OT: Sad day for America

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]in Soviet Russia, a great deal of “the horrors” were pre-WWII[/quote]

I knew you were going to mention that. 🙂

Doesn’t really change the point though. The Nazis did lots of bad things “pre” WWII also.

The commies just have a higher body count because they had a head start.

And I understand that communism grew since WWII, but point is the outcome of the war positioned it to expand with minimal obstacles, while the Nazis were pretty-much kaput.

Religions are similar. Every religion has been twisted by extremists to do evil (even “peaceful” Buddhism.) Some religions have higher body counts because the events of history has given them more opportunity to exploit.

In the end, it’s not about the “ism” – it’s about power and how humans collectively react to it. The brilliance of the American Constitution is that it accounts for these inevitable abuses.

In fact, the *whole point* of the Constitution is to prevent the concentration of power.

But the one force that can usurp even the Constitution is blind patriotism. The idea that we should make compromises to its core principles for the “good of the country.”

(And health care reform is *not* an example of one of these compromises, as it does not really concentrate power with anyone. It may be a bad idea – but it is not a threat to the Constitution.)

What is an example of a threat? How about the elimination of due process in order to protect ourselves from a vaguely-defined “enemy?” – A perfect example of what the Founders tried to prevent.

Neither the left or right is inherently evil, but sometimes one side far more influence than the other. That’s when the evil happens.

“Shoot him in the head before it goes into a court”

(I know this clip applies to a someone captured on foreign soil, but we hear the same logic being applied to domestic cases against US citizens as well.)

6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]
Doesn’t really change the point though. The Nazis did lots of bad things “pre” WWII also.

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

Pri: As to the comment about the Nazis and bad things, pre-WWII: No, they really didn’t. Even things like “Kristallnacht” (“Night of Broken Glass”) in 1938 were fairly small in nature, compared to what was going on (and had been going on) inside the the USSR. Hitler’s killing machine didn’t really warm up till after the invasion of USSR and the “Endlosung” (Final Solution) wasn’t realized until 1942. If you compare data, you’ll see that the Nazis, up till that point, were pikers when compared to Stalin and Co.

As to the vitriol from the Left: Absolutely, and I don’t say that out of any sense of party loyalty to the GOP. Whether we’re talking about “Bush Derangement Syndrome” during the Dubya years, when you had Lefties actively agitating for his assassination (supported by movies like “Death of a President”), advocating “regime change begins at home”, to carrying signs that read, “Snipers Wanted”. At present you have people like Dylan Ratigan, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher, all of whom, implicitly or explicitly, use the language of violence and either endorse or condone it, when done for the “right reasons” or a “good cause”.

You definitely hear it more from the Right, and mainly due to the fact that viewership and listenership is larger (think Limbaugh, Beck and FOX News versus Air America, MSNBC, etc).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]
Doesn’t really change the point though. The Nazis did lots of bad things “pre” WWII also.

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

Pri: As to the comment about the Nazis and bad things, pre-WWII: No, they really didn’t. Even things like “Kristallnacht” (“Night of Broken Glass”) in 1938 were fairly small in nature, compared to what was going on (and had been going on) inside the the USSR. Hitler’s killing machine didn’t really warm up till after the invasion of USSR and the “Endlosung” (Final Solution) wasn’t realized until 1942. If you compare data, you’ll see that the Nazis, up till that point, were pikers when compared to Stalin and Co.

As to the vitriol from the Left: Absolutely, and I don’t say that out of any sense of party loyalty to the GOP. Whether we’re talking about “Bush Derangement Syndrome” during the Dubya years, when you had Lefties actively agitating for his assassination (supported by movies like “Death of a President”), advocating “regime change begins at home”, to carrying signs that read, “Snipers Wanted”. At present you have people like Dylan Ratigan, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher, all of whom, implicitly or explicitly, use the language of violence and either endorse or condone it, when done for the “right reasons” or a “good cause”.

You definitely hear it more from the Right, and mainly due to the fact that viewership and listenership is larger (think Limbaugh, Beck and FOX News versus Air America, MSNBC, etc).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]
Doesn’t really change the point though. The Nazis did lots of bad things “pre” WWII also.

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

Pri: As to the comment about the Nazis and bad things, pre-WWII: No, they really didn’t. Even things like “Kristallnacht” (“Night of Broken Glass”) in 1938 were fairly small in nature, compared to what was going on (and had been going on) inside the the USSR. Hitler’s killing machine didn’t really warm up till after the invasion of USSR and the “Endlosung” (Final Solution) wasn’t realized until 1942. If you compare data, you’ll see that the Nazis, up till that point, were pikers when compared to Stalin and Co.

As to the vitriol from the Left: Absolutely, and I don’t say that out of any sense of party loyalty to the GOP. Whether we’re talking about “Bush Derangement Syndrome” during the Dubya years, when you had Lefties actively agitating for his assassination (supported by movies like “Death of a President”), advocating “regime change begins at home”, to carrying signs that read, “Snipers Wanted”. At present you have people like Dylan Ratigan, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher, all of whom, implicitly or explicitly, use the language of violence and either endorse or condone it, when done for the “right reasons” or a “good cause”.

