OT: Republican Party, moderates need not apply

[CA renter]

[quote=ralphfurley][quote=ocrenter]
#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]
Maybe there should be more than a two party system and we should have representation like the House of Commons in the Canadian parliament.[/quote]

I’d like a “no party” system, where you vote for an individual instead of a party. This whole notion that everyone has to fit neatly into a box is partly to blame for our govt’s demise (from a citizen’s standpoint), IMHO.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

I would agree with this. Though tempermentally I’m firmly in the liberal camp, I also think that a healthy two party system is overall good for the country, and helps check excesses by one side.

However, this is a tempest of their own making. By moving further and further right, the GOP is making the same mistakes the Democrats did a generation earlier. The problem is not in their appeal to their base (after all, where is their base likely to go?), it’s in their appeal to the moderates. By moving further and further right, they alienate the moderates which eventually decide who governs.

I think the GOP have started believing their own kool-aid – their belief that their beliefs are the only ones that make any sense, and therefore that their loss of power is due to not following their ideology rigidly enough. They seem to believe that becoming MORE conservative is the answer, and that will draw people back to them.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

I would agree with this. Though tempermentally I’m firmly in the liberal camp, I also think that a healthy two party system is overall good for the country, and helps check excesses by one side.

However, this is a tempest of their own making. By moving further and further right, the GOP is making the same mistakes the Democrats did a generation earlier. The problem is not in their appeal to their base (after all, where is their base likely to go?), it’s in their appeal to the moderates. By moving further and further right, they alienate the moderates which eventually decide who governs.

I think the GOP have started believing their own kool-aid – their belief that their beliefs are the only ones that make any sense, and therefore that their loss of power is due to not following their ideology rigidly enough. They seem to believe that becoming MORE conservative is the answer, and that will draw people back to them.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

I would agree with this. Though tempermentally I’m firmly in the liberal camp, I also think that a healthy two party system is overall good for the country, and helps check excesses by one side.

However, this is a tempest of their own making. By moving further and further right, the GOP is making the same mistakes the Democrats did a generation earlier. The problem is not in their appeal to their base (after all, where is their base likely to go?), it’s in their appeal to the moderates. By moving further and further right, they alienate the moderates which eventually decide who governs.

I think the GOP have started believing their own kool-aid – their belief that their beliefs are the only ones that make any sense, and therefore that their loss of power is due to not following their ideology rigidly enough. They seem to believe that becoming MORE conservative is the answer, and that will draw people back to them.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

I would agree with this. Though tempermentally I’m firmly in the liberal camp, I also think that a healthy two party system is overall good for the country, and helps check excesses by one side.

However, this is a tempest of their own making. By moving further and further right, the GOP is making the same mistakes the Democrats did a generation earlier. The problem is not in their appeal to their base (after all, where is their base likely to go?), it’s in their appeal to the moderates. By moving further and further right, they alienate the moderates which eventually decide who governs.

I think the GOP have started believing their own kool-aid – their belief that their beliefs are the only ones that make any sense, and therefore that their loss of power is due to not following their ideology rigidly enough. They seem to believe that becoming MORE conservative is the answer, and that will draw people back to them.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

I would agree with this. Though tempermentally I’m firmly in the liberal camp, I also think that a healthy two party system is overall good for the country, and helps check excesses by one side.

However, this is a tempest of their own making. By moving further and further right, the GOP is making the same mistakes the Democrats did a generation earlier. The problem is not in their appeal to their base (after all, where is their base likely to go?), it’s in their appeal to the moderates. By moving further and further right, they alienate the moderates which eventually decide who governs.

I think the GOP have started believing their own kool-aid – their belief that their beliefs are the only ones that make any sense, and therefore that their loss of power is due to not following their ideology rigidly enough. They seem to believe that becoming MORE conservative is the answer, and that will draw people back to them.

[Bob]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote. [/quote]

Oh please….

Although I’m not a member of either party, I do follow politics closely. The fact is, Arlen Specter didn’t leave the republicans after 45 years because of the right wing influence. Rather, he left the party to save his own ass. Recent polls showed Specter well behind his republican challenger in the 2010 primary. And the reason he is well behind in the polls is due to his support for the bailouts and other big government interventionist programs. In 2010 there will be a huge opportunity for the republicans to regain congress if they start acting like responsible fiscal conservatives. The reason republicans lost control of congress in 2006 was due to their lack of fiscal contraint, as well as their interventionist foreign policy which turned sour in Iraq.

If anything, the republicans became the big government party they so often campaigned against.

[Bob]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote. [/quote]

Oh please….

Although I’m not a member of either party, I do follow politics closely. The fact is, Arlen Specter didn’t leave the republicans after 45 years because of the right wing influence. Rather, he left the party to save his own ass. Recent polls showed Specter well behind his republican challenger in the 2010 primary. And the reason he is well behind in the polls is due to his support for the bailouts and other big government interventionist programs. In 2010 there will be a huge opportunity for the republicans to regain congress if they start acting like responsible fiscal conservatives. The reason republicans lost control of congress in 2006 was due to their lack of fiscal contraint, as well as their interventionist foreign policy which turned sour in Iraq.

If anything, the republicans became the big government party they so often campaigned against.

[Bob]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote. [/quote]

Oh please….

Although I’m not a member of either party, I do follow politics closely. The fact is, Arlen Specter didn’t leave the republicans after 45 years because of the right wing influence. Rather, he left the party to save his own ass. Recent polls showed Specter well behind his republican challenger in the 2010 primary. And the reason he is well behind in the polls is due to his support for the bailouts and other big government interventionist programs. In 2010 there will be a huge opportunity for the republicans to regain congress if they start acting like responsible fiscal conservatives. The reason republicans lost control of congress in 2006 was due to their lack of fiscal contraint, as well as their interventionist foreign policy which turned sour in Iraq.

