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May 10, 2012 at 2:34 PM #743492May 10, 2012 at 2:42 PM #743493
bearishgurl
ParticipantAN, Compare MMHS (area you’re familiar with) with an API of 846 and a “Hispanic” score of 781. Is MMHS’s 846 score anything to “crow about?” What about BVHS’s 851 score? Why did students in the “Hispanic” group do MUCH better on their state exams at BVHS?
These are only examples. I could give a few more here but am using these random schools to make a point. I have nothing against MMHS or TPHS and I’m sure they’re both good schools.
May 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM #743495ParticipantOh, and uh, congrats to the students and teachers at SMHS on your *new* “national acclaim!”
May 10, 2012 at 2:57 PM #743496Participant[quote=AN]….You seem to know, why don’t you try to explain that to me.[/quote]
Hispanics who live in homes where English is the first language spoken do just as well as other student groups on their state tests. It is mostly Hispanics where English is NOT their primary language and/or who live in homes where a language other than English is spoken who drag the scores down for the entire group.
It has everything to do with language barriers and the ability to comprehend and compose the written word.
May 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM #743504an
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
I never stated that BVHS’s or TPHS’s students who were categorized “Hispanic” weren’t actually “Hispanic” and you never answered my question, which was:Why do you think “Hispanics” at BVHS (API 851) scored 81 points higher on their state exams than “Hispanic” students at TPHS (API 882)?
(826 BVHS Hispanic score minus 745 TPHS Hispanic score.)[/quote]
I told you I don’t know, that’s why I ask you, since you seem to know the Hispanic community a lot better than I do.
[quote=bearishgurl]AN, Compare MMHS (area you’re familiar with) with an API of 846 and a “Hispanic” score of 781. Is MMHS’s 846 score anything to “crow about?” What about BVHS’s 851 score? Why did students in the “Hispanic” group do MUCH better on their state exams at BVHS?These are only examples. I could give a few more here but am using these random schools to make a point. I have nothing against MMHS or TPHS and I’m sure they’re both good schools.[/quote]
No, neither 846 NOR 851 is anything to crow about. Why are you bringing up school wide API numbers anyways, when we’re specifically talking about racial subgroup. The Asian in MM are on the lower performing side at 895 and the Asian in BVHS is at 933. Both are blown away by TPHS’s Asian at 956.
[quote=bearishgurl]Hispanics who live in homes where English is the first language spoken do just as well as other student groups on their state tests. It is mostly Hispanics where English is NOT their primary language and/or who live in homes where a language other than English is spoken who drag the scores down for the entire group.It has everything to do with language barriers and the ability to comprehend and compose the written word.[/quote]
Do you have data to back this up? The English learners in BVHS API is 781. Aren’t most of them Hispanic English learners? If yes, then why are Hispanic English learning in BVHS doing as well as Hispanic non-English learner in MMHS AND BEAT Hispanic in TPHS.May 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM #743514sdrealtor
ParticipantBottomline-despite all the dissenting opinions SM has come along way in the last decade by developing nice, new communities that have attracted a higher income/education demographic. Its not without its issues but those of you who havent been there in the last few years would be impressed by the changes. Contrary to what the CA’s who want things to remain the way they were 40 years ago think….thats progress and its a good thing!
May 10, 2012 at 8:29 PM #743538all
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=markmax33®][quote=AN] How can you explain the fact that Asian in low income areas like El Cajon getting similar API scores as Hispanics in an area like Carmel Valley?[/quote]
Clearly, Asians are smarter than Hispanics.[/quote]Not smarter, we all all the same.
The difference is culture. Asian families value education a lot more, even more than Whites, IMO. Whites have the advantage of being the establishment.
But give it a few more decades and you will see. We already see that in disproportionately high Asian enrollment at CA universities.[/quote]
When you guys say ‘Asian’, do you include Afghans, Turks and Bangladesh(ies?)?
May 10, 2012 at 10:34 PM #743543Rhett
Participant[quote=outtamojo]That school ranked #8 in La Jolla has a 100% participation rate also, but with a 32% pass rate.[/quote]
That school in La Jolla is the Preuss School, a charter school that is run by UC San Diego. For the most part, they only accept students from economically disadvantaged families, in which none of the parents graduated from a 4-year college. One of their requirements is that the students take at least one (or maybe it’s two) AP test.
Their 100% taking rate is predefined. They know they will have a lower pass rate. I’m not sure what San Marcos is doing, but it sure sounds to me like it’s being run somewhat like a charter.
Also, 100% AP rate implies something else: they moved all the special education kids over to Mission Hills. That’s another good way to get your test scores to go up.
May 18, 2012 at 1:32 AM #744039outtamojo
ParticipantDon’t take incredible school ranking to the bank
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/15/dont-take-incredible-school-ranking-bank/?page=1#article
🙁
May 18, 2012 at 6:44 AM #744047ocrenter
ParticipantHopefully we don’t have some SEH realtor out there already sitting on a garage full of the US News reprints.
All kidding aside, SMHS is an excellent school with a turn around story that is truly newsworthy.
May 18, 2012 at 7:09 AM #744048
CoronitaParticipantany nerd with a shred of analytical skills could have realized this just by looking at the data….
