was just more success than Jobs in monetizing AND expanding Windows’ market share through software licensing vs a one stop shop. We’re seeing a similar result happening today w/ smartphone OS (Android vs iOS). Although Gates, Jobs, Brin/Page were all founders of companies with a product that’s original. Gates and Brin/Page were able to change the landscape of how we use computer and how we search for information on the Internet. After almost 30 years, PC and Windows still have the lion share of the market. Google have the lion share of the search market and Android is blowing past iOS after just 3 years. Make no mistake, Jobs is up there in importance, I just don’t think his company made as big of an impact as Windows, Google Search, and Android. This is just MHO though. This is also why I put him in the Jack Welch category (both are great CEO who turn around failing companies).In response to CONCHO and Pixar, I view CGI is just another technology in a long line of technologies that improve our way of watching movies. I group CGI with color film, audio added to silent film, HD recording, 3D films, surround sound, etc. They all are ground breaking for their time, but I wouldn’t say one technology is greater than another. BTW, Pixar didn’t invent CGI. Here’s a history of CGI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television.
So, although Pixar came out with the first movie fully done in CGI, I would say, sooner or later, it was found to happen, since CGI started in the 70s and Toy Story came out when the technology was mature enough to support a feature-length film. In 1996, Dragonheart came out. It was the first 2D all-CGI backgrounds with live actors. Basically, what I’m trying to say is, CGI is much bigger than Pixar and have a much longer history. I wouldn’t lay the credit for CGI in film at the foot of Pixar. They’re just one of many companies that help advance CGI. This is not even giving credit to the chip makers for designing and releasing CPUs that are fast enough to do these kind of calculation.
August 27, 2011 at 10:47 PM #726578Participant[quote=CA renter]No Gates or Brin/Page? How not?[/quote]
I would give credits for today’s computer and its GUI to the scientists at Xerox PARC, not Gate or Jobs. They both basically took a lot of those research and create viable products/companies out of them. Although first Mac came out in 1984, first Windows came out in 1983. Here’s a history of Windows: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history. Both the first Windows and the first Mac have a mouse, but that was developed initially by Xerox PARC as well. So, in essence, Mac and Windows came out at right around the same time. Gates was just more success than Jobs in monetizing AND expanding Windows’ market share through software licensing vs a one stop shop. We’re seeing a similar result happening today w/ smartphone OS (Android vs iOS). Although Gates, Jobs, Brin/Page were all founders of companies with a product that’s original. Gates and Brin/Page were able to change the landscape of how we use computer and how we search for information on the Internet. After almost 30 years, PC and Windows still have the lion share of the market. Google have the lion share of the search market and Android is blowing past iOS after just 3 years. Make no mistake, Jobs is up there in importance, I just don’t think his company made as big of an impact as Windows, Google Search, and Android. This is just MHO though. This is also why I put him in the Jack Welch category (both are great CEO who turn around failing companies).In response to CONCHO and Pixar, I view CGI is just another technology in a long line of technologies that improve our way of watching movies. I group CGI with color film, audio added to silent film, HD recording, 3D films, surround sound, etc. They all are ground breaking for their time, but I wouldn’t say one technology is greater than another. BTW, Pixar didn’t invent CGI. Here’s a history of CGI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television.
So, although Pixar came out with the first movie fully done in CGI, I would say, sooner or later, it was found to happen, since CGI started in the 70s and Toy Story came out when the technology was mature enough to support a feature-length film. In 1996, Dragonheart came out. It was the first 2D all-CGI backgrounds with live actors. Basically, what I’m trying to say is, CGI is much bigger than Pixar and have a much longer history. I wouldn’t lay the credit for CGI in film at the foot of Pixar. They’re just one of many companies that help advance CGI. This is not even giving credit to the chip makers for designing and releasing CPUs that are fast enough to do these kind of calculation.
August 28, 2011 at 2:02 AM #725377ParticipantFair enough, AN. As mentioned before, tech is not my thing, so will have to plead ignorance here.
I just remember using a pretty high-tech Mac with a GUI back in the mid-80s, and when we used PC computers in the late 80s/early 90s, we had to use MS-DOS with WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3. 🙂
August 28, 2011 at 2:02 AM #725466ParticipantFair enough, AN. As mentioned before, tech is not my thing, so will have to plead ignorance here.
I just remember using a pretty high-tech Mac with a GUI back in the mid-80s, and when we used PC computers in the late 80s/early 90s, we had to use MS-DOS with WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3. 🙂
August 28, 2011 at 2:02 AM #726061ParticipantFair enough, AN. As mentioned before, tech is not my thing, so will have to plead ignorance here.
I just remember using a pretty high-tech Mac with a GUI back in the mid-80s, and when we used PC computers in the late 80s/early 90s, we had to use MS-DOS with WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3. 🙂
August 28, 2011 at 2:02 AM #726216ParticipantFair enough, AN. As mentioned before, tech is not my thing, so will have to plead ignorance here.
I just remember using a pretty high-tech Mac with a GUI back in the mid-80s, and when we used PC computers in the late 80s/early 90s, we had to use MS-DOS with WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3. 🙂
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