You definitely hear it more from the Right, and mainly due to the fact that viewership and listenership is larger (think Limbaugh, Beck and FOX News versus Air America, MSNBC, etc).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]
Doesn’t really change the point though. The Nazis did lots of bad things “pre” WWII also.

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

Pri: As to the comment about the Nazis and bad things, pre-WWII: No, they really didn’t. Even things like “Kristallnacht” (“Night of Broken Glass”) in 1938 were fairly small in nature, compared to what was going on (and had been going on) inside the the USSR. Hitler’s killing machine didn’t really warm up till after the invasion of USSR and the “Endlosung” (Final Solution) wasn’t realized until 1942. If you compare data, you’ll see that the Nazis, up till that point, were pikers when compared to Stalin and Co.

As to the vitriol from the Left: Absolutely, and I don’t say that out of any sense of party loyalty to the GOP. Whether we’re talking about “Bush Derangement Syndrome” during the Dubya years, when you had Lefties actively agitating for his assassination (supported by movies like “Death of a President”), advocating “regime change begins at home”, to carrying signs that read, “Snipers Wanted”. At present you have people like Dylan Ratigan, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher, all of whom, implicitly or explicitly, use the language of violence and either endorse or condone it, when done for the “right reasons” or a “good cause”.

You definitely hear it more from the Right, and mainly due to the fact that viewership and listenership is larger (think Limbaugh, Beck and FOX News versus Air America, MSNBC, etc).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]
Doesn’t really change the point though. The Nazis did lots of bad things “pre” WWII also.

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

Pri: As to the comment about the Nazis and bad things, pre-WWII: No, they really didn’t. Even things like “Kristallnacht” (“Night of Broken Glass”) in 1938 were fairly small in nature, compared to what was going on (and had been going on) inside the the USSR. Hitler’s killing machine didn’t really warm up till after the invasion of USSR and the “Endlosung” (Final Solution) wasn’t realized until 1942. If you compare data, you’ll see that the Nazis, up till that point, were pikers when compared to Stalin and Co.

As to the vitriol from the Left: Absolutely, and I don’t say that out of any sense of party loyalty to the GOP. Whether we’re talking about “Bush Derangement Syndrome” during the Dubya years, when you had Lefties actively agitating for his assassination (supported by movies like “Death of a President”), advocating “regime change begins at home”, to carrying signs that read, “Snipers Wanted”. At present you have people like Dylan Ratigan, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher, all of whom, implicitly or explicitly, use the language of violence and either endorse or condone it, when done for the “right reasons” or a “good cause”.

You definitely hear it more from the Right, and mainly due to the fact that viewership and listenership is larger (think Limbaugh, Beck and FOX News versus Air America, MSNBC, etc).

[briansd1]

[quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?

[briansd1]

[quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?

[briansd1]

[quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?

[briansd1]

[quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?

[briansd1]

[quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?[/quote]

Brian: Here is a link to Obama’s violent rhetoric, including “They bring a knife, we bring a gun” and other little nuggets: http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=53765

So, using your own words above, its pretty obvious that the “rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to embolden and motivate the (what?) “elite” elements of our society”? The Left and the Right both employ the words, symbols and iconography of violence and revolution to fire up their co-religionists.

I know how much you despise facts, but, please, do at least a little research before bringing that insipid twaddle to the discussion.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?[/quote]

Brian: Here is a link to Obama’s violent rhetoric, including “They bring a knife, we bring a gun” and other little nuggets: http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=53765

So, using your own words above, its pretty obvious that the “rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to embolden and motivate the (what?) “elite” elements of our society”? The Left and the Right both employ the words, symbols and iconography of violence and revolution to fire up their co-religionists.

I know how much you despise facts, but, please, do at least a little research before bringing that insipid twaddle to the discussion.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?[/quote]

Brian: Here is a link to Obama’s violent rhetoric, including “They bring a knife, we bring a gun” and other little nuggets: http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=53765

So, using your own words above, its pretty obvious that the “rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to embolden and motivate the (what?) “elite” elements of our society”? The Left and the Right both employ the words, symbols and iconography of violence and revolution to fire up their co-religionists.

I know how much you despise facts, but, please, do at least a little research before bringing that insipid twaddle to the discussion.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=pri_dk]
6 million listeners, and only in 3rd place. (Guess who #1 and #2 are?)

You say there is just as much vitriol coming from the left?[/quote]

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that the rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to rile up, embolden and motivate the redneck elements of our society. How could anyone miss that?[/quote]

Brian: Here is a link to Obama’s violent rhetoric, including “They bring a knife, we bring a gun” and other little nuggets: http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=53765

So, using your own words above, its pretty obvious that the “rhetoric of revolution, violence and guns is meant to embolden and motivate the (what?) “elite” elements of our society”? The Left and the Right both employ the words, symbols and iconography of violence and revolution to fire up their co-religionists.

I know how much you despise facts, but, please, do at least a little research before bringing that insipid twaddle to the discussion.

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