And union tribute just took a few more day to ask the very same questions that were asked here first already..
SM High Ranking Doesn’t Add Up…
(no shit shirlock)
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U.S. News & World Report consulted a federal database that blew a couple of key facts about the local high school.First of all, the senior class was tabulated at 79, which is pretty weird since the junior class had 818 students.
According to Kevin Holt, San Marcos superintendent, the 897 total for the two classes combined is correct but the breakdown is way out of whack.
[/quote]Whoa… Minor statistical error, you think? 79 seniors???
No shit shirlock…
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What’s more, the report had a 100 percent pass rate among San Marcos High students in Advanced Placement classes, a realistic impossibility in anything but a tiny charter school with a student body carefully selected for smarts and motivation. Holt said the 100 percent finding is “incredible.”For perspective, Holt was proud of the fact that in San Diego County, San Marcos’ two high schools were rated seventh and 15th in the county on a state ranking.
Holt said he emailed U.S. News & World Report about the dubious data last week, but he didn’t hear back. As of Tuesday morning, the skewed rating remains on the website, as does No. 13 ranking of a Nevada high school where the same sort of problem cropped up.
[/quote]Really, I was thinking it was 55%. 100% that’s incredible!…Well considering there were only 79 seniors were considered, and I’m sure more than 79 seniors passed, I’m surprised US News Report didn’t report 200%+ pass rate!
No shit shirlock..
Well, got to hand it to Holt for his integrity, But at least this proves U.S. News Report is almost as useful as a news magazine as “National Enquirer”…Well, at least National Enquirer gets it right some time of the time…
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No question, as a nation we’re too obsessed with broad-brush lists. The 100 Best (insert category here); the 100 Worst (insert category here). But if we’re going to report on them, they should at least be based on objective reality.I emailed U.S. News & World Report to find out when the high-school rankings would be corrected, if ever. No word back.
[/quote]Nope, you ain’t going to see a retraction… Sloppy journalism at it’s finest.
SMHS is still a great schoool, no doubt though.
BTW: Torrey Pines wasn’t even ranked…I guess they couldn’t find the data in the national database….
May 18, 2012 at 7:12 AM #744050CoronitaParticipant[quote=ocrenter]Hopefully we don’t have some SEH realtor out there already sitting on a garage full of the US News reprints.
All kidding aside, SMHS is an excellent school with a turn around story that is truly newsworthy.[/quote]
The article sort of said that….
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Throughout San Marcos, real-estate agents must have been licking their lips as they honed sales pitches to prospective buyers:“Yessir, you’ve no doubt heard — and even believed — that Poway’s school district is the gold standard for schools in inland North County. Well, that may have been true in the past. But do you know that San Marcos High is No. 3 in the whole state and 11 nationwide! La Jolla? Torrey Pines? They’re eating our chalkboard dust!
“Why, poor old Westview High School, the Poway district’s fancy new high school, couldn’t manage better than 40th in the state and 218 nationwide. That’s the best the snooty Powegians could do. You’d better put in a full-price offer today on that four-bedroom here in San Marcos or you’ll be forced to buy in a district where your children’s education, well, let’s just say it’s not up to San Marcos standards.”
Amid this rosy flush of hometown pride, however, a rat could be smelled by insiders with working nose
[/quote]I’m waiting for an idiot couple to buy a house in SM based on the US News Report, and then turning around and suing both the agent and the US News Report parent company for false and misleading advertising, or some B.S. like that…. But then in this economy, I guess any get rich quick scheme is possible!
May 18, 2012 at 7:38 AM #744053CDMA ENG
Participant[quote=UCGal]I see a migration of school obsessed families migrating from Carmel Valley and 4S to San Marcos in the near future.
Pleasantly surprised to see UCHS is third in the district, 66th in the state, 371st in the nation by the criteria of US News… I’m not planning on moving so it’s good to see that by at least some criteria the local school doesn’t totally blow chunks.[/quote]
I heard some bad things about UCHS from a neighbor. He was very down on the school citing bullying, gang activity, and mediocre academics. He was also very down on the magnet school too so I am not sure if he was just anti-UC or if it was an individual issue. What would your comments be UCGal?
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May 21, 2012 at 11:30 PM #744207ParticipantWell, the Newsweek top 1000 high school list is out, here’s the schools in SD on the list:
–The Preuss School UCSD
–Canyon Crest
–Torrey Pines
–Westview
–SD school of International Studies
–San Dieguito Academy
–La Jolla
–RB
–Poway
–La Costa Canyon
–Mt.Carmel
–Eastlake
–University City
–Bonita VistaNotably absent: Carlsbad, San Marcos, Mira Mesa, Scripps
Canyon Crest and Torrey Pines beat out some of the typical top ranked LA/OC schools such as Irvine’s Uni High, Fullerton’s Troy, San Marino, and Palos Verdes. With Westview and rest of PUSD schools not far behind. This is going to add fuel to the Asian influx into the 56 corridor that started taking off about 10 years ago.
May 22, 2012 at 12:05 AM #744211ParticipantVery interest list. I’m surprise SRHS didn’t make the list and Mt. Carmel, Eastlake, UCHS did.
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