If anything, the republicans became the big government party they so often campaigned against.

[Bob]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote. [/quote]

Oh please….

Although I’m not a member of either party, I do follow politics closely. The fact is, Arlen Specter didn’t leave the republicans after 45 years because of the right wing influence. Rather, he left the party to save his own ass. Recent polls showed Specter well behind his republican challenger in the 2010 primary. And the reason he is well behind in the polls is due to his support for the bailouts and other big government interventionist programs. In 2010 there will be a huge opportunity for the republicans to regain congress if they start acting like responsible fiscal conservatives. The reason republicans lost control of congress in 2006 was due to their lack of fiscal contraint, as well as their interventionist foreign policy which turned sour in Iraq.

If anything, the republicans became the big government party they so often campaigned against.

[Bob]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote. [/quote]

Oh please….

Although I’m not a member of either party, I do follow politics closely. The fact is, Arlen Specter didn’t leave the republicans after 45 years because of the right wing influence. Rather, he left the party to save his own ass. Recent polls showed Specter well behind his republican challenger in the 2010 primary. And the reason he is well behind in the polls is due to his support for the bailouts and other big government interventionist programs. In 2010 there will be a huge opportunity for the republicans to regain congress if they start acting like responsible fiscal conservatives. The reason republicans lost control of congress in 2006 was due to their lack of fiscal contraint, as well as their interventionist foreign policy which turned sour in Iraq.

If anything, the republicans became the big government party they so often campaigned against.

[partypup]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

Possibility #3: The recession/depression doesn’t end in 2011 and instead deepens. Obama is credited for worsening a downturn that could have been “fixed” by the GOP. Fingers will point to profligate spending and a series of failed bailouts/stimulus packages that eventually lead to a massive devaluation of the dollar and runaway, Carter-style inflation.

The GOP easily takes back the White House in 2012, re-claiming OH, FL and MI, which have been royally hammered by the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies and the housing collapse. Unfortunately for the GOP, the crisis worsens, and it soon becomes clear to everyone that they are just as inept at solving the crisis as Obama was.

The Dems look poised to take back the White House in 2016 — until Americans finally wake the hell up and realize that they are in the middle of a second great depression caused by the incompetence and greed of both parties – who have played voters like suckers on this see saw for the better part of the past century.

Revolution to follow.

[partypup]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

Possibility #3: The recession/depression doesn’t end in 2011 and instead deepens. Obama is credited for worsening a downturn that could have been “fixed” by the GOP. Fingers will point to profligate spending and a series of failed bailouts/stimulus packages that eventually lead to a massive devaluation of the dollar and runaway, Carter-style inflation.

The GOP easily takes back the White House in 2012, re-claiming OH, FL and MI, which have been royally hammered by the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies and the housing collapse. Unfortunately for the GOP, the crisis worsens, and it soon becomes clear to everyone that they are just as inept at solving the crisis as Obama was.

The Dems look poised to take back the White House in 2016 — until Americans finally wake the hell up and realize that they are in the middle of a second great depression caused by the incompetence and greed of both parties – who have played voters like suckers on this see saw for the better part of the past century.

Revolution to follow.

[partypup]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

Possibility #3: The recession/depression doesn’t end in 2011 and instead deepens. Obama is credited for worsening a downturn that could have been “fixed” by the GOP. Fingers will point to profligate spending and a series of failed bailouts/stimulus packages that eventually lead to a massive devaluation of the dollar and runaway, Carter-style inflation.

The GOP easily takes back the White House in 2012, re-claiming OH, FL and MI, which have been royally hammered by the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies and the housing collapse. Unfortunately for the GOP, the crisis worsens, and it soon becomes clear to everyone that they are just as inept at solving the crisis as Obama was.

The Dems look poised to take back the White House in 2016 — until Americans finally wake the hell up and realize that they are in the middle of a second great depression caused by the incompetence and greed of both parties – who have played voters like suckers on this see saw for the better part of the past century.

Revolution to follow.

[partypup]

[quote=ocrenter]no, the demise of the GOP is definitely not a good thing.

moderates will continue their exit, leaving the party firmly and fully in the Christian Right. The Christian Right GOP will pick Palin for 2012, Obama wins 70% of the popular vote.

Two possibilities after the 2012 landslide:

#1. moderate Republicans regroup and form a new party of the center. GOP stays and linger on as a fringe party.

#2. moderate Republicans retake the party after the complete collapse, re-establishing the two party system. [/quote]

Possibility #3: The recession/depression doesn’t end in 2011 and instead deepens. Obama is credited for worsening a downturn that could have been “fixed” by the GOP. Fingers will point to profligate spending and a series of failed bailouts/stimulus packages that eventually lead to a massive devaluation of the dollar and runaway, Carter-style inflation.

The GOP easily takes back the White House in 2012, re-claiming OH, FL and MI, which have been royally hammered by the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies and the housing collapse. Unfortunately for the GOP, the crisis worsens, and it soon becomes clear to everyone that they are just as inept at solving the crisis as Obama was.

The Dems look poised to take back the White House in 2016 — until Americans finally wake the hell up and realize that they are in the middle of a second great depression caused by the incompetence and greed of both parties – who have played voters like suckers on this see saw for the better part of the past century.

Revolution to follow